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Helen Axe Lied

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Gareth Penn’s Radian Theory:

Penn was convinced that the radian clue provided a window into the Zodiac’s mind, methods and codes.Like many before him, Penn noticed that some of the crime scenes were near water, or had names that alluded to water – RIVERside, LAKE Herman Road, Blue Rock SPRINGS, LAKE Berryessa, and finally, the strained, WASHington and Cherry Streets in San Francisco (Penn also pointed out that a fire hydrant sits on this block). This pattern convinced Penn that the Zodiac’s name may have some connection to water.

https://zodiackillerfacts.com/zodiac-th … ael-ohare/

Meaning of surname Axe:

Axe is a locational surname which is of Olde English, pre 10th century origins. It derives from the Ancient British word for a river "Isca" which predates the Roman Invasion of 55 a.d., through the later "aesce" to the medieval "exe or axe." In effect the surname describes one who lived by the Axe Rivers in Somerset or Dorset.

http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Axe#ixzz5V5AXWihr

English: evidently a metonymic occupational name for a woodman. A further possible origin is from the French place name element Ax (etymologically identical to Aix), from Latin aquis (dative or ablative plural) ‘near the waters’, denoting a spa. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/name-origin?surname=axe

Tom Axe’s Navy background fits with a knowledge of ciphers and radians.

 
Posted : October 27, 2018 3:25 am
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Interesting find. Didn’t know you could marry at 15 in America? Very strange.

Marriageable age is usually 18. Most states allow younger people to marry with parental and/or judicial consent. That’s pretty common around the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age

In 2010, 158 countries reported that 18 years was the minimum legal age for marriage for women without parental consent or approval by a pertinent authority. However, in 146 countries, state or customary law allows girls younger than 18 to marry with the consent of parents or other authorities; in 52 countries, girls under age 15 can marry with parental consent. In contrast, 18 is the legal age for marriage without consent among males in 180 countries. Additionally, in 105 countries, boys can marry with the consent of a parent or a pertinent authority, and in 23 countries, boys under age 15 can marry with parental consent.

England and Wales: 16 with parental consent or the permission of the court.[213]

Scotland: 16[214]

Northern Ireland: 16 with parental consent (with the court able to give consent in some cases).[215]

Zodiac was a screwup. He left behind five breathing victims, two survivors, bootprints, possibly fingerprints and palmprints, tiretracks, eyewitnesses, and earwitnesses. If the APB had gone out for a WMA he would have been locked up in ’69.

 
Posted : October 27, 2018 4:06 am
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A more subtle clue is tOm aXe. You can make a Celtic cross with the bold.

A E
MOT

Easy to derive Tom Axe from this cipher (Zodiac symbol representing X and O).

 
Posted : October 27, 2018 5:54 pm
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Regarding radians, don’t forget they rely upon an Axis.

 
Posted : October 27, 2018 9:59 pm
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If Helen did tell the police they were just boyfriend/girlfriend, as opposed to married, then that is certainly suspect.

What difference would it make though. ?

Why say "my boyfriend" in reference to your husband? Makes no sense.

I agree, but what would be the point?


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : October 27, 2018 10:02 pm
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I got the info from Ancestry.com.

Was it from an actual copy of the marriage certificate or just a date entered into their info?

 
Posted : October 28, 2018 3:51 am
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It was the California Marriage registrar 26 Aug 1965 in Solano County.

 
Posted : October 28, 2018 4:22 am
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Tom Axe was convicted of drunk driving in 1991. More notably, he was 5 foot 11. https://arrestfacts.com/Thomas-Axe-3C445

He also donated to a NASA project called Stardust (so he is involved in at least one Zodiac…) https://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/overview/ … amesa.html

 
Posted : October 28, 2018 4:53 am
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Nice find Jacob

 
Posted : October 28, 2018 5:27 am
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Jacob asked;
"Why say "my boyfriend" in reference to your husband? Makes no sense."

Perhaps seen against the background of some uncertainty in the civil vs criminal laws at the time,
Mrs Axe may have simply been trying to be cautious not to get her husband into trouble, or may
have simply been operating out of ‘previously established conversational habit’ – I think it’s
possible that 15 year old girls who state in conversation that they are married to someone
(even if true under civil law), would tend to raise some eyebrows – so by 18 years old when she
made her statement, she may have had an established habit of saying ‘my boyfriend’ rather than
‘husband’.

E.G. , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_c … ted_States

Even if that isn’t the reason, there are other good possible reasons – for instance, military
personnel fall under the additional set of military laws – possibly her husband may have neglected
to previously obtain the ‘permission of his commanding officer to marry’ and for sure any serviceman
who was a U.S. "Navy Missile Fire Control Technician" would have security clearance requirements that
may include the requirement to inform the Service of exactly when and who you have married, so
technically he could have been in breach of some military law, back at the time of the actual marriage.

 
Posted : October 28, 2018 6:35 am
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It was the California Marriage registrar 26 Aug 1965 in Solano County.

Excuse my obtuseness but does that mean it was an actual copy of the marriage certificate.

 
Posted : October 28, 2018 6:41 am
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I wondered if religious conviction had a role in the young couple’s marriage. This might make a young wife proud to refer to her "husband" (late 60s was revolutionary but more traditional than today). Would knowledge of a marriage make it easier for police to trace a POI back then?

Even if there is an innocuous explanation for the "boyfriend" quote, Tom Axe’s resemblance to the composites, military background, possible clues in water-linked radians, "My Name Is" cipher, Mikado references remain compelling.

 
Posted : October 28, 2018 6:45 am
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Tom’s tour was over in 1969.

By tour do you mean Vietnam?

 
Posted : October 28, 2018 11:10 pm
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No, sorry I just meant his four years.

 
Posted : October 29, 2018 12:45 am
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Also the question of Why, or What Would Be the Reason to Lie, answers itself.

Why lie about anything to the police? I don’t know why you lied but you lied.

You take your Husbands last name, but allow the police to call you Miss Axe. You call him your boyfriend and tell a different story about the car position then any other witness.

Where you with another man, parked out on the road for privacy?

If so, now you give a bit of motive to your husband.

Or was the boyfriend, your husband and he wanted to be able to give a False name and address to the police?

Either way you speculate, you can’t speculate that she lied and lying to the police during a double murder investigation of 2 teenagers is very very very suspect.

 
Posted : October 29, 2018 1:02 am
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