So Zodiac copied it, except he neglected to write the word "Death" four times.

That is not copying.

Also, I’ve seen a bunch of death wheels and I guess you haven’t. They all have similarities. So does that means they all copied each other?

We don’t even know that Zodiac intended what he wrote to be a death wheel; it certainly doesn’t resemble a death wheel. I think he just wanted to create that general shape (like he did with "sorry no cipher") and list various ways he wants us to believe he is killing people.

So, the exact four, and only four, methods, with the word "By" in front of each, isn’t "anything?"

When there are direct, irrefutable similarities, between the comic book illustration and halloween card, the obvious similarities are dismissed. When the entire LB attack is completely different from the 3 Zodiac shootings, the differences are dismissed.

The proposition includes the Red Ryder symbology (cattle branding) in the card as well as the death wheel.

Meaning you have Tim Holt + Red Ryder references in the one card.

That’s what has never been repeated.

Showing one half of that elsewhere without the other half is basically only half an argument.

That is why other interpretations are not as convincing.

The proposition includes the Red Ryder symbology (cattle branding) in the card as well as the death wheel.

Please show the Holt cattle branding vs the assumed Zodiac cattle branding. Thanks.

No Zodiac cattle branding to show me?

The proposition includes the Red Ryder symbology (cattle branding) in the card as well as the death wheel.

Meaning you have Tim Holt + Red Ryder references in the one card.

That’s what has never been repeated.

Nonsense.

It’s an assumption that what Zodiac wrote in the Halloween card was inspired by any death wheel, let alone from a Tim Holt comic. Zodiac didn’t create a death wheel, he wrote some words. And what Zodiac wrote was not "copying" what was on the cover of that Holt comic, just like the cattle brand was not "copied" into the Halloween card. Apparently you don’t understand what the word "copied" means. Copied means there aren’t any differences. If there are differences, then while there may be similarities, it is ridiculous to conclude it was copied with certainty. I’m surprised an important scientist like you doesn’t understand that.

Seems a fair and interesting assumption that by knife etc was inspired from Holt or certainly from comic books at that time. zodiac adopted and adapted various pieces of media and materials around him regularly all the time.it’s hardly out of character is it?

Tom your message comes across as very unpleasant and aggravational. Dont know if that was the intention but seems unnecessary.

Thought tahoe’s holt find was a good one and nicely presented. Good stuff.

Thought tahoe’s holt find was a good one and nicely presented. Good stuff.

Yes, but we aren’t discussing Tahoe’s find, we are discussing where BDHOLLAND went with that find.

Death wheels were all over pop culture back then. To say Zodiac was inspired specifically by the Holt comic is nothing but a guess. Also, again, Zodiac did not create a death wheel, he wrote some words. And what Zodiac wrote was different than what appeared on the Holt comic, so that means it was not copied.

BDHOLLAND has taken mere possibilities, and turned them into certainties. It’s even more obnoxious with the "I’m a scientist" garbage thrown in our faces. There is nothing scientific about looking at clouds and opining it looks like an ice cream cone.

I’m really fed of this forum descending into infighting, and I’m not taking sides in any of this.

I’m really fed of this forum descending into infighting, and I’m not taking sides in any of this.

To be fair, let’s go to the source: It started when DBHOLLAND chose to be dishonest again — viewtopic.php?f=29&t=4937

I’m sure since my posts are now being blocked, there will be no more of that.

I’m really fed of this forum descending into infighting, and I’m not taking sides in any of this.

Sorry, but if BDHolland thinks he can makes serious false allegations, theft, posing as a police officer, and we’re just going to forget about it he’d better think again. He can shut us up by providing the proof he’s been asked for multiple times but he can’t, because it’s all a lie.

No one had said anything to him for over four months, but he hates to be ignored so he came up with a load of crap to spew. Well, he got our attention again, though I’m not sure he likes it.

I’m really fed of this forum descending into infighting, and I’m not taking sides in any of this.

Sorry, but if BDHolland thinks he can makes serious false allegations, theft, posing as a police officer, and we’re just going to forget about it he’d better think again. He can shut us up by providing the proof he’s been asked for multiple times but he can’t, because it’s all a lie.

No one had said anything to him for over four months, but he hates to be ignored so he came up with a load of crap to spew. Well, he got our attention again, though I’m not sure he likes it.

I agree with the problem of infighting and think it’s a good idea not to take sides when that takes off. This isn’t zk.com or Reddit when Doc is away. Yet they bring it here because they don’t respect the rules.

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. I said nothing about your claims. This all started up again because TV and some pals got called out to reference and quote something they couldn’t. viewtopic.php?f=29&t=4937

Instead of saying "I don’t have a quote or reference" you get all this instead. God help anyone that asks you to reference. It be will pages of anything but that.

I have no clue who you are on zk.com because I don’t care. I just see the rehash of the same stuff you can’t source, can’t reference all because you are very upset I am working on this POI. Oh and God help anyone that puts out a book which you had no hand in. Like anyone.

You are the source of your speculation. You can’t reference anything but yourself. All you have is a dead link and yourself and TV then going into interrogation mode asking me to prove things for you. That’s your case. Even on this website you are the source of all this. It is nowhere else to be found except coming from this small section of team TV that is constantly seeking to be offended. In fact your claim is nowhere to be found on the whole internet.

I am putting you back on ignore also. You don’t source or reference anyone but yourself. This is a fact.

This is all that matters to me and those who bother actually thinking about these victims from time to time and less about themselves all the time.

Take a good look. It’s all that matters. All that matters.

BDHOLLAND: "This isn’t zk.com or Reddit when Doc is away. Yet they bring it here because they don’t respect the rules."

Please link me to "the rules." Thanks.

This all started up again because TV and some pals got called out to reference and quote something they couldn’t.

That was to reference and quote you claiming to be a scientist. And Chauncer did just that: https://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic. … ist#p79919

I know you want the mods to make this go away (morf is a big boy and he can piledrive me if he wants), but you’re a liar and a fraud and the Internet won’t forget that.

There’s two direct quotes from BDHolland where he calls himself a scientist, yet he still denies he said it. This is the crap that got everyone exasperated at him in the thread at Tom’s forum. Presented with direct evidence he still denies and gets salty about it.

What it all boils down to is, he thought he was going to be the newest, biggest thing in Zodiacdom and is throwing a temper tantrum because his BS got shot down. He presents a bunch of weak BS and gets mad when it gets refuted. Like his suspect worked at a place that sold wide boots, but then some quick researched showed that was a line of tires called "wide boots", not footwear. Or that his suspect liked to fish for salmon so he must have went to Lake Berreyessa to fish for them, but then was shown LB wasn’t stocked with salmon until the 1990’s so then it’s "well, they have trout and trout is a salmonoid". He can’t just say, well, maybe I was wrong.

Then four months after anyone had said a damned word to him he starts making false accusations that we conspired to steal his work by posing as a police officer. How anyone would even know about his work until he published his book, started a web site and started threads with all the information all at the same time he can’t explain.

He keeps saying "the mods told you", well, the mods haven’t told me anything, but they can boot me anytime they want. They know, and everyone who posts here knows I’ve never had any trouble with anyone here, except BDHOlland and his false accusations about my character. That I will not take lying down.

referencing a Tim Holt juvenile comic book

When did Zodiac do such a thing?

I believe on the greeting card