Hi Thomas

<Speculation is that CJB and CS knew each other quite well in Riverside, that being "one strand" that begins to link the two crimes.>

Really?

Pipe dream…

Did Thomas Horan ever work as a caregiver for an elder care agency?

Heard him in some crime podcast a year back. Dude tries to talk smarter then he is. After that I wouldn’t read any of his books! Not to mention his far out theories!

Hi Thomas

Haha great post.

I think Horan’s theories are possible and I do like the idea that Zodiac was a character created to draw attention away from other crimes. The problem with his ideas is that he states opinions/theories as facts and does not back them up with any evidence.

…….Zodiac was a character created to draw attention away from other crimes.

I’ve not read or heard anything from this Horan. Could you elaborate more on the topic above.

Thanks

I think Horan’s theories are possible and I do like the idea that Zodiac was a character created to draw attention away from other crimes. The problem with his ideas is that he states opinions/theories as facts and does not back them up with any evidence.

Yes, I too believe Horan’s theories are possible, and yet improbable !! As you say, where is his evidence ? An example is his assertion that "Hal Snooks" hand printing is the closest ever match to some of Zodiac’s letters, and yet he does not mention which credible experts have asserted that.

But, of course, it is in my mind also improbable that a single serial killer would be responsible for four (or five if we include Riverside) such diverse crimes, when comparing the different MO’s. However, if it were possible to first link at least two of the crimes, then we would have an incredible breakthrough. Obviously LHR and BRS do seem to be similar MO’s, and also Riverside and LB have similarities. This would be especially so if it were proven that Cheri Jo Bates and Cecelia Shepard were actually friendly with one another in Riverside during 1966. Anyway, food for thought.

…….Zodiac was a character created to draw attention away from other crimes.

I’ve not read or heard anything from this Horan. Could you elaborate more on the topic above.

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Please read earlier posts within this "thread". We are referring to the author of three Zodiac Hoax books, by the name of Thomas Henry Horan.

…….Zodiac was a character created to draw attention away from other crimes.

I’ve not read or heard anything from this Horan. Could you elaborate more on the topic above.

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Please read earlier posts within this "thread". We are referring to the author of three Zodiac Hoax books, by the name of Thomas Henry Horan.

I understand "who" is being discussed. I would like to know more about what was quoted.

Thanks

Horan shouldn’t be calling it a "hoax" because to me that is like saying the murders never happened. I’ll have to read his work again, but I got the feeling like he was trying to say that Zodiac was a character rather than one person that was a serial killer. I do like that idea and have thought about that and why someone would create such a character. It could be to draw attention from a drug ring, or it could be a collaboration between a group of killers and is some sort of game. I’m very tired at the moment so I am sure that I am not explaining my line of thinking so that it is understandable haha. Maybe I will try again when I am rested up a bit. But the hooded character seems like something out of a movie.

Well, THH never denies that the murders actually took place. His theory, however, is that he does NOT believe a single serial killer performed all of the murders. He further believes that a deliberate "fabrication, or hoax" was carefully constructed to persuade everyone that it was, in fact, a single perp. Zodiac. He reiterates that the original few letters from "Zodiac" began the fabrication, and were actually written by a law enforcement officer "Hal Snook". For whatever reason, Snook eventually stops writing the letters and someone else "runs with" the letter writing, all the time trying to reinforce the legend of Zodiac. THH’s evidence, is that Snook’s hand printing is the very closest match to the first few Zodiac letters, but then the hand printing drastically changes with later Zodiac missives.

The above is how THH starts off his Hoax books, but personally, after reading them all I am not convinced with his theories. His notion is like one of those "conspiracy theories" that needs a multitude of people conspiring with each other for it to work, I find it improbable !!

Horan’s theory could hold a little water if he put out a one page summary of his findings. Instead he ruins all his credibility because his entire online/podcast world has turned into a HUGE conspiracy theory line of thinking. Instead of just showing proof that some of the cases had really good potential suspects but the police/media and a civilian troll created the Zodiac, Horan takes it all 20 levels deeper of conspiracy. He once posted that the letters to the newspapers were actually coded to send secret messages from the "zodiac" to his military friends across the country. And he is now stating that he has found the Madeleine McCann, Jack the RIpper was a Hoax, Hillary Clinton runs the youth sex trafficking ring, etc, etc, etc,

I think his heart was in the right place when he started investigating the police reports and finding evidence that didn’t quite match up with what the general public thought. But then – for some reason – his ego started to grow and grow and he started fancying himself as being a "leader" in the crime sleuthing world. If you listen to his podcast he acts like he’s getting millions of views/listens and how it’s blowing up more than he expected. Dude didn’t realize that even when amateur teenagers do a shitty crime podcast on the zodiac they get tens of thousands of views/listens