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Jarlve
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Not sure where to post this but I found this voluntary statement in the FBI files: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UWvDj … 0kVueof1iZ

Some officer wrote this statement down as indicated by "… stated to me … that he and his". The wording "victom" is used twice.

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Posted : May 1, 2018 2:20 pm
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And it does not say “Deer Lodge.” It doe read ‘from’ Colorado and ‘to Mexico.’

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Posted : May 1, 2018 5:55 pm
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I am not sure if the statement was written by a police officer.

(omitted name) stated to me (omitted name) that he and his girl friend were on shore of Lake Berryessa
A man came up with hood over face and hand pointed pistol at them and tied them up
Victom state that man with gun said he EX con from Colorado and was on his way to Mexico at this time
Hooded man started stabing him and the girl
Victom stated that the hooded man pistol was an automatic

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Posted : May 1, 2018 7:31 pm
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And it does not say “Deer Lodge.” It doe read ‘from’ Colorado and ‘to Mexico.’

What does that mean bmichelle? I am not very familiar with the details of the Lake Berryessa attack.

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Posted : May 1, 2018 7:33 pm
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To me, this appears to be written by Ranger Sgt. William White – first on the scene, arriving by ski boat.

The day after the attack, Narlow and Lonerghan interviewed Ranger Sgt. White at Park HQ "as to his activities "before and during his part in locating the victims the night before."
http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport6.html

Sounds like Narlow and Lonerghan want to know who was up to what, and where, when the couple were attacked – even this Park Ranger. Good!

Now… who’s gonna tell Thomas Horan about this particular "victom" spelling?

 
Posted : May 1, 2018 8:27 pm
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Jarlve

I am not much of a researcher, if I am not mistaken I thought Berryessa was were the ‘suspect’ said he was from ‘Deer Lodge Montana’ or heading to Deer Lodge.

There has been much talk about it on different posts/threads.

I am not sure where the topics are at the moment.

Deer Lodge has been discussed with Ted K though.

There is so much information with this case I sometimes get the facts confused.
I guess the susspect may not have said
Dear Lodge.

From TOM’s Site http://www.zodiackiller.com/ShepardHartnell.html

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Posted : May 1, 2018 8:35 pm
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The statement could be from the park ranger that operated the station. The 2 "LOG OF STATION" documents in the FBI files both have the wording "stabing" as it appears in the statement also.

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Posted : May 1, 2018 8:39 pm
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To me, this appears to be written by Ranger Sgt. William White – first on the scene, arriving by ski boat.

The day after the attack, Narlow and Lonerghan interviewed Ranger Sgt. White at Park HQ "as to his activities "before and during his part in locating the victims the night before."
http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport6.html

Sounds like Narlow and Lonerghan want to know who was up to what, and where, when the couple were attacked – even this Park Ranger. Good!

If I am correct about the statement being from the station operation it could not have been from Sgt. William White since he was on patrol.

Now… who’s gonna tell Thomas Horan about this particular "victom" spelling?

What does it have to do with Thomas Horan? I know he has a Zodiac hoax series on Youtube.

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Posted : May 1, 2018 8:45 pm
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If I am correct about the statement being from the station operation it could not have been from Sgt. William White since he was on patrol.

White talked to Hartnell. The operator guy did not (AFAIK). Hartnell told White the things in that statement you posted (such as Z had an "automatic weapon").

As you, Jarlve, said above… Some officer wrote this statement down as indicated by "… stated to me … that he and his".

What does it have to do with Thomas Horan? I know he has a Zodiac hoax series on Youtube.

(i think) Horan has it that the Park Rangers were part of the grand conspiracy (along with some cops and writers at SF Chron) to create the "Zodiac" killings – when in fact(!) all the attacks were unrelated.

 
Posted : May 1, 2018 9:10 pm
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White talked to Hartnell. The operator guy did not (AFAIK). Hartnell told White the things in that statement you posted (such as Z had an "automatic weapon").

As you, Jarlve, said above… Some officer wrote this statement down as indicated by "… stated to me … that he and his".

It is possible though I am not sure anymore.

The LOG OF STATION documents appear to be filled out by the same person who made the voluntary statement in question because they both use wording "stabing". Also, in the LOG OF STATION the fields "called by" and "operator there" are filled out with a "B" @ 7:00. I am assuming that may stand for Bill White. But is Bill White, Sgt. William White?

There is another voluntary statement in the FBI files concerning Lake Berryessa but that is clearly from the Chinese fisherman.

I am picking up on the information provided by Thomas Horan.

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Posted : May 1, 2018 10:04 pm
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There were two different White’s involved that evening.

Not a "B" though. Archie and his wife Elizabeth: http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport6.html


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : May 1, 2018 10:23 pm
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White talked to Hartnell. The operator guy did not (AFAIK). Hartnell told White the things in that statement you posted (such as Z had an "automatic weapon").

As you, Jarlve, said above… Some officer wrote this statement down as indicated by "… stated to me … that he and his".

It is possible though I am not sure anymore.

The LOG OF STATION documents appear to be filled out by the same person who made the voluntary statement in question because they both use wording "stabing". Also, in the LOG OF STATION the fields "called by" and "operator there" are filled out with a "B" @ 7:00. I am assuming that may stand for Bill White. But is Bill White, Sgt. William White?

There is another voluntary statement in the FBI files concerning Lake Berryessa but that is clearly from the Chinese fisherman.

I am picking up on the information provided by Thomas Horan.

Interesting find Jarlve. I have certainly never seen this. Looks like the "JM" wrote it…not White, but if you consider the other statement …it is odd.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : May 1, 2018 10:30 pm
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It’s pretty clear (to me) from paragraph 1 of http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport7.html that it’s the Voluntary Statement of Ranger Sgt William White…

… BUT I do concede that it’s entirely possible (and quite likely) that while White dictated it, the other guy (or another person) wrote it down though… and misspelled victim "victom".

White may have even radioed his statement in from the scene, while fresh in his mind for the other guy to write down, and for White to later sign.

Voluntary statement FBI file found by Jarlve (good find!):
"REDACTED (Hartnell?) stated to me REDACTED(White?) that he and his girlfriend…"
then:
""…victim state man with gun said he (?) ex con from Colorado on his way to Mexico…"

Hartnell said to White (in White’s interview w/Narlow in Napa report next day):
Z stated, "he was an ex con out of Colorado and en route to Mexico"

 
Posted : May 1, 2018 10:55 pm
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Interesting find Jarlve. I have certainly never seen this. Looks like the "JM" wrote it…not White, but if you consider the other statement …it is odd.

I suppose this "JM" was the person that overheard all radio communications. Both the LOG OF STATION documents and voluntary statement use "stabing" but the handwriting is kind of different. I would say that it is more likely that these documents have different authors taking all things in consideration.

The LOG OF STATION documents have "stabing", "stabed", "robed".

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Posted : May 1, 2018 11:08 pm
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It’s pretty clear (to me) from paragraph 1 of http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport7.html that it’s the Voluntary Statement of Ranger Sgt William White…

That is a very good point. I agree now.

… BUT I do concede that it’s entirely possible (and quite likely) that while White dictated it, the other guy (or another person) wrote it down though… and misspelled victim "victom".

White may have even radioed his statement in from the scene, while fresh in his mind for the other guy to write down, and for White to later sign.

Possible, though there are already 2 different writing styles on the voluntary statement. The header and bottom are filled in by one person and the statement by another. Not impossible of course.

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Posted : May 1, 2018 11:15 pm
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