It can still be read via the Wayback Machine:

http://crack-proof.com/zodiac-killer /”> http://web.archive.org/web/201603180029 … ac-killer/

Here’s a thread about it:

viewtopic.php?t=1759&p=20886

I still don’t know who ran it though.

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I was looking at this site on Wayback yesterday and found it interesting. I had never seen it before that I can recall. I am left to wonder, however, what the source was of those marks on the Little List letter. There are several marks on those pages and they all APPEAR to have been made by the same writing instrument. I always thought that the semi-circles were marks made to denote areas of possible fingerprints. I wonder if those marks were actually there on the original letters before processing or not.

The discussions of spelling errors and of Gregg shorthand are thought provoking. Sorry this got taken down. Wish I could read more….

Mike

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The one annoying thing about this site is that they do all this complex math to prove that Betty Lou was only seven or eight feet behind the car but if you just look at photos of the scene, like the one with Butterbach and Lundblad from the next day, you can see that she was much farther behind the car than that.

Mike

The Crackproof.com website was 100% correct. Betty Lou was 8-9 feet from the rear taillight of the Rambler. I will ask you 2 questions Mike.
1. Which way was the Rambler facing
2. Which direction were Betty Lou Jensen’s feet facing

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The car was facing Benicia. Her feet were facing west, like the letter said. Have you looked at photos from that night? There is one from This is The Zodiac Speaking that shows the car facing east. I don’t see any hint in the photos that she was that close to the car. Can you direct me to a photo that proves that the photos below are misleading?

Go to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI0jnsbZwys

Look at the photo at 4:12. The car is clearly facing Benicia and it has not been moved, since we can see the bloodstain from where David had laid on the ground. The guy in the background with the flashlight over his head is presumably looking at the spot where Betty Lou was. Looks like more than eight feet to me.

http://pseudocognitive.blogspot.com/201 … ry-of.html

Does Russ look like he is eight feet from where the rear of the car would be? My sense is no.

How did the police take a tape measure, go eight feet from the rear bumper and say it was 28 feet? Were they that incompetent?

Mike

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OK. But did you look at the photo at 4:12 on the video like I provided above? The fence along the bank is visible in the background and this makes it look like the car is facing east, not southeast, right?

Can we agree that the officers in the background behind the station wagon, including the guy with the flashlight over his head, are likely parked near BLJ’s body? If so, does that seem like about 10 feet to you? That is my problem.

Mike

If the Rambler is facing east to Benicia as stated in the police reports and Betty Lou Jensen’s feet were facing west, they would be on the same axis.

I think we are talking generalities, not specifics. Betty Lou’s feet were to the west, and the car was in an "Easterly direction". What is your concern UK? (asking genuinely…not sarcastically )

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Here is another point-of-view. The officer in the background is standing where BLJ was found: http://zodiackiller.com/HermanCrimeScene.html

Another thing to note is the artist rendition of the crime scene. Note the distance from David’s head to the furthest bullet casing. It shows 20′. BLJ’s distance is further than that: http://www.zodiackiller.com/LHRPR5.html

It’s been talked about a lot, this I know. I didn’t think it took that great of a marksman to shoot 10′, but if it was closer to 28’…that is some skill. Could just be they meant 28′ from David. There were goofs all over the place.

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The position that is being debated here is whether the police took a tape measure and were off by 180% in measuring the distance BLJ was from the car: 10 feet vs. 28 feet. While somewhat academic, since she is still lying somewhere on the ground in the turnout, the authors of this POV have stated that it has implications for Z’s accuracy with a gun, since BLJ was closer to the shooter than previously thought throughout the entire shooting (i.e., at a maximum of 10 feet).

I also believe that my eyes say the car was virtually parallel with the road facing Benicia. I believe the other position is that the car was facing more towards the southeast in the direction of Mt. D.

Mike

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I was looking at this site on Wayback yesterday and found it interesting. I had never seen it before that I can recall. I am left to wonder, however, what the source was of those marks on the Little List letter. There are several marks on those pages and they all APPEAR to have been made by the same writing instrument. I always thought that the semi-circles were marks made to denote areas of possible fingerprints. I wonder if those marks were actually there on the original letters before processing or not.

The discussions of spelling errors and of Gregg shorthand are thought provoking. Sorry this got taken down. Wish I could read more….

Mike

Yes, the shorthand angle is thought provoking. The (poor) copy in the FBI files, however, does not seem to show any of these marks. Makes me wonder if it was LE that put them there.

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Well, that is the $64,000 question. There are other marks on those pages that look like places where someone circled possible prints, etc. There are similar marks denoting possible prints on other Z letters that look similar to the semi-circular markings on these pages that I believe also denote spots of interest for LE after Ninhydrin treatment. And all of the marks on the LL letter appear to have been made with the same writing instrument.

Mike

Agreed.

Hi-

I was looking at this site on Wayback yesterday and found it interesting. I had never seen it before that I can recall. I am left to wonder, however, what the source was of those marks on the Little List letter. There are several marks on those pages and they all APPEAR to have been made by the same writing instrument. I always thought that the semi-circles were marks made to denote areas of possible fingerprints. I wonder if those marks were actually there on the original letters before processing or not.

The discussions of spelling errors and of Gregg shorthand are thought provoking. Sorry this got taken down. Wish I could read more….

Mike

Yes, the shorthand angle is thought provoking. The (poor) copy in the FBI files, however, does not seem to show any of these marks. Makes me wonder if it was LE that put them there.

Here’s the pages that I managed to gather over the years for the little list. FWIW I was satisfied/had always assumed that the marks were made by LE as you guys have also said. Might seem criminal (no pun intended) these days but they appear to be a combination of areas of interest and sign off’s (ie all tests carried out ok to archive) etc. I left the image large so you can get a close look.

Idk the "Ring Roberts & Watch Tan" seemed to make a lot of sense on the website. I’m a little biased because I’m pretty sure my suspect would’ve learned/mastered shorthand probably around the same year. Of course there is the shorthand on the bates letters too.

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I agree with Tahoe that when we say Betty Lou’s feet were to the west, we are speaking in generalities and maybe subconsciously parroting what the letter said. Now that I am looking more carefully, don’t forget that there are two variables: either the car was not facing east or Betty Lou’s feet were not facing DUE west. Now that I look at some maps and photos, how about the possibility that her feet were facing more to the SW, not due west and the car was just south of due east? Still, I don’t think the car was facing anywhere near towards the gate.

The bigger issue for me is the distance she was behind the car regardless of compass directions.

There are simply not many good landmarks in any any one photo that allow us to appreciate everything in context. But I still feel she was farther back than 10 feet.

If you look at their diagram of the position of David’s car:

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sea … tion=click

And compare it to this photo at 4:12:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI0jnsbZwys&t=252s

…you just don’t get the sense that the car is pointed that far towards the south towards the gate. It looks fairly parallel with the road. Otherwise, it would obscure the view of the bank, which is clearly visible by the fence in the background. And if you have to rotate the car more to the east in their diagram, you have to rotate BLJ more to the SW to maintain the relationship between the two.

That is about all I have on this topic.

Mike