interesting angle with the fugitive..i had to look up the years it ran (63-67)..was Z influenced by the fugitive???..dunno at this point but a younger Z might have watched the series which shaped some beliefs (or solidified his beliefs) in his morbid mind..i do like the cat and mouse angle of the fugitive in regards to Z but the fugitive was trying to clear his name and the Z was in fact a guilty party..may be Ross had a liking for the TV series?..damn that would make you think!! and I am not a huge Ross follower (sorry morf you know i still luv ya)…really this is a good post by the bat..just makes you wonder if in the early to mid 60’s Z was a punk kid leading a normal life in the burbs and having his mind influenced and shaped for the acts he would commit in the very near future (sorry not a big fan of mental defect Z-I think the prick knew exactly what he was doing)….

I was always on the belief that Zodiac was very influenced by movies and TV. Bat is doing a going job now instead of earlier beating around the bush saying tidbits and having people guessing .Informative post lately by Bat whoever he or she is now sharing the information and hope Bat keeps up the good work. Could be a valuable member to this board!

interesting angle with the fugitive..i had to look up the years it ran (63-67)..was Z influenced by the fugitive???..dunno at this point but a younger Z might have watched the series which shaped some beliefs (or solidified his beliefs) in his morbid mind..i do like the cat and mouse angle of the fugitive in regards to Z but the fugitive was trying to clear his name and the Z was in fact a guilty party..may be Ross had a liking for the TV series?..damn that would make you think!! and I am not a huge Ross follower (sorry morf you know i still luv ya)…really this is a good post by the bat..just makes you wonder if in the early to mid 60’s Z was a punk kid leading a normal life in the burbs and having his mind influenced and shaped for the acts he would commit in the very near future (sorry not a big fan of mental defect Z-I think the prick knew exactly what he was doing)….

I was always on the belief that Zodiac was very influenced by movies and TV. Bat is doing a going job now instead of earlier beating around the bush saying tidbits and having people guessing .Informative post lately by Bat whoever he or she is now sharing the information and hope Bat keeps up the good work. Could be a valuable member to this board!

Thank you all.

Zodiac said in a letter… Talking about Toshi,
one day he will give up hunting me.
Paraphrased.

In a Fugitive episode, Kimble and a lady
had just exited a small boat and was climbing
up a small cliff and when they reached the top
he Kimble looked back and Barry Morse was rowing
right up beside their boat.

Kimble said, "will he ever give up"
Speaking about Barry.

Like Zodiac did about Toshi!
One day he will give up.

Blind Bat

Will he quit! Will he ever quit! (sic)
Fugitive… Never wave goodbye, pt2 around 5:47.

Zodiac, then he will give up.

Never wave goodbye. Pt2 around 5:44

Blind Bat

The SFPD said outright the letter mentioning Toschi was not written by Zodiac. This was in their DNA testing literature. Don’t know what they had on it, but they seemed 100% sure.

I think some of the items that are not Zodiac communiques are being compared to some of what you are sharing. It goes to show how things can simply be coincidence. Not that it isn’t interesting to look at.

The SFPD said outright the letter mentioning Toschi was not written by Zodiac. This was in their DNA testing literature. Don’t know what they had on it, but they seemed 100% sure.

I think some of the items that are not Zodiac communiques are being compared to some of what you are sharing. It goes to show how things can simply be coincidence. Not that it isn’t interesting to look at.

True, some may not be.

See how the Peek-A-Boo ad started snowballing
and has gotten bigger as it travels down hill.
Even I had not seen some of these other
Peek-A-Boo ads.

But by posting my find, it opened up other
possibilities and poster teamed in, by posting
there golden finds.

This is what your forum wants is it not?
Team effort?

What is insignificant to one person might
be just the thing that cracks the case.
One mans junk is another mans treasure!

And like I stated yesterday, LE has there
unseen to the public evidence, and we have
our unseen evidence which they have not seen.

So by giving up some of our coincidence,
(circumstantial evidence) to the public,
LE can Peek-A-Boo right into this site,
and gobble up everything here, that might
be valuable to their never before
seen evidence.

We are profiling the Zodiac
are we not?
We are pasting together a picture
like counselors do at MHMR,
and like MHMR Zodiac did with his
Peek-through the pines card?
Why is one part of the lettering upside
down?
Looking into a camera, and not the pines?

From my observation of the Zodiac,
he liked playing the scavenger
hunt game.
One ad leads to another find, and that find
means something, like in crypt.
Then we the critics have to piece it all together,
and the end result will give us a
panoramic profile of what his true occupation
is.

Lets narrow Zodiacs occupation down,
we can do it.

Blind Bat

Hi-

I say he was somehow involved with cars. He seems to have pursued Crow and his girlfriend in a low speed or high speed chase. I believe they were in an imported sports car that night, possibly a Jaguar. but Crow isn’t talking. He drove up to Faraday and Jensen and shot them outside their car and even shot the car itself. He drove up to Mageau and Ferrin and shot them inside their car. He drove up to Hartnell and Shepard and autographed their car after stabbing them and asking for their car keys. He mentioned cars in both his phone calls. His calls were made from a gas station and a car wash. He used Stine’s cab as a "mobile crime scene." He claimed credit for, or was otherwise associated with, Radetich (shot in a parked car), Bates (disabled car) and Johns (disabled car). His bomb threatened not a building but a school bus. The bomb was powered not by American car batteries but by import car batteries, like the ones you’d find in British cars.

I say that if you remove cars, buses and car batteries from the Z case, there would be no Z case, or at least it would be unrecognizable as the Z case.

Mike

Hi-

I say he was somehow involved with cars. He seems to have pursued Crow and his girlfriend in a low speed or high speed chase. I believe they were in an imported sports car that night, possibly a Jaguar. but Crow isn’t talking. He drove up to Faraday and Jensen and shot them outside their car and even shot the car itself. He drove up to Mageau and Ferrin and shot them inside their car. He drove up to Hartnell and Shepard and autographed their car after stabbing them and asking for their car keys. He mentioned cars in both his phone calls. His calls were made from a gas station and a car wash. He used Stine’s cab as a "mobile crime scene." He claimed credit for, or was otherwise associated with, Radetich (shot in a parked car), Bates (disabled car) and Johns (disabled car). His bomb threatened not a building but a school bus. The bomb was powered not by American car batteries but by import car batteries, like the ones you’d find in British cars.

I say that if you remove cars, buses and car batteries from the Z case, there would be no Z case, or at least it would be unrecognizable as the Z case.

Mike

Very true.

How many mechanics auto salesman’s
know the writers vocabulary and
detective, PI, law, and law-enforcement?
And lived practically in the library?
Would it have to all fit in one profile?

Blind Bat

the bomb required a 12v car type battery?…somehow i must have missed that..Mike you have a link where it references a british size car battery or other?..personally trusting euro electronics was a stupid move on Z’s part..Lucas was crap in MG;s and the like..even BMW’s had a reutation into the 80’s of stalling when it was raining..Kinda surprised by your post Mike..never looked at foreign battery size/type…

ps:..went and checked..Z talks of 6volt battery which GM, Dodge did have..GM converted 6v to 12v in the early 50’s..i dunno..safe to say Z was around cars..i did find VW finally left 6v sytem starting in 67

Blind Bat, please do not misunderstand. Yes, this forum is for sharing information and I am not trying to discourage you from doing so. I’m just saying to show that when everything has a possible link to Zodiac, things which might not even be Zodiac’s–some most likely not, it just shows you can find similarities in many things. That can hurt a case, not help it.

For example the Pines card. You questioned the artwork–the hunters and the x out of the land in the middle. The sender had nothing to do with that–coincidence…and stuff like that abounds with this case. If some of these items aren’t even from Zodiac how does it help with a profile?

It’s fun to look at! Don’t get me wrong, but can you imagine sending a lot of these images you have posted to LE? For US, interesting fun, for them…I don’t know.

Blind Bat, please do not misunderstand. Yes, this forum is for sharing information and I am not trying to discourage you from doing so. I’m just saying to show that when everything has a possible link to Zodiac, things which might not even be Zodiac’s–some most likely not, it just shows you can find similarities in many things. That can hurt a case, not help it.

For example the Pines card. You questioned the artwork–the hunters and the x out of the land in the middle. The sender had nothing to do with that–coincidence…and stuff like that abounds with this case. If some of these items aren’t even from Zodiac how does it help with a profile?

It’s fun to look at! Don’t get me wrong, but can you imagine sending a lot of these images you have posted to LE? For US, interesting fun, for them…I don’t know.

(If) you were a criminal profiler…

When you mine for gold, what comes with it?
Does it hurt the gold?
The gold is the end result.

Have we seen everything LE has on the Zodiac?
There not showing or telling are they?

When there is an open murder case, LE looks at every
thing. All of it.

How did Arthur Lee A. help the case?
They did find his dildo.
Did they take that into evidence also?
If so, why?

Does my periodical posting make more sense
than a dildo?

Can you show me where Zodiac sent in
a photo of one or wrote about one?

Perhaps that dildo has merit to the case?

What does your photo of Zodiac look like,
according to the printed description
of him?

To-date, only a mug shot?

You should see mine.

5’8"-5’9" tall
175-185 lbs.
Baggy pants with pleats
Wearing a Parker/jacket
Short hair
Wing Walkers
Receding hair line
Crewcut type hair style
Glasses and no glasses

Today,
full beard to hide face
No beard
Glasses,
no glasses
250 plus pounds
Lots of hair
Bald
Mustache
Without mustache
No Wing Walkers
Crooked teeth
Strait teeth
Baggy pants with pleats
Photo with him writing or signing
with black felt pen/sharpie

Is your composite close to mine?
My first one comes from eye witness accounts.

My second one comes from playing Ken.

By the way, has LE shared with you
their photo of their plaster cast
(shoe print) taken at Lake Berryessa?
That photo will tell if Zodiac walked on the
inside or outside of his shoe.
Or if he was pigeon toed, or flat footed.
Why did he shuffle when he walked.
Foot prints don’t lie.

What’s the big secret with LE not sharing?
Has no merit to the case?

Perry Smith’s boot print sure did, it got a rope
around his neck!
The Clutter murders.

In answer to your question, about profiling.
Can one have to many possibilities.
To many is better than none?

Your photo of Zodiac please.

Blind Bat

You obviously have a POI. I do not.

It is not up to law enforcement to share with you. It is up to you to share with them. You need to convince them, not us. But I thank you for sharing what you have.

You obviously have a POI. I do not.

It is not up to law enforcement to share with you. It is up to you to share with them. You need to convince them, not us. But I thank you for sharing what you have.

I am sharing with them right here on this
site.

I’m not trying to convince anyone.
I’m showing photos, in print and words
which someone might recognize.
Do you honestly believe LE would
post photos?
Their still looking through the pines!

Your drawings of the Zodiac
in full anatomy?

He may be walking among us.
Your photo might be on Americas most Wanted
and it might capture the Zodiac.
Is that what you desire?

The cops photo sure has not captured him.
But their mug shot was a start, which
resembles Richard Kimble.
Which has got us to this point in possibilities.

Blind Bat

It would be nice if law enforcement had the time to read a message board about a 45 year old case; sifting through it all looking for things that might relate to Zodiac.

If you truly feel you have pertinent information, please tell me you have sent it to them.

Hi-

Zodiac used 6 volt car batteries. We use 12 volt batteries here.

Mike