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Jarlve
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Posts: 2547
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One of the things I’m currently doing is looking at the 340 as it just being a wildcard cipher (again). It was daikon who at the time cracked smokie’s purple haze cipher (a hard cipher just by its own) and then applied the same attack to the 340 which gave nothing (trying limited sets of high count symbols as wildcards). I’m using a more thorough approach to provide a more definite answer.

A wildcard is a symbol that is suspected to be polyalphabetic in a way. It was smokie treats who suspected that several symbols in the 340 could be wildcards. The approach I will next discuss looks at the 340 as being just a wildcard cipher without any other steps.

What I’ve done is added a new operation to AZdecrypt’s manipulation solver and the option to iterate every so many seconds (basic hillclimbing). The operator is called LengthSymbols(a,b,c). Where operand "a" allows to either remove or expand a set of symbols, and operands "b" and "c" provide the amount of symbols you’d like to remove. If "b" is at 1 and "c" is at 3 then the program will randomly roll a number between 1 and 3. If it rolls a 2 then 2 random sets of symbols will be removed or expanded. It only expands in this case, which means that a new unique symbol is created for every instance of the expanded symbol.

I opted only to expand one symbol at a time with an iteration time of 86400 seconds (one day). When the iteration time is met the program picks the highest scoring result and starts over with that cipher. 100.000.000 iterations per restart, Reddit 6-grams and a multiplicity weight of 1.3 so the program will not overvalue high count symbols. I will update the thread once a day with the new results/iteration.

I’m running the 340 and smokie ciphers (purple haze wildcard cipher) side by side and here are the base scores, no symbols expanded.

340:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Score: 17595.37 Ioc: 0.07714732 Entropy: 3.864259 Chi-square: 59.30035 Characters: 340 Letters: 20

gdhiscantopernotm
estersilarlsoiamo
edvastocorrorsegu
nssmactingsitthat
wastenimparttheop
stharcinimnoritar
satabletoaconserp
rotumisitweletora
mostitchtreadydea
necontautismoredn
othpandpalesinsai
toachupianessther
edandstepareareth
coreamateisanentt
deceiveandinocant
pasgeearisasmsbot
hantrednotrcrepor
ttorneratingnpros
promromnewlieinna
isagesonecitypaet

Multiplicity: 0.1852941 Characters: 340 Symbols: 63 Bigrams: 25

HER>pl^VPk|1LTG2d
Np+B(#O%DWY.<*Kf)
By:cM+UZGW()L#zHJ
Spp7^l8*V3pO++RK2
_9M+ztjd|5FP+&4k/
p8R^FlO-*dCkF>2D(
#5+Kq%;2UcXGV.zL|
(G2Jfj#O+_NYz+@L9
d<M+b+ZR2FBcyA64K
-zlUV+^J+Op7<FBy-
U+R/5tE|DYBpbTMKO
2<clRJ|*5T4M.+&BF
z69Sy#+N|5FBc(;8R
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|c.3zBK(Op^.fMqG2
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++)WCzWcPOSHT/()p
|FkdW<7tB_YOB*-Cc
>MDHNpkSzZO8A|K;+


smokie:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Score: 17467.23 Ioc: 0.07398056 Entropy: 3.853114 Chi-square: 51.10486 Characters: 340 Letters: 19

iuhmedprideaoreas
thatseeisasrulefu
nctioncardntrader
itehomestureitthe
enausshyoudasapro
ntelotouchesnshne
ndaidesornooolice
intcutneartaneaui
thloameatsamischl
entsdhsunersinhei
rororifthemoretic
asstanddomadssoia
ntpetoushadmusion
seinrealmandsshin
esethatherulesthe
rapistoinforactoc
utmatecalofanatti
eoriststohouchbut
irundelchitandsam
anncasionmoopendg

Multiplicity: 0.1852941 Characters: 340 Symbols: 63 Bigrams: 11

041D,%(!9=:AN).-8
"1J@Q,T3KA8G?MO'2
E/X3FU-GL_R!-%:#
3W.&HBO8"4G]<CX[+
.E6IV8Z;H2=-K6()N
U@+MFRS?Z+8EQ1E,
_LJ9%TQN!EYHS$<^O
3EX/IWE]-#C-E.>40
P1$Y6B:-@VJD08^1M
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)FGS!3'@1,DHG:R0
AQQX-_L%SD-=VKS0-
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]F)3QCQPS1YI^[*4R
3G?_%.$/&3@-ELKAD
-UEJV0HEDNS(TE%7

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 13, 2016 5:21 pm
Jarlve
(@jarlve)
Posts: 2547
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And here are the first iterations/selections:

For the 340 the "+" symbol scored the highest return, so it will unfold further from there and for the smokie the "E" symbol was picked. These are for both ciphers the most frequent symbol. Nothing readable appears for both. Tomorrow I’ll have the next iteration.

340:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[+])

Score: 18199.15 Ioc: 0.07149054 Entropy: 3.969836 Chi-square: 34.12953 Characters: 340 Letters: 21

ceepttalbutisnorn
ethestohingleisli
edmaybeconsistica
ntthatwilltothesr
rayhimontorbutmus
tweartoningurpris
torswhoreadollist
soralotofregionsa
neycancerreadinms
nitelyaanotheredn
evesometigetanyso
reateationmylater
inandthetoreasowe
torealormalalmman
dediimmageplecons
talliessotallywor
eandsingeartnetis
thinginaboncnssit
trunnehmergoeinga
pyicetunicowitsou

Multiplicity: 0.2529412 Characters: 340 Symbols: 86 Bigrams: 18

HER>pl^VPk|1LTG2d
Np!B(#O%DWY.<*Kf)
By:cM"UZGW()L#zHJ
Spp7^l8*V3pO$'RK2
_9M,ztjd|5FP0&4k/
p8R^FlO-*dCkF>2D(
#5=Kq%;2UcXGV.zL|
(G2Jfj#O?_NYzI@L9
d<MQb[ZR2FBcyA64K
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2<clRJ|*5T4M.a&BF
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|c.3zBK(Op^.fMqG2
RcTmL16C<nFlWB|)L
or)WCzWcPOSHT/()p
|FkdW<7tB_YOB*-Cc
>MDHNpkSzZO8A|K;+


smokie:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[E])

Score: 17884.74 Ioc: 0.07129967 Entropy: 3.949114 Chi-square: 36.16037 Characters: 340 Letters: 21

haosisshitanaltit
worddimeontsuperc
hereanaisinchisan
entcaretwashegrea
tquestlyactiousla
ndapactualatedomi
nirismdahemathere
egreenthingintoah
oohmuraidsrshtrop
eandtotermsofnohe
lastherdoisasacha
nddrinistsitsothi
ngstomuterisadhan
smithinprinttoler
edareunchschatgot
losetoaformsiawar
edrowieuptripinre
haledgdotomerefac
esunstheceditions
incarshalsatsmysk

Multiplicity: 0.2382353 Characters: 340 Symbols: 81 Bigrams: 8

041D,%(!9=:AN).-8
"1J@Q,T3KA8G?MO'2
`/X3FU-GL_R!-%:#
3W.&HBO8"4G]<CX[+
.a6IV8Z;H2=-K6()N
U@+MFRS?Z+8bQ1c,
_LJ9%TQN!dYHS$<^O
3eX/IWf]-#C-g.>40
P1$Y6B:-@VJD08^1M
OhWQ=18IiTGK5U1]3
)FGS!3'@1,DHG:R0
AQQX-_L%SD-=VKS0-
UC(.PY?8[JLD4Q0N_
VT9j!,AMB-k=8KZ<l
OQ+X[6W&]G2$:8C1.
)>(38PH5m'YG-"N^
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]F)3QCQPS1YI^[*4R
3G?_%.$/&3@-oLKAD
-UpJV0HqDNS(TE%7

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 13, 2016 5:28 pm
doranchak
(@doranchak)
Posts: 2614
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Great idea for an experiment! I look forward to your reports of its progress.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : April 13, 2016 11:04 pm
Jarlve
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Posts: 2547
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Second batch of iterations/selections just came through. For the 340 the "K" symbol has been additionally expanded, it occurs 7 times. Smokie’s cipher (4 wildcard symbols total) has been cracked and a very readable solution appears. For it, the "Q" symbols has been additionally expanded, it occurs 10 times. I saw 6 other readable solves sitting in the directory, all scored around and over 19500. I’ll keep smokie’s cipher in the running to have some gauge for a realistic multiplicity limit, though it is a very hard plaintext to catch.

340:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[K])

Score: 18553.55 Ioc: 0.07160333 Entropy: 3.976389 Chi-square: 39.80777 Characters: 340 Letters: 21

ceepttalbutisnorn
ethestopingleisli
edmaybeconsistica
ntthatwilltothear
rayhimontorbutmus
tweartoningurpris
tocompareadollist
soralotofregionsa
neycancerreadinmi
nitelyaanotheredn
evesometigetanymo
reateationmylater
inandthetoreasawe
torealormalalmman
dediimmageplecons
talliessotallymor
eandsingeartnetis
thinginaboncnssit
trunnehmergoeinga
pyicetunicowithaf

Multiplicity: 0.2705882 Characters: 340 Symbols: 92 Bigrams: 18

HER>pl^VPk|1LTG2d
Np!B(#O%DWY.<*sf)
By:cM"UZGW()L#zHJ
Spp7^l8*V3pO$'Ru2
_9M,ztjd|5FP0&4k/
p8R^FlO-*dCkF>2D(
#5=vq%;2UcXGV.zL|
(G2Jfj#O?_NYzI@L9
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U`R/5tE|DYBpbTMxO
2<clRJ|*5T4M.a&BF
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yBX1*:49CE>VUZ5-i
|c.3zB{(Op^.fMqG2
RcTmL16C<nFlWB|)L
or)WCzWcPOSHT/()p
|FkdW<7tB_YOB*-Cc
>MDHNpkSzZO8A|K;+


smokie:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[Q])

Score: 20323.20 Ioc: 0.05735728 Entropy: 4.235607 Chi-square: 68.87035 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

purplehaveallinmy
brainlatelythings
dontseemthesameac
tinfunnybutidonok
nowwhysousemewhil
eikisslheskyourpl
ehaveallacoulddon
tknowifimcomingup
ordownamihappyori
ndiverywhateverit
istlatgirlputaspe
llinmehelpmehelpm
eohnoohyoahpurple
haveallinmyeyesdo
ntknowifitsdayorn
ightyouvegotmeblo
wingblowilgmymind
isittocolrowoojus
ttheendoftimehelp
meyeahpurpllhaveb

Multiplicity: 0.2647059 Characters: 340 Symbols: 90 Bigrams: 8

041D,%(!9=:AN).-8
"1J@r,T3KA8G?MO'2
`/X3FU-GL_R!-%:#
3W.&HBO8"4G]<CX[+
.a6IV8Z;H2=-K6()N
U@+MFRS?Z+8bs1c,
_LJ9%TtN!dYHS$<^O
3eX/IWf]-#C-g.>40
P1$Y6B:-@VJD08^1M
OhWu=18IiTGK5U1]3
)FGS!3'@1,DHG:R0
AvwX-_L%SD-=VKS0-
UC(.PY?8[JLD4x0N_
VT9j!,AMB-k=8KZ<l
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)>(38PH5m'YG-"N^
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]F)3zCQPS1YI^[*4R
3G?_%.$/&3@-oLKAD
-UpJV0HqDNS(TE%7

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 14, 2016 12:33 pm
Jarlve
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Posts: 2547
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Third batch of iterations. The 340’s score progressed only very little (from 18554 to 18669) expanding the 4 times occuring "J" symbol. Smokie’s cipher is going very strong with a score of 21379 expanding the 8 times occuring "S" symbol. Note that scores display somewhat lower than they should be due to adding a multiplicity weight of 1.3.

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[J])

Score: 18668.84 Ioc: 0.06657123 Entropy: 4.031511 Chi-square: 39.30825 Characters: 340 Letters: 21

deepttalbutisnorm
stheshowingleinli
edmaybeconsishido
ntthatwilltothear
rayhimymtorbutmus
tweartonimgurpris
houldwarearollist
sorelyhoursgivesa
meycancerreadinmi
nitelyandotheredn
evesometigetanymo
reatentionmylater
inandhistoreasawe
torsalormalalmman
deriimmageplecons
talliessotallydor
eandsingeartnetis
thinginabondnssit
trumnehmergoeinga
pyidstunicowithaf

Multiplicity: 0.2794118 Characters: 340 Symbols: 95 Bigrams: 18

HER>pl^VPk|1LTG2d
Np!B(#O%DWY.<*sf)
By:cM"UZGW()L#zH}
Spp7^l8*V3pO$'Ru2
_9M,ztjd|5FP0&4k/
p8R^FlO-*dCkF>2D(
#5=vq%;2UcXGV.zL|
(G2~fj#O?_NYzI@L9
d<MQb[ZR2FBcyA64w
-zlUV^]Op7<FBy-
U`R/5tE|DYBpbTMxO
2<clRJ|*5T4M.a&BF
z69Sy#eN|5FBc(;8R
lGFN^f524b.cV4tgh
yBX1*:49CE>VUZ5-i
|c.3zB{(Op^.fMqG2
RcTmL16C<nFlWB|)L
or)WCzWcPOSHT/()p
|FkdW<7tB_YOB*-Cc
>MDHNpkSzZO8A|K;+


AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[S])

Score: 21378.70 Ioc: 0.05720111 Entropy: 4.234512 Chi-square: 60.56536 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

purplehaveallinmy
brainlatelythings
dontseemthesameac
tinfunnybutidonok
nowwhyscusemewhil
eikisstheskyourpl
ehaveallarounddon
tknowifimcomingup
ordownamihappyori
ndiverywhateverit
isthatgirlputaspe
llinmehelpmehelpm
eohnoohyoahpurple
haveallinmyeyesdo
ntknowifitsdayorn
ightyouvegotmeblo
wingblowingmymind
isittomorrowoojus
ttheendoftimehelp
meyeahpurplehaveb

Multiplicity: 0.2852941 Characters: 340 Symbols: 97 Bigrams: 8

041D,%(!9=:AN).-8
"1J@r,T3KA8G?MO'2
`/X3FU-GL_R!-%:#
3W.&HBO8"4G]<CX[+
.a6IV8Z;H2=-K6()N
U@+MFR{?Z+8bs1c,
_LJ9%TtN!dYH|$<^O
3eX/IWf]-#C-g.>40
P1$Y6B:-@VJD08^1M
OhWu=18IiTGK5U1]3
)FG}!3'@1,DHG:R0
AvwX-_L%~D-=VK0-
UC(.PY?8[JLD4x0N_
VT9j!,AMB-k=8KZ<l
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]F)3zCQP1YI^[*4R
3G?_%.$/&3@-oLKAD
-UpJV0HqDNS(TE%7

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 15, 2016 12:12 pm
Jarlve
(@jarlve)
Posts: 2547
Famed Member
Topic starter
 

Fourth iteration. The 340’s score again progressed just a bit by expanding the "4" symbol that occurs 6 times. At the moment it doesn’t look good for the 340 (score wise) but as long as smokie’s cipher keeps solving it should be worthwhile to keep the experiment running. Smokie’s cipher seems to have maxed out, don’t think a much better solution can be achieved. The 4 times occuring "[" symbol has been expanded.

340:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[4])

Score: 18767.09 Ioc: 0.0654954 Entropy: 4.065185 Chi-square: 33.51322 Characters: 340 Letters: 22

deepttalbutisnorm
stheshowingleinli
edmaybeconsishido
ntthatwilltothear
rayhimymtorbutjus
tweartonimgurpris
houldwarearollist
sorelyhoursgivesa
meycancerreadinfi
nitelyandotheredn
evesometigetanymo
reatentionmylater
inandhistoreasawe
torsalormalallmur
deriimmageplecons
talliessotallydor
eandsingeartnetis
goinginabondnssit
trumnehmergoeinga
pyidstunicowithaf

Multiplicity: 0.2941177 Characters: 340 Symbols: 100 Bigrams: 18

HER>pl^VPk|1LTG2d
Np!B(#O%DWY.<*sf)
By:cM"UZGW()L#zH}
Spp7^l8*V3pO$'Ru2
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p8R^FlO-*dCkF>2D(
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|FkdW<7tB_YOB*-Cc
>MDHNpkSzZO8A|K;+


smokie:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[[])

Score: 21792.60 Ioc: 0.05746139 Entropy: 4.226827 Chi-square: 60.22518 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

purplehaveallinmy
brainlatelythings
dontseemthesameac
tinfunnybutidontk
nowwhysousemewhil
eikisstheskyourpl
ehaveallarounddon
tknowifimcomingup
ordownamihappyori
ndiverywhateverit
isthatgirlputaspe
llinmehelpmehelpm
eohnoohyeahpurple
haveallinmyeyesdo
ntknowifitsdayorn
ightyouvegotmeblo
wingblowingmymind
isittomorroworjus
ttheendoftimehelp
meyeahpurplehaveb

Multiplicity: 0.2941177 Characters: 340 Symbols: 100 Bigrams: 7

041D,%(!9=:AN).-8
"1J@r,T3KA8G?MO'2
`/X3FU-GL_R!-%:#
3W.&HBO8"4G]<CX‚+
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-UpJV0HqDNS(TE%7

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 16, 2016 12:19 pm
(@mr-lowe)
Posts: 1197
Noble Member
 

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lots of words: murder, should roll deep cancer going lies showing infinitley etc
sentences: but just wear…get anymore atention,, my later,,, all murder… and sing

it feels like its trying to give up something but its misaligned?

 
Posted : April 16, 2016 1:49 pm
Jarlve
(@jarlve)
Posts: 2547
Famed Member
Topic starter
 

Thanks Mr lowe.

Fifth iteration. More of the same. For the 340 the "f" symbol has been expanded which occurs 3 times. And for smokie’s cipher the "Z" symbol which occurs 2 times.

340:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[f])

Score: 18830.81 Ioc: 0.06710047 Entropy: 4.049648 Chi-square: 25.57621 Characters: 340 Letters: 22

deepttalbutisnorn
stheshowingleisfi
edmaybeconsishido
ntthatwilltotheir
daytimentorbutjus
tweartoningurpris
houldwarearollist
sortheholdsgivesa
neycancerreadinfi
nitelyanyotheredn
ecesometigetanymo
reatentionmylater
inandhistoreasawe
torsaformalallmur
deriimmageplecons
talliessotallydor
eandsingeartnetis
goinginabondnssit
trunnehmedgoeinga
pyidstunicowithaf

Multiplicity: 0.3029412 Characters: 340 Symbols: 103 Bigrams: 18

HER>pl^VPk|1LTG2d
Np!B(#O%DWY.<*s…)
By:cM"UZGW()L#zH}
Spp7^l8*V3pO$'Ru2
_9M,ztjd|5FP0&€k/
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RcTmL16C<nFlWB|)L
or)WCzWcPOSHT/()p
|FkdW<7tB_YOB*-Cc
>MDHNpkSzZO8A|K;+


smokie:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[Z])

Score: 21822.93 Ioc: 0.05697553 Entropy: 4.24129 Chi-square: 61.93594 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

purplehaveallinmy
brainlatelythings
dontseemthesameac
tinfunnybutidontk
nowwhyyousemewhil
eikisscheckyourpl
ehaveallarounddon
tknowifimcomingup
ordownamihappyori
ndiverywhateverit
isthatgirlputaspe
llinmehelpmehelpm
eohnoohyeahpurple
haveallinmyeyesdo
ntknowifitsdayorn
ightyouvegotmeblo
wingblowingmymind
isittomorroworjus
ttheendoftimehelp
meyeahpurplehaveb

Multiplicity: 0.3 Characters: 340 Symbols: 102 Bigrams: 7

041D,%(!9=:AN).-8
"1J@r,T3KA8G?MO'2
`/X3FU-GL_R!-%:#
3W.&HBO8"4G]<CX‚+
.a6IV8…;H2=-K6()N
U@+MFR{?†+8bs1c,
_LJ9%TtN!dYH|$<^O
3eX/IWf]-#C-g.>40
P1$Y6B:-@VJD08^1M
OhWu=18IiTGK5U1]3
)FG}!3'@1,DHG:R0
AvwX-_L%~D-=VK0-
UC(.PY?8ƒJLD4x0N_
VT9j!,AMB-k=8KZ<l
Oy+X„6W&]G2$:8C1.
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]F)3zCQP1YI^[*4R
3G?_%.$/&3@-oLKAD
-UpJV0HqDNS(TE%7

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 17, 2016 3:25 pm
(@mr-lowe)
Posts: 1197
Noble Member
 

deep ttalbut is norns the showing leisfi
ed may becons is h i dont that will to their
day time ntor but just wear tonimgurpri s
hould warearol lists or the holds gives a
ney cancer read infinitely any other edn
ece some ti get anymore atention my later
in and histore asawetorsa formal all mur
der i immage pleconstal lies so tally dor
e and sing eartnet is going in a bond nssit
trunnehmed goeing apyid stun ico with af

Multiplicity: 0.3029412 Characters: 340 Symbols: 103 Bigrams: 18

Some good strings

 
Posted : April 17, 2016 4:40 pm
Jarlve
(@jarlve)
Posts: 2547
Famed Member
Topic starter
 

Sixth iteration. Smokie’s cipher did not improve its previous score and I decided to stop its run. I’ll keep the 340 running for a few more days but I feel that if the 340 has 4-5 wildcards it should have been cracked by now. I’m thinking about rerunning this test while expanding 2 symbols at a time so that there is more depth to the search, which would possibly allow to crack ciphers with up to 8-9 wildcards if multiplicity permits.

340:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[Y])

Score: 18903.36 Ioc: 0.06695297 Entropy: 4.061836 Chi-square: 24.20345 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

deepttalbutisnorn
stheshowingleisfi
edmaybeconsishido
ntthatwilltotheir
daytimentorbutjus
tweartoningurpris
houldwarearollist
sortheholdspicksa
neycancerreadingi
nitelyanyotheredn
evesometimetanymo
reatentionmylater
inandhistoreasawe
torsaformalallmur
deriimmageplecons
talliessotallydor
eandsingeartnetis
goinginabondnssit
trunnehmedtoeinga
pyidstunicowithaf

Multiplicity: 0.3117647 Characters: 340 Symbols: 106 Bigrams: 18

HER>pl^VPk|1LTG2d
Np!B(#O%DWˆ.<*s…)
By:cM"UZGW()L#zH}
Spp7^l8*V3pO$'Ru2
_9M,ztjd|5FP0&€k/
p8R^FlO-*dCkF>2D(
#5=vq%;2UcXGV.zL|
(G2~†j#O?_N‰zI@L9
d<MQb[ZR2FBcyA6w
-zlUV^]Op7<FBy-
U`R/5tE|DŠBpbTMxO
2<clRJ|*5T‚M.a&BF
z69Sy#eN|5FBc(;8R
lGFN^‡52ƒb.cV„tgh
yBX1*:49CE>VUZ5-i
|c.3zB{(Op^.fMqG2
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|FkdW<7tB_YOB*-Cc
>MDHNpkSzZO8A|K;+


smokie:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[^])

Score: 21783.26 Ioc: 0.05645497 Entropy: 4.250528 Chi-square: 62.11928 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

purplehaveallinmy
brainlatelythings
dontseemthesameac
tinfunnybutidontk
nowwhyyousemewhil
eikisscheckyourpl
ehaveallarounddon
tknowifimcomingup
ordownamihappybri
ngiverywhateverit
isthatgirlputaspe
llinmehelpmehelpm
eohnoohyeahpurple
haveallinmyeyesdo
ntknowifitsdayorn
ightyouvegotmeblo
wingblowingmymind
isittomorrowasjus
ttheendoftimehelp
meyeahpurplehaveb

Multiplicity: 0.3088235 Characters: 340 Symbols: 105 Bigrams: 7

041D,%(!9=:AN).-8
"1J@r,T3KA8G?MO'2
`/X3FU-GL_R!-%:#
3W.&HBO8"4G]<CX‚+
.a6IV8…;H2=-K6()N
U@+MFR{?†+8bs1c,
_LJ9%TtN!dYH|$<‡O
3eX/IWf]-#C-g.>40
P1$Y6B:-@VJD08ˆ1M
OhWu=18IiTGK5U1]3
)FG}!3'@1,DHG:R0
AvwX-_L%~D-=VK0-
UC(.PY?8ƒJLD4x0N_
VT9j!,AMB-k=8KZ<l
Oy+X„6W&]G2$:8C1.
)>(38PH5m'YG-"N‰
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]F)3zCQP1YI^[*4R
3G?_%.$/&3@-oLKAD
-UpJV0HqDNS(TE%7

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 18, 2016 1:19 pm
smokie treats
(@smokie-treats)
Posts: 1626
Noble Member
 

Wow, I am impressed. I guess I don’t have to try to figure out how to solve a cipher like that anymore. Perhaps you will solve it soon.

 
Posted : April 18, 2016 1:55 pm
(@mr-lowe)
Posts: 1197
Noble Member
 

deep ttalbut isnorn
s the showing leisfi
ed may beconsish i do
nt that will to their
day time ntor but jus
t wear toning urpri s
hould ware arol list
so r the holds picks a
ney cancer reading i
nitely any other edn
eve sometime t anymo
re atention my later
in and histore asawe
tors a formal all mur
der i immage plecons
tallies so tally dor
e and singeartnetis
going in a bond nssit
trunnehmedtoeinga
pyid stuni cow i thaf

Lots n lots of words and mini sentences.. Especially in the top two thirds .. How do you judge a good partial "solve"
Not sure if it’s just garble or needs further investigation..

Not sure if breaking it down helps.. If not let me know.
Cheers

Multiplicity: 0.3117647 Characters: 340 Symbols: 106 Bigrams: 18

 
Posted : April 18, 2016 2:08 pm
Jarlve
(@jarlve)
Posts: 2547
Famed Member
Topic starter
 

Seventh iteration.

340:

AZdecrypt 0.993 (Reddit corpus 6-grams)

Manipulation operation(s): LengthSymbol(2,1,1,[l])

Score: 18964.26 Ioc: 0.06583377 Entropy: 4.08104 Chi-square: 18.84333 Characters: 340 Letters: 23

keepthalbutisnorn
stheshowongleitri
edmaybeconsishido
ntthatwilltotheir
daytimentorbutjus
twearsoningurpros
houldwarearollist
sortheholdsgivesa
neycancerreadinfi
nitelyandotheredn
evesometogetanymo
reasectionmylater
inandhistoreasawe
sorsaformalallmur
deriimmageplecons
talliessotallydor
eandsingepronetis
thinginabonanssit
trunnehmedgoeinga
pyoustunicowithaf

Multiplicity: 0.3294118 Characters: 340 Symbols: 112 Bigrams: 17

ˆER>p‹^VPk|1LTG2d
Np!B(#O%DWY.<*s…)
By:cM"UZGW()L#z‰}
Spp7^Œ8*V3pO$'Ru2
_9M,ztjd|5FP0&€k/
p8R^FO-*dCkF>2D(
#5=vq%;2UcXGV.zL|
(G2~†j#O?_NYzI@L9
d<MQb[ZR2FBcyA6w
-zŽUV^]Op7<FBy-
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2<cRJ|*5T‚M.a&BF
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|c.3zB{(Op^.fMqG2
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|FkdW<7tB_YOB*-Cc
>MDHNpkSzZO8A|K;+

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 19, 2016 2:34 pm
(@mr-lowe)
Posts: 1197
Noble Member
 

keep thal but is norn
s the show on gle i tri
ed may becons ishi do
nt that will to their
day time ntor but jus
t wear son ingurpro s
hould ware a roll ist
sorthe holds gives a
ney cancer f read in fi
nitely and other edn
eve some to get any mo
re a section my later
in and histore as a we
sorsa formal all mur
der iimmage plecons
tallies so tally dor
e and sing epronetis
thing in a bonanssit
trunnehmed goeing a
p you stun ico with af

Multiplicity: 0.3294118 Characters: 340 Symbols: 112 Bigrams: 17

 
Posted : April 19, 2016 4:14 pm
doranchak
(@doranchak)
Posts: 2614
Member Admin
 

Lots n lots of words and mini sentences.. Especially in the top two thirds .. How do you judge a good partial "solve"
Not sure if it’s just garble or needs further investigation..

It’s hard to answer that. In most cases, you can just tell when a partial solve is right via visual inspection, because the sentences and phrases require very few edits to finalize. They will have more "high order structure" to them, such as properly applied grammatical rules. Most solvers maximize the resemblance of "low order structure" (ngrams and words) to real language. So recognizable words and small phrases will often appear in a false solution. But if someone ran the false solution through a grammatical parser or some other measurement of high order structure, it would score very low.

Solvers can try to correct for this by supporting larger ngram statistics, as Jarlve has done by generating 6-gram and 7-gram statistics. But it gets challenging as you get higher, because of the storage and memory requirements imposed by such large sets of data. But, I think there’s another tradeoff with larger ngrams, since it may be harder to hillclimb with such large "building blocks". For example, on your way to reaching a valid, large ngram (such as a 7- or 8-gram), you will encounter valid, small ngrams (such as a 4- or 5-gram). It may help the solver to look for the small ngrams (smaller structure) while looking for the large ones (larger structure), so the "hill" it’s climbing might be a bit smoother.

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : April 19, 2016 4:27 pm
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