Norse I say it is an angular C bc of the constellation Scorpio which the symbol is a derivation of. The symbol is an embellishment of the constellation Scorpio and the word zodiac. Notice how the scorpio constellation looks like a Z on the left end and C on the right? All we are missing is O,D,I,A and there’s dots to represent those letters in his symbol. Maybe even the dots being white is to indicate they are a play on stars.

I mean he calls himself the zodiac and sent the card during Scorpio’s transit. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Then again I could be wrong and probably am so whatever. To each his own.

Thanks for clarifying.

Yes, I see what you’re getting at. But the c-like formation in the illustration above looks far more like an "angular c" than the one in the Halloween card symbol. The latter is not the same formation: It’s just three straight lines, sans the two vertical "hooks" in the constellation illustration (which make all the difference). It may be an embellishment, as you say, on the constellation – but if he had actually copied that "c" more faithfully (which seems like an obvious thing to do), it would have made for a better representation of his name. He didn’t, though.

Anyway, if you’re right about this Z was clearly into astrology – more than most people, one could say: He knew the outline of Scorpius, for one thing. And the fact that he sent the card during that transit is also impossible to ignore, given the same premise.

But what is there – actually – in his actions and writings which support the assumption that he was into astrology?

But what is there – actually – in his actions and writings which support the assumption that he was into astrology?

Zip.

Zip.

Precisely.

Which means that we have to introduce a certain idea: That Z (whose moniker suggests he was into astrology, but whose writings and actions don’t bear this out) was for who knows what reason inclined to express his REAL purpose through riddles and hints, rather than pointing out that he was killing people according to some sort of celestial scheme (or whatever).

Is that possible? Yes, sure. But the tone of his letters, the persona who apparently wrote said letters, doesn’t seem to suggest this at all. Not to me. That person, or persona, was getting his kicks from the publicity. He got off on reading about himself as the boogeyman in the papers. He didn’t choose his moniker because the stars compelled him to kill (or write letters), he chose it because it sounded cool. And he didn’t even go public with it until it occurred to him that "The Cipher Slayer" sounded a bit lame.

I’m not saying the latter makes perfect sense – but it makes more sense than the former to me.

But what is there – actually – in his actions and writings which support the assumption that he was into astrology?

Zip.

…adee-doo-da

When I get frustrated with so many theories, I just sing along.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bWyhj7siEY

Zip.

Precisely.

Which means that we have to introduce a certain idea: That Z (whose moniker suggests he was into astrology, but whose writings and actions don’t bear this out) was for who knows what reason inclined to express his REAL purpose through riddles and hints, rather than pointing out that he was killing people according to some sort of celestial scheme (or whatever).

Is that possible? Yes, sure. But the tone of his letters, the persona who apparently wrote said letters, doesn’t seem to suggest this at all. Not to me. That person, or persona, was getting his kicks from the publicity. He got off on reading about himself as the boogeyman in the papers. He didn’t choose his moniker because the stars compelled him to kill (or write letters), he chose it because it sounded cool. And he didn’t even go public with it until it occurred to him that "The Cipher Slayer" sounded a bit lame.

I’m not saying the latter makes perfect sense – but it makes more sense than the former to me.

There is my recent post of the lunar moon phase connection , to the murder dates viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2371
I see the VF and dots as a road map ,the dots being some victims resting place ,etc.
I have been looking at Paradise valley Montana area and see many roads have a wide & sharp V like the drawing ,but haven’t found one with a F attached

There is my recent post of the lunar moon phase connection , to the murder dates http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2371
I see the VF and dots as a road map ,the dots being some victims resting place ,etc.
I have been looking at Paradise valley Montana area and see many roads have a wide & sharp V like the drawing ,but haven’t found one with a F attached

I know. I commented on your post weeks ago. In my opinion you haven’t demonstrated that there is an actual connection. Nor has anyone else.

Oh he wasn’t interested in astrology at all. Nothing to indicate it. He only nicknamed himself the Zodiac and had a symbol that might possibly represent the 4 quadrants of the astrological wheel. No one knows anything for sure and that’s why they are theories. So you can’t completely discount the theory (as Norse and Tahoe constantly do) because you yourselves don’t know exactly 100% who zodiac was or what his symbols represented – though you speak from a place of authority as if you do. Part of his publicity and appealing to the SF public could be referencing fads like astrology. They are all IMO little pieces of a greater persona.

Boom.

I can’t comment on my own thread about Lew, but I’ll say that I don’t think the rumors about Robert Hunter matter and he isn’t connected to Z. Just had to point out that theory/connection as it was a coincidence. If I see connections I’ll note them just to do so. I am grateful to have people explain the info, but i don’t need to be patronized.

I am grateful to have people explain the info, but i don’t need to be patronized.

Good. But you have to bear in mind that some of this stuff has been brought up a million times before, in some shape or form. So when someone says: "Not that s**t again," it doesn’t amount to a personal insult.

Secondly, if you’re referring to me with your comment about "speaking from authority", I resent that. I don’t mind saying so either: You’re wide off the mark. I don’t represent any authority and I have never tried to do so either.

You can’t throw around ideas at the rate you’ve been doing without meeting some resistance. And if you could, this would be a poor forum, hardly worth the visit.

My comment wasn’t directed at you PP. It comes from reading so much stuff in a day…not just this thread. And my post just means to put a smile on and read…it’s easier to deal with–that’s all.

But you just spoke in sort of a contradicting way here: ""Oh he wasn’t interested in astrology at all. Nothing to indicate it. He only nicknamed himself the Zodiac and had a symbol that might possibly represent the 4 quadrants of the astrological wheel."….then you say know one knows for sure.

You are absolutely correct. Nobody knows. So why the comments above like it’s ridiculous that he wasn’t into astrology?

It’s fine for you to believe whatever you want to. I certainly do!

from the bottom reading right to left I make it out as "I don’t like crash landings they are not much fun"

4 out of 5 of the murders /attacks taking place a day after a full or no moon and the other on a big holiday ,is more than a coincidence ,a jury would buy it
except for you N – you said there was no evidence.. there is some

4 out of 5 of the murders /attacks taking place a day after a full or no moon and the other on a big holiday ,is more than a coincidence ,a jury would buy it
except for you N – you said there was no evidence.. there is some

ace.. that begs the question why not a full moon. because they did not fall on a Friday or sat?

I think I like the time off work theory better, he went hunting, and had "chance" encounters on his time off. But that’s another topic.

4 out of 5 of the murders /attacks taking place a day after a full or no moon and the other on a big holiday ,is more than a coincidence ,a jury would buy it
except for you N – you said there was no evidence.. there is some

What’s the pattern? He strikes one day after a full moon – OR one day after a new moon? And why is that – according to what astrological principle (or whatever it’s supposed to be) does this make sense?

And never mind that BRS clearly breaks with this "pattern" – because that’s a national holiday. With what astrological significance?

A jury would buy this? I don’t think so.

quoted from googlation somewhere "The lunar cycles consider the moon to be a Waxing Gibbous when it is 95% illuminated. This changes to a Full moon when it is 100% illuminated, and back to a Waning Gibbous when it fades to 95% illumination once again. The time between these phases of Waxing Gibbous and Waning Gibbous can vary, but it is usually around 4 days total".

so to be impartial to the full moon theory it lasts longer than I thought. but still its not my take on it.

Edit… so to the naked eye it was a full moon. not that I have checked it out. a good site to do that is a brilliant site called wolframalpha type in date and area, it will give you the moons phases.