doranchak, Subject: Copiale Cipher update Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:10 am
http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=220
The Wired article is fascinating. I hope Kevin Knight and his fellow researchers continue to attack the Zodiac ciphers as well.
glurk, Subject: Re: Copiale Cipher update Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:25 am
I’d like to have the entire Copiale cipher in numeric form just to see if ZKD (which can solve German) would be able…. Just curious.
-glurk
doranchak, Subject: Re: Copiale Cipher update Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:56 am
Here’s a quick and dirty one. I took this transcription:
http://stp.lingfil.uu.se/~bea/copiale/copiale-transcription.txt
Removed punctuation, page numbers, comments, etc.:
http://zodiackillerciphers.com/copiale.txt
Then tokenized it to numeric form:
http://zodiackillerciphers.com/copiale-numeric.txt
The numeric substitution for tokens is:
l: 0
i: 1
t: 2
m: 3
z: 4
grr: 5
bar: 6
b: 7
v: 8
x: 9
zzz: 10
ih: 11
lam: 12
s: 13
k: 14
sqp: 15
ki: 16
arr: 17
w: 18
n: 19
pi: 20
oh: 21
j: 22
hd: 23
tri: 24
eh: 25
three: 26
c: 27
ah: 28
ni: 29
uh: 30
lip: 31
uu: 32
r: 33
o: 34
zs: 35
del: 36
iot: 37
plus: 38
p: 39
ns: 40
f: 41
hk: 42
cross: 43
g: 44
ds: 45
mu: 46
y: 47
mal: 48
q: 49
ft: 50
bas: 51
sqi: 52
nu: 53
h: 54
ru: 55
gs: 56
fem: 57
grl: 58
a: 59
nee: 60
no: 61
u: 62
car: 63
inf: 64
e: 65
d: 66
gam: 67
star: 68
pipe: 69
bigx: 70
grc: 71
longs: 72
toe: 73
e?: 74
*krussedull*: 75
gate: 76
smil: 77
smir: 78
qua: 79
bigl: 80
@: 81
@@@@@: 82
sci: 83
tribig: 84
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Copiale Cipher update Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:29 pm
This was amazing work. This should be an inspiration to all those who work on unsolved ciphers, be they the Voynich Manuscript or the Zodiac Codes.
A few months ago, Professor Knight responded to a query letter of mine, and asked that I send him my work on the Zodiac codes along with the excellent data and analysis from Doranchak and Aquiman.
I know he is very busy, but I too hope he has the time to look at it and other aspects of the Zodiac Codes. If it is possible for the Zodiac 340 to be solved, Prof Knight and the other members of his international team would be the ones to do it. Prof Knight told me he was interested in working on the Zodiac Codes, but might not be able to focus on them until the start of the new year.
Interestingly, most academic historians tended to dismiss the idea that secret societies communicated internationally and that there was an "underground stream" of freethinkers opposed to Church dogma and who believed in the rights of man. In the Copiale Cipher, this German secret group talks about ties and influences from Scotland Freemasons and other countries. I think there is a lot to learn from these and other documents, both about the history of secret groups and in terms of code breaking methods.
The article is great, and shows how different members of the team contributed to solving this cipher, with the lead role by Prof Knight and his computer based langauge analysis.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Copiale Cipher update Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:45 pm
This Freemason website has info on the ties between the German Copiale Secret Society and Scottish Rite Freemasons.
It also has a KEY to the cipher.
http://scottishrite.org/journal/march-a … -unveiled/
glurk, Subject: Re: Copiale Cipher update Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:23 am
doranchak-
Thanks for that numeric encoding. Surprisingly, I’ve actually had some success with this using ZKD. Because the entire cipher is so long, I took only the first 21 lines of your encoding, loaded it into ZKD set for German language, and it quickly came up with a very decent partial solve – not even taking into account the "word space" or "nomenclator" symbols. It’s complicated for ZKD since some symbols stand for words, and some stand for 2 letters (one symbol for ‘ch’ for example.)
This was a bit of work!! And there were probably transcription errors in the original, but it still found a close match. A link to the original German solution is here:
http://stp.lingfil.uu.se/~bea/copiale/c … phered.txt
And here is what ZKD found – I’ve cleaned it up, tried to add spaces, lower case "c" means "ch", "@" means EYE, etc. But it still matches quite closely. ZKD surprised me, I doubted it would find anything!
This is not fully "cleaned up" and I think the transcription has errors, but it does match your numeric encoding. I may spend more time on this later, it’s interesting.
-glurk
EDIT and PS: I see now from the "key" that AK linked to above, that one symbol means "repeat the previous consonant." ZKD was never programmed to do that, and it cannot. So that may explain some of the errors.
I’m also happy that I am welcome at zodiackillerciphers dot com. (wink, nod)
doranchak, Subject: Re: Copiale Cipher update Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:41 am
Very cool, glurk! Makes me wonder how many dusty old historical ciphers would by solved by ZKD if more researchers knew about it.
smithy, Subject: Re: Copiale Cipher update Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:01 am
Mächtig beeindruckt.
