doranchak, Subject: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:25 am
Another solution attempt:
http://www.zodiackillerciphers.com/?p=208
Unfortunately, it’s not very good.
smithy, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:01 am
I wonder if it reads better in German? (Or Turkish?)
glurk, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:06 am
He wrote it in English here:
http://www.workmanofchild.com/eng/essay … ution.html
smithy, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:15 am
Nope. I still want to see it in German I think. (Or Turkish).
glurk, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:26 am
Here it is in Turkish, then:
Türkçesi: Dur ahmak Paul – Presidio cinayeti. Hasta insanlığın efendisi, tüm ahmakları ve zekadan yoksun aptalları yok etti. Sapkınım (Tepegöz’üm?), aslanın inine yuvarlanmışları katletmekten geri durmayacağım. Karalamaları, benzin karnelerindeki damgaları, tuhaf fosillerin ayrıntılı kopyalarını çıkarmayı, Orland (San Francisco yakınlarında bir kasaba) anıt-mezarlığı civarındaki yürüyüş yollarını seviyorum. Stine denen ahmağı öldürmeye tenezzül etmiyordum. Meraklı çocuklar görüverecekler diye. Katil benim. Salyangozdan bile yavaş hareket eden bir aslanım ben, sessiz ve sinsice sokulan, öldürücü yılan, kral aslan. Ben kıyamet günü kurulacak mahkemelerim.
From the article here:
http://www.radikal.com.tr/Radikal.aspx? … egoryID=41
smithy, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:42 am
Thanks mate – much better. I think "Katil benim" might be wrong, but the rest looks OK.
glurk, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:57 am
"Ben katil değilim" would probably be more accurate. But I didn’t do the translation. It is from the original article.
-glurk
smithy, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:13 am
Ah! That explains it!
Thanks again. I’ll look into the possibilities in German for myself.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:17 am
‘Idiots! Silly morons.’ Zodiac must have been a fan of Ed Wood’s Plan 9 From Outer Space. I think we may have found the Turkish Corey Starliper. This is super extreme anagramming.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:29 am
On the flip side this seems like an honest effort and thus worth looking at. Maybe there is sometthing in there of value. At first glance IMO there are too few words appearing in left to right read no anagrams.
doranchak, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:11 pm
Now Türkmen is leaving comments on my post claiming I violated his "copyright". 
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:42 pm
Now Türkmen is leaving comments on my post claiming I violated his "copyright".
If you want to be conservative/careful, do not post any images from his site.
If you type his solution, then that is generally ok under the "fair use" provision of the copyright law, for purposes of education, scholarship research, news reporting, debate and commentary.
If you provide a link, that is not a copyright violation.
doranchak, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:45 pm
Agreed.
Seems strange to me that someone who believes he is unearthing a serial killer’s messages feels entitled to copyright them.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:09 pm
Agreed.
Seems strange to me that someone who believes he is unearthing a serial killer’s messages feels entitled to copyright them.
On a few of my proposed solutions I put a copyright notice, so that nobody else could use it for profit or at a for profit website, but then put "Under fair use this may be reposted or published without notice or payment, for all non-profit news reporting, educational and research purposes."
Someone’s comments and analysis of a code can be copyrighted, but IF he successfully decoded the message, then the Zodiac is the actual author for copyright purposes, not him! And since Zodiac sent the code to newspapers, he arguably waived any copyright. Or he can identify himself and collect his check – and a life sentence.
But images do have absolute copyright protection, so you may not want to have his image of the solution, but type it yourself.
Luke68, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:36 pm
Snail, 13th sign of the Zodiac. Faster than Leo but more slippery than Aquarius.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:06 pm
‘Aint stop killing’. We can add the butchered English langauge to the list of Zodiac victims. ‘I an the lion slower than leo’. Huh? One anagram read of another line could be ‘aol dial up fckn dely man’. Perhaps Zodiac was psychic. Doranchak one other bit of advice add the words ‘in my opinion’ after ‘unfortunately’ in your analysis.
doranchak, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:20 pm
Doranchak one other bit of advice add the words ‘in my opinion’ after ‘unfortunately’ in your analysis.
What is mere opinion? The fact that anagramming permits many unverifiable and arbitrary solutions? Or that such a fact leads to unfortunate persistence of the cipher mystery?
It’d be a bit like saying: One and one is two, in my opinion.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:01 pm
Just some advice you can take it or leave it. Statements asserted as fact can be libelous while those labeled as opinion are libel proof. Never mind that you would win I would not want to get dragged into court. I see you typed the solution now so you are ok there. This guy may just be huffing and puffing but in my opinion he could be the type to follow through on his threats of legal action…I agree there is way too much extreme anagram use here but if you add ‘IMO’ you are clear from threat of libel action.
doranchak, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:17 pm
I don’t see how legitimate and fact-based criticism can be legally regarded as libel. What I posted has no more malicious intent than similar criticisms of other publicly available works.
It would boil down to him suing me for hurting his feelings.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:36 pm
I agree with you. I dont know if he would qualify as a public figure. Nothing you said is libel under U.S. law. But he can still sue and you have to bear cost of defending. Yes you would win and maybe get a judgement for your thousands in attorney fees for a frivolus and harrassing lawsuit. Good luck collecting that from him in Turkey. Also I dont know Turkish law except there are people in jail for saying the Kurds are a people. I see your point too nonsense and false solutions should be debunked but imo this man is angry and wildly over reacting thus he could sue. Thats my advice enough said. You do a good job showing his anagram solution is only one of hundreds possible. In my opinion. 
doranchak, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:42 pm
It would cost him time and money, too, to initiate the process. And he’d have to convince an attorney that the case is worth pursuing. Would an attorney take on such a clear loss? I guess it doesn’t matter, as long as somebody pays for their time. 
glurk, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Wed Oct 24, 2012 4:13 am
Sigh. This guy kind of reminds me of Hal Kravcik, who also threatened lawsuits, which, of course, never happened.
People like this should realize that when they post a theory on a publicly available page on the internet that it is OF COURSE
open to public scrutiny, analysis, and criticism. Hiding behind claims of copyright seems like (as doranchak said) a weak way
of trying to avoid hurt feelings.
And very much like Starliper, it seems that Mr. Turkmen, instead of trying to first get any peer review or validation of his solution
instead took it straight to the media. Who, of course, published it straight away. I’m sure that "43 year old mystery solved!" makes
for a good headline, though.
If these type of folks expect to get their 15 minutes of fame and instead get years of infamy, I cannot say that I feel sorry for
them at all. The ongoing list of 340 "solutions" just gets longer and longer.
-glurk
duckking2001, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:36 am
This fool actually tells you to post "ALL of his material", which would be copyright violation, instead of just part of it, which wouldn’t.
Also in order to sue someone for copyright violation you need to actually have your work registered with the US Copyright Office, not just typed up on your website. Shh. Don’t tell Turkmen.
AK: LOL does math count as libel? I guess thousands of possibilities is a matter of opinion as to whether that constitutes too many.
hey, even Turkman agrees. He doesn’t seem to realize that he has spoken the truth: "aren’t we able to make a distinction between a better anagram solution and a really bad one? I don’t think so."
Don’t sue me!
Glurk: "43 year old mystery solved!" yeah, that sounds better than "One year old mystery solved!" or however long it’s been since it was last solved. hahaha.
doranchak, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:02 am
Hmm, I discovered an anagram for "Ozcan Turkmen":
True Z.K. Con Man
smithy, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:12 am
D. that solution can’t be correct, since it fits the letters properly. 
doranchak, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:14 am
Oops, sorry. Should have thrown in some vaguely similar but misspelled words and phrases. And maybe some cockney rhyming slang.
AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:11 am
duckking: "Also in order to sue someone for copyright violation you need to actually have your work registered with the US Copyright Office, not just typed up on your website."
AK WILKS: Actually this is what most people think, but it is not true. A copyright is created the moment you create something. Registering with the US Copyright Office is not required, though highly advised for protection and enforcability. Another easier trick is mailing the creation to your lawyer, or even to yourself, to create a time/date proof. Certainly the copyright office is by far the best way, but it is not actually required.
Mr. Turkmen seems to have zero understanding of the "Fair Use" exception to the US copyright laws. Once you put something into the world, on the internet, it is generally subject to non-profit fair use comment, news reporting, education, research, satire and debate. Since Doranchak removed the image, everything at his site is IMO covered under fair use.
Also Mr. Turkmen may not understand the US First Amendment, which is undertandable, as Turkey and even many EU countries have nothing really comparable. He does not seem to understand that in the US there is no law requiring people to be fair, or present both sides, or not engage in strong criticism. Indeed any such law would be unconstitutional. I think Doranchak gives strong criticism, but it is well presented, based on facts, fair and reasonable, and shows the evidence for his criticism. But even if his criticism was wrong headed, mean, unfair, biased, incorrect, not fact based or whatever, he would still be well within his first amendment rights.
Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:17 pm
Dave:
Don’t worry about this guy…sounds like he’s all talk. He should be grateful that you gave him the time of day about his cipher solution….even I haven’t made it to your site with my “Poets Pen”… …seriously; we have your back Dave, keep us posted if he tries anything. Oh, nice anagram…lol…
Daniel
duckking2001, Subject: Re: Özcan Türkmen’s solution Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:16 am
AK WILKS: Actually this is what most people think, but it is not true. A copyright is created the moment you create something. Registering with the US Copyright Office is not required, though highly advised for protection and enforcability. Another easier trick is mailing the creation to your lawyer, or even to yourself, to create a time/date proof. Certainly the copyright office is by far the best way, but it is not actually required.
Sorry, That’s not entirely correct.
Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration.”
I’ve heard about a “poor man’s copyright.” What is it?
The practice of sending a copy of your own work to yourself is sometimes called a “poor man’s copyright.” There is no provision in the copyright law regarding any such type of protection, and it is not a substitute for registration.
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#what
When I was talking about the "use the whole work" as violating copyright, I was talking about fair use. You are right, Dave is clearly covered under fair use.
How much of someone else’s work can I use without getting permission?
Under the fair use doctrine of the U.S. copyright statute, it is permissible to use limited portions of a work including quotes, for purposes such as commentary, criticism, news reporting, and scholarly reports. There are no legal rules permitting the use of a specific number of words, a certain number of musical notes, or percentage of a work. Whether a particular use qualifies as fair use depends on all the circumstances. See FL 102, Fair Use, and Circular 21, Reproductions of Copyrighted Works by Educators and Librarians
