Hi jarlve and smokie. Just letting you know jarlvie I have used the transposition matrix feature for the last few weeks and made up about 75 of them and run them through . No solves 
.. was trying simple patterns trying to pick up the pivots along the way. It has worked flawlessly and will run a few more through. Great feature cheers.
smokie and Mr lowe,
I am glad that you like the new features.
I am enjoying working with the row solver. This message, the 4th one that you made for me:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 17 26 27 28 3 29 30 13 31
17 5 32 18 28 33 34 35 36 37 26 19 25 30 38 39 6
13 2 4 23 11 32 40 7 36 17 3 8 34 14 30 5 41
42 43 18 28 35 27 13 4 18 38 44 6 45 33 46 12 9
44 25 22 11 47 48 49 2 50 17 30 13 8 39 37 1 9
3 51 9 5 25 33 16 24 3 18 22 40 17 2 52 53 42
30 54 9 26 55 28 22 56 15 5 42 53 35 34 11 18 45
28 35 46 25 4 11 2 33 18 9 57 28 47 12 36 19 32
13 35 21 17 42 27 53 45 18 26 39 38 7 30 28 35 22
6 1 36 31 53 48 3 14 8 58 53 24 37 5 4 23 41
6 11 8 59 25 12 42 16 34 14 39 18 13 52 45 28 32
35 2 39 17 36 24 35 60 41 12 36 37 53 15 55 16 51
3 28 9 35 53 33 53 39 43 4 42 40 21 42 53 36 26
33 30 54 27 34 6 5 45 25 3 11 13 17 14 39 51 18
26 23 61 62 33 63 44 33 22 41 22 38 8 57 28 35 53
10 2 1 12 42 24 36 34 9 5 28 16 45 32 39 12 30
38 25 35 15 36 54 51 3 13 39 62 22 36 42 45 33 53
1 5 61 2 24 26 25 33 39 4 26 3 34 6 8 61 54
13 11 18 12 37 35 39 19 9 22 53 27 4 2 5 25 31
It is the Indianapolis Speech. Sliding an area around with the row solver I found the words, shark, black, white, then you hear that terrible high pit. I didn’t google it, I thought about it all night, knowing that I had heard those words somewhere before. I figured out what it was from memory, then googled it to confirm. I only have a very rough partial solve at this point, I am still trying to figure out what you did because there is a staggered misalignment in the un-transposed message. Not a straight misalignment, but a staggered one. Thanks.
Yes it is, well done smokie. The gift of memory.
The gift of memory.
poetic in itself ..
thats cool Jarlve
cheers
Here is the solution. But for my having seen the movie over 20 times, at least, and not an original plaintext, I would still be struggling with it. When I untransposed it I did recognize that there may be separate chunks of message, but couldn’t figure out how. I like the inscription scheme, if this is it, a lot.
That’s an interesting take smokie, I am not sure what you did though. The cipher is diagonal transposition in 16 by 22 then put in 17 by 20 and flipped.
81 68 56 46 37 29 22 16 11 7 4 2 1 109 94 80 67 111 96 82 69 57 47 38 30 23 17 12 8 5 3 125 110 95 142 127 112 97 83 70 58 48 39 31 24 18 13 9 6 141 126 173 158 143 128 113 98 84 71 59 49 40 32 25 19 14 10 157 21 189 174 159 144 129 114 99 85 72 60 50 41 33 26 20 15 35 28 205 190 175 160 145 130 115 100 86 73 61 51 42 34 27 53 44 36 221 206 191 176 161 146 131 116 101 87 74 62 52 43 76 64 54 45 236 222 207 192 177 162 147 132 117 102 88 75 63 104 90 77 65 55 250 237 223 208 193 178 163 148 133 118 103 89 135 120 105 91 78 66 263 251 238 224 209 194 179 164 149 134 119 166 151 136 121 106 92 79 275 264 252 239 225 210 195 180 165 150 197 182 167 152 137 122 107 93 286 276 265 253 240 226 211 196 181 228 213 198 183 168 153 138 123 108 296 287 277 266 254 241 227 212 256 243 229 214 199 184 169 154 139 124 305 297 288 278 267 255 242 280 269 257 244 230 215 200 185 170 155 140 313 306 298 289 279 268 300 291 281 270 258 245 231 216 201 186 171 156 320 314 307 299 290 316 309 301 292 282 271 259 246 232 217 202 187 172 326 321 315 308 328 323 317 310 302 293 283 272 260 247 233 218 203 188 331 327 322 336 333 329 324 318 311 303 294 284 273 261 248 234 219 204 335 332 340 339 337 334 330 325 319 312 304 295 285 274 262 249 235 220 338
I figured it was some type of diagonal inscription because of the 1 2 4 7 11 16 … sequence in the matrix, I made one like yours, but somehow while tracing a path through the rectangle I would up changing directions multiple times. I have a good partial solve, but because of the diagonal transposition was unable to recognize a lot of the words at first. I took apart the message to read it easier:
I updated my "flower power thing" partial "solution" post here, check it out:
viewtopic.php?f=81&t=3196&p=51896#p51896
When you finalize the latest version of the solver, could you make sure that I can paste from Excel in all modes? I was trying to use the solver this morning and for some reason it adds stuff between the symbols / numbers. Thanks.
When you finalize the latest version of the solver, could you make sure that I can paste from Excel in all modes? I was trying to use the solver this morning and for some reason it adds stuff between the symbols / numbers. Thanks.
Hey smokie,
Can you please give another example please because it seems to work fine on my end. I need to know what to look for.
I updated my "flower power thing" partial "solution" post here, check it out:
Yes, It is interesting and I will think about it. Assuming that "flowerpowerthing" is a correct fragment we should be able to come up with some symbol merges and/or regions of the cipher that are not misaligned. Here it is without expansions.
4 33 20 28 2 16 22 6 19 31 60 8 56 11 44 37 19 1 37 5 11 32 4 53 19 3 3 55 13 28 10 50 30 19 20 2 25 11 33 37 8 61 18 41 54 40 47 40 51 51 8 38 21 3 1 51 13 57 38 28 11 11 50 6 17 13 4 9 45 39 22 4 18 10 19 15 39 36 50 30 48 38 29 11 16 19 5 15 23 5 5 17 19 16 50 8 51 50 2 8 37 21 25 52 23 26 24 6 10 26 33 3 55 53 20 14 11 19 19 15 21 53 19 21 25 7 42 29 26 36 19 48 36 53 25 7 61 16 22 10 19 33 26 8 40 43 56 14 11 19 21 37 27 41 19 41 50 54 3 13 27 9 39 48 40 19 36 19 58 28 20 19 39 32 19 5 31 22 28 10 23 20 26 13 28 34 44 19 5 23 3 49 31 44 16 40 29 11 44 46 36 12 45 20 3 52 61 5 16 22 57 3 46 1 30 12 62 27 9 63 40 59 6 20 14 43 51 23 24 7 47 41 31 13 11 23 23 56 20 12 15 51 37 29 20 19 58 51 37 42 32 14 31 20 42 29 31 30 51 40 31 51 36 46 16 6 19 5 33 15 58 30 1 19 21 35 18 63 23 20 34 18 38 23 40 5 20 16 19 55 14 51 23 53 7 47 16 34 62 27 36 55 48 43 34 17 56 54 6 5 47 32 42 29 55 63 40 59 30 49 7 35 18 36 21 26 7 56 50 34 36 38 53 19 15 17 17 6 36 5
Here’s a result from the polyphone solver while allowing 8 polys for the "+" symbol, 4 for the "B" symbol and 4 for the "p" symbol. It doesn’t kill the multiplicity so much and the fragment "glowerpower" is in there.
Score: 22992.11 Ioc: 0.06520 Symbols: 76 Multiplicity: 0.22352 SFPHANTINSUREOUDAND HOLSAREESTHEDINPAYO FDRAWNSTITAARELENAT HEHOODISTSMOITSWERE INDICEYONGHERHISAND RADARDLYPRODIEOFESA SCOMMELALLYWAYONMCN AYWANTERFORTHECOULD ONANDSETOMICTINGTHE MILLISTHERBOTHOUGHR ESSUNTYOUINTOBEPAIN THEINITCOMETHISCHAR DWINSTORRESTEADYBUT ADALCSSAYSIATSANINI NGFETINGLOWERPOWERT HENASCARAWINOCONSCH OSESIMILAYSETHISWOW NLOWEDONEARESSING
Well, it is working now. I don’t know what happened last time. It kept interpreting an extra symbol between the numbers and making them all "E". A message with 17 columns would have 33 columns in the solution. I tried to covert numbers to ascii symbols, but it still did it. But like I said, it is working now. Maybe I did something to mess it up and when I re-started it it wasn’t messed up anymore.
I am definitely going to keep looking at the flowerpowerthing "solution." It seems to me kind of unlikely to have those two words together at random, especially since flower power was a Berkeley / San Francisco thing in the late 60’s. He liked to use the word "thing" a lot. And he also made references in his letters to popular phrases. Blue meanies, melvin eats blubber, etc. I have seen a lot of bogus solutions, with a lot of independent words, but this one seems to fit the situation better than most.
Thanks.
Here’s a result from the polyphone solver while allowing 8 polys for the "+" symbol, 4 for the "B" symbol and 4 for the "p" symbol. It doesn’t kill the multiplicity so much and the fragment "glowerpower" is in there.
SFPHANTINSUREOUDAND
HOLSAREESTHEDINPAYO
FDRAWNSTITAARELENAT
HEHOODISTSMOITSWERE
INDICEYONGHERHISAND
RADARDLYPRODIEOFESA
SCOMMELALLYWAYONMCN
AYWANTERFORTHECOULD
ONANDSETOMICTINGTHE
MILLISTHERBOTHOUGHR
ESSUNTYOUINTOBEPAIN
THEINITCOMETHISCHAR
DWINSTORRESTEADYBUT
ADALCSSAYSIATSANINI
NGFETINGLOWERPOWERT
HENASCARAWINOCONSCH
OSESIMILAYSETHISWOW
NLOWEDONEARESSING
THE HOOD IS is still there too. Some of the other originally found fragments are lost, but there is ORREST and parts of the word PARADICE close together, both of which may be nothing of course.
Here are the FLOWERPOWER / GLOWERPOWER symbols with p19 repeats message redrafted into 19 columns. The + and B are in there but not the backwards P. There are only 12 of the B, my symbol 20, so maybe, if a polyphone, maps to only 2 or 3 plaintext. Just an educated guess.
Jarlve/Smokie, I ran your partial solves through my "fuzzy word search" routine. Here are the results; maybe they will spur some ideas:
SFPHANTINSUREOUDAND HOLSAREESTHEDINPAYO FDRAWNSTITAARELENAT HEHOODISTSMOITSWERE INDICEYONGHERHISAND RADARDLYPRODIEOFESA SCOMMELALLYWAYONMCN AYWANTERFORTHECOULD ONANDSETOMICTINGTHE MILLISTHERBOTHOUGHR ESSUNTYOUINTOBEPAIN THEINITCOMETHISCHAR DWINSTORRESTEADYBUT ADALCSSAYSIATSANINI NGFETINGLOWERPOWERT HENASCARAWINOCONSCH OSESIMILAYSETHISWOW NLOWEDONEARESSING
https://pastebin.com/raw/shARGYue
IFTHANTICHAREOUDAR DPOLISHEESTHEDEPLA YOFDRAWNSTITAARELE RATHEHOODISTIMPATI WEREANDECESONTHERO USANDRADARDLYPRODI EOFESSECONGELSELYW ASONICNSYWANTEDFOR THECOULDONANDSETOM ACTINGTHEMALIGHTHE RBOTHOUTURETHUNTSO UANDPREPAINTHEARED COMETHISCHARDWINHT ORRENDEADSBUTADALC HWASHEATHANANINGFE TERFLOWERPOWERTHIN GSCARSWINOCONSCHOS ESIMILASSETHETWOWN LOWEDONESSESSING
https://pastebin.com/raw/nj5eYBNe
ERCHANTICTUREOUDAN DSOMEONEESTHEDIPLA YORDROWNSTATAARELE NATHEHOODISTENTATE WEREANDICESONTHERE ISANDRADARDLYPRODI EORESOFCOMPELONLYW ASONICNOYWONTERROR THECOULDINANDSETIN ACTINGTHECAMBUTTHE RBOTHOUGHRESTUNTSO UANDTHEPOINTHEANID LINETHISCHARDWANTT ORRENDEADSBUTADAMC THASTIATTANANIMPRE TINGLOWERPOWERTHIN GSCAROWANOLINSCHOS ESISAMASSETHISWOWN LOWEDONEOFESSING
https://pastebin.com/raw/D3nacwXw
The output format is as follows:
Word length, Word usage percentile, Position in plaintext, Word, Fuzzy words
Example: 7 74 126 MASONIC [ASONIC] [WASONIC]
That means:
– Word length is 7
– The word "MASONIC" is used more often than 74% of all the other words in the English dictionary I’m using.
– 126 is the position number in the input plaintext (the first position number is 0)
– "ASONIC" and "WASONIC" are the ways a fuzzy match can be made with "MASONIC"
It only considers words of length 5 and higher. And it does not allow more than one "edit mistake" in the fuzzy words. Any more than that would produce a much larger list of possible words. If you guys want, I can run it again with looser restrictions to allow more matches.
Doranchak, thanks a lot for your fuzzy word search. It would be nice to have a partial solve with at least a part of a sentence, but so far not the case. I plan on tinkering around with this one for a while since we have pretty much all of the ideas and tools to work with now. Thanks.
I have been re-tooling my manipulator spreadsheets. Here is the matrix for the FLOWERPOWER "solution", but with the words written in over the matrix. THEHOODIS, which maintains for the recent solves, goes all the way from column 17 to column 1 exactly.
