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smokie treats
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You don’t necessarily need to include a Broadwell version just for me if you don’t want to, you made a huge difference with the new programming versus the new compiler.

First 5/3

T H E D I S C O V E R Y O F T H E
C O I N P E R P L E X E D G I L E
S I T W A S C E R T A I N L Y T H
E T R I N K E T A T T A C H E D T
O T H E B A N G L E W H I C H H E
H A D G I V E N A N N E A N D H E
R E H E F O U N D I T I N T H E G
R O U N D S O F T H E P R I O R Y
T H I S W O U L D A R G U E T H A
T S H E W A S I N T H E N E I G H
B O R H O O D I N T H E H O U S E
I T M I G H T B E S H E H A D N E
V E R B E E N T O T H E P R I O R
Y W H E N L I V I N G A T T H E E
L M S C E R T A I N L Y N O T A F
T E R T H E N E W Y E A R W H E N
S H E F I R S T B E C A M E P O S
S E S S E D O F T H E C O I N H E
D E C I D E D T H E R E F O R E T
H A T A T S O M E L A T E P E R I

Null positions: 57, 60, 111, 181, 280
Skip positions: 108, 217, 275

51 7 47 11 37 20 43 44 52 53 5 24 57 62 29 54 48
49 9 21 23 38 25 51 52 1 12 40 23 47 40 53 13 59
31 14 23 15 11 3 15 26 51 45 20 10 22 55 27 20 43
32 43 20 48 44 63 15 48 63 8 51 10 36 60 24 14 18
15 34 49 11 21 26 6 11 7 53 16 50 26 1 27 41 4
35 5 24 17 10 59 59 37 19 13 36 14 21 27 14 9 53
48 12 48 28 1 38 49 39 63 2 40 21 12 30 45 13 46
10 14 50 8 43 7 15 33 14 56 37 55 47 9 54 34 25
51 35 50 38 10 39 40 42 12 52 18 35 33 16 29 27 24
6 53 57 3 13 54 17 51 31 58 29 44 4 29 1 9 52
10 34 35 14 37 25 26 59 5 52 63 20 15 11 13 54 53
13 36 24 21 3 52 53 47 52 33 34 62 14 22 15 30 45
61 3 53 60 35 52 11 46 23 20 21 19 30 15 8 13 43
4 62 14 24 1 23 15 25 41 18 15 12 13 14 1 62 3
4 7 15 53 38 9 36 8 25 3 33 45 56 34 21 21 42
54 35 45 32 40 16 11 17 18 30 23 7 36 51 27 12 13
2 46 52 37 59 14 24 63 38 41 53 26 62 15 21 10 20
39 51 24 55 9 27 21 51 22 42 33 43 11 23 29 52 10
20 21 12 44 22 18 50 35 40 13 3 14 38 23 15 45 11
12 20 53 13 14 19 62 4 21 15 11 45 13 17 57 22 37

EDIT: This is the correct message. I accidentally pasted the wrong one, and it was online for a minute or two. I deleted it.

That is really quite incredible.

 
Posted : April 3, 2018 1:03 pm
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I like to compound gains.

1. Speed up AZdecrypt.
2. Improve the substitution solver so that it does more with less.
3. Improve the period + nulls & skips solver so that it does more with less.

When improvements on all these come together very good things happen.

Thank you for the cipher. I am trying some myself. The following one seems to be of good difficulty. It is currently at 34 restarts of 10000 HC iterations and there has been only one partial solve so far and it scores under 22000. The message are some quotes from twitter.

jarlve_p20_5nulls_3skips:

1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 6  19 20 21 22 18 23 18 24 25 17 26 27 28 22 15
4  15 29 6  8  30 14 19 31 13 2  20 32 33 34 35 17
36 32 37 38 39 24 28 40 41 42 11 25 43 44 25 45 10
29 46 47 2  48 32 31 21 9  17 27 49 23 29 37 27 34
12 30 47 50 51 52 39 6  20 17 53 6  18 11 8  4  43
45 38 36 40 21 10 2  44 13 18 42 6  12 17 19 30 43
54 14 38 21 24 3  18 55 35 47 49 56 11 5  30 17 7
45 37 25 57 38 6  41 44 28 34 29 15 20 21 58 10 20
38 27 42 12 21 8  17 4  36 53 33 43 36 6  13 36 14
20 6  32 23 29 48 35 24 22 38 47 30 16 35 24 49 21
22 47 42 25 8  27 4  13 44 59 19 31 2  9  23 29 11
18 8  38 19 30 14 20 10 53 21 50 60 17 4  22 38 35
21 18 12 15 32 35 6  3  38 37 20 30 17 13 26 42 47
39 58 32 45 6  2  24 54 20 7  49 30 17 30 34 61 47
51 25 37 14 11 28 6  21 29 43 44 20 4  30 10 7  5
13 53 16 17 3  28 18 52 24 49 58 38 40 6  29 62 61
44 55 51 21 45 18 20 8  44 2  18 10 25 38 9  21 37
30 35 11 17 36 45 2  56 22 11 6  20 38 3  49 1  17
30 15 47 7  42 21 18 27 60 30 32 4  14 35 33 58 53

2,Z>J@NH.BT)K74U9
Q@WEF0QDQS&9^;04
>4:@H67W]K,EY5=*9
IYCA(S;+-"T&#R&8B
:/3,LY]F.9^<D:C^=
)63V'?(@E9O@QTH>#
8AI+FB,RKQ"@)9W6#
!7AFSZQ[*3<XTJ69N
8C&$A@-R;=:4EFGBE
A^")FH9>IO5#I@KI7
E@YD:L*S0A36U*S<F
03"&H^>KRMW],.D:T
QHAW67EBOFV%9>0A*
FQ)4Y*@ZACE69K"3
(GY8@,S!EN<696=13
'&C7T;@F:#RE>6BNJ
KOU9Z;Q?S<GA+@:P1
R['F8QEHR,QB&A.FC
6*T9I8,X0T@EAZ<29
643N"FQ^%6Y>7*5GO

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 3, 2018 1:48 pm
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FYI: no nulls at the end of my cipher jarlve_p20_5nulls_3skips. Leave it as it is.

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 3, 2018 1:53 pm
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First 3/5:

T H E Y H A D A H O U S E O F C R
Y S T A L P I L L A R S O N T H E
P L A N E T M A R S B Y T H E E D
G E O F A N E M P T Y S E A A N D
E V E R Y M O R N I N G Y O U C O
U L D S E E M R S K E A T I N G T
H E G O L D E N F R U I T S T H A
T G R E W F R O M T H E C R Y S T
A L W A L L S O R C L E A N I N G
T H E H O U S E W I T H H A N D F
U L S O F M A G N E T I C D U S T
W H I C H T A K I N G A L L D I R
T W I T H I T B L E W A W A Y O N
T H E H O T W I N D A F T E R N O
O N S W H E N T H E F O S S I L S
E A W A S W A R M A N D M O T I O
N L E S S A N D T H E W I N E T R
E E S S T O O D S T I F F I N T H
E Y A R D A N D T H E L I T T L E
D I S T A N T M A R T I A N B O N

Nulls: 46, 114, 148
Skips: 55, 186, 207, 267, 324 skipped symbols moved to the end of the message

53 62 44 20 13 58 22 54 1 55 59 61 56 57 40 14 36
15 16 10 23 50 31 17 60 32 13 21 33 24 31 25 61 22
37 2 32 14 62 26 15 53 3 40 17 63 11 20 46 61 17
50 27 28 51 61 17 52 4 51 62 1 38 18 47 50 42 15
1 23 43 8 54 24 61 1 51 52 48 55 25 33 17 3 62
15 31 61 32 40 19 22 23 40 24 49 50 56 12 4 5 44
54 38 34 13 12 18 33 58 35 54 27 63 57 14 61 1 42
2 37 11 26 34 15 43 35 16 46 51 50 1 4 55 61 37
5 37 42 39 56 1 31 2 34 46 48 63 36 41 42 17 21
30 6 27 57 46 12 11 10 35 24 33 47 44 37 49 19 34
48 61 38 28 33 39 23 35 53 50 54 1 43 4 55 29 30
46 53 9 26 13 36 14 12 15 5 23 57 24 46 59 48 7
37 16 58 25 31 53 54 20 61 1 19 38 17 27 13 55 52
49 62 50 21 2 28 14 17 22 29 3 4 19 40 12 61 19
32 28 16 41 53 17 62 57 53 9 3 23 9 33 61 54 51
34 27 19 28 1 40 39 24 43 29 52 46 36 3 11 31 4
13 51 40 37 26 54 38 18 56 14 5 59 39 53 62 29 39
58 12 62 47 28 53 17 37 54 6 8 25 17 37 9 20 25
50 39 10 51 29 41 39 32 26 55 56 33 42 14 11 12 43
57 1 53 21 18 54 46 38 40 52 41 47 13 51 62 2 48

 
Posted : April 3, 2018 2:43 pm
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Okay smokie. Thank you, that will be okay for now. The cipher I made will be perfect to improve the hill climber further. At 10000 HC iterations it only has a 2% solve rate.

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 4, 2018 12:05 am
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I have the new program installed on my Acer, and am working on the 3/3. It solved the 2/2 in just a few minutes. I will also work on the spreadsheet in upcoming days. This work week is fairly busy. I am glad that you are having fun with your new creative endeavor. I think some of the most rewarding parts of cryptanalysis is the opportunity to get creative and that is what brings us back here. I am interested in seeing how you continue to refine the art of hill climbing the detection of null and skip positions. There are likely a lot of different possibilities. I also like the idea of being involved with a planned and organized attack plan. Mostly so far we have been exploring a lot of different ideas. But this time it is different and I am looking forward to the attack, when ready. Thanks for all of your work.

 
Posted : April 4, 2018 4:15 am
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I got a good solution for the 3/3 with 13 restarts in about an hour, maybe a little longer. 10000 HC @ 50000.

Score: 23849.74 Ioc: 0.06265
Ngrams: 3770 PC-cycles: 2347

Key: Period(20) Nulls(71,113,193), Skips(123,161,203)

EACHPLAYLREEARSEI
THERLIGHTCADIUMOR
HEAVYARMORHEAVIER
ARMORSSUPPLYLARGE
RACOUNTSOFARMOREN
ERGYANDAMMUNITION
DIFFERENTARMORTYP
ESSUPPORTDIFFEREN
THEAPONSANDEQUIPM
ENTFOREXAMPLEONLY
THESEABYASCORSUPP
ORTSTHEHERBYCORTA
RBUTONLYLIGHTARMO
RSUPPORTSTHESNIPE
RRIFLEWHENDAMAGEI
SDEALTTOTHEPLAYER
BYFALLINGORBEINGH
URTBYAWEAPONARCOI
SLOSTLOSSOFALLACO
RRESULTWINTHEP
 
Posted : April 4, 2018 4:39 am
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I think that the hill climber is ready to test up to a total of 6 nulls/skips. Whenever you release your spreadsheet we can decide to take off or not. For now I probably want to reserve my workstation for improving the hill climber rather than adding to the spreadsheet but I should be able to find some time here and there.

Solve rates for jarlve_p20_5nulls_3skips:

10k HC: 1.93%
20k HC: 4.20%

Started a 40k run right now.

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 4, 2018 10:54 am
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Here is my best solve for jarlve_p20_5nulls_3skips, 76 restarts HC 10000. I can see bits and pieces of sentences enough to know it is a message. Do you have the actual positions for the nulls and skips available? I would like to compare.

Score: 21705.43 Ioc: 0.06891
Ngrams: 1289 PC-cycles: 6002

Key: Period(20) Nulls(43,118,137,194,246), Skips(70,173,231)

VESINATPROSTITUTE
ITWASNTMYFINESTHO
URANDIASNOTHINGTH
ATIMATULLASHAMEDO
FNEALLTSEDTOEESOM
ETHINGPHATWEMAYOR
MAYNOTOELROUDOFIT
SALSONOTSOSTONMET
HEORGIDUEREDEMPLA
NCEOFMCNEANDOFFIC
IALOCAIERSRELATIO
NSHIPTFTHATOFRICH
ARDDEROANAGEOFTRA
SHTHEEERSMCAFEEIS
HAPPENMNDBECAUSEO
FHATREDTOWARDSMEY
ESSHEWASAPROSTITU
TEGETNDERITPICTUR
ESPAINTATHOUSANDW
ORDSSELONTHEDAV

VESINATPROSTITUTE
ITWASNTMYFINESTHO
URAND
IASNOTHINGTH
ATI
MATULLASHAMEDO
FNEALLTSEDTOEESOM
ETHINGPHATWEMAYOR
MAYNOT
OELROUDOFIT
SALSONOTSOSTONMET
HEORGIDUEREDEMPLA
NCEOFMCNEANDOFFIC
IAL
OCAIERSRELATIO
NSHIPTFTHATOFRICH
ARDDEROANAGEOFTRA
SHTHEEERSMCAFEEIS
HAPPENMNDBECAUSEO
FHATREDTOWARDSMEY
ESSHEWASAPROSTITU
TE
GETNDERITPICTUR
ESPAINTATHOUSANDW
ORDS
SELONTHEDAV

It looks to me like the best parts are at the top and bottom, for some reason.

EDIT: Do you mean 6/6?

 
Posted : April 4, 2018 11:16 am
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Here is my best solve for jarlve_p20_5nulls_3skips, 76 restarts HC 10000. I can see bits and pieces of sentences enough to know it is a message. Do you have the actual positions for the nulls and skips available? I would like to compare.

Yes you have a partial solve, also clearly indicated by the ngrams and pc-cycles score. I did not keep the positions. The message starts with "Yes I was prostitute" and is from John McAfee’s twitter.

EDIT: Do you mean 6/6?

No, a total amount of 6.

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 4, 2018 11:38 am
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These positions should be fairly accurate, it appears to be a near perfect decryption. I do remember stacking 2 nulls next to each other (130, 131).

Score: 24083.40 Ioc: 0.06647
Ngrams: 1800 PC-cycles: 6794

Key: Period(20) Nulls(43,130,131,195,247), Skips(72,169,231)

YESIWASPROSTITUTE
ITWASNTMYFINESTHO
URANDITSNOTHINGTH
ATIMATALLASHAMEDO
FWEALLUSEDTOBESOM
ETHINGTHATWEMAYOR
MAYNOTBEPROUDOFIT
SALSONOTLOSTONMET
HEOBVIOUSRESEMBLA
NCEOFMINEANDOFFIC
IALLCAFEESRELATIO
NSHIPTOTHATOFRICH
ARDGEREAWAVEOFTRA
SHTHEEMRSMCAFEEIS
HAPPENINGBECAUSEO
FHATREDTOWARDSMEY
ESSHEWASAPROSTITU
TEGETOVERITPICTUR
ESPAINTATHOUSANDW
ORDSBELOWTHEDAY

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 4, 2018 11:42 am
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I am a little bit worried about a bias towards skips with higher nulls & skips settings in AZdecrypt. The bias is there because adding skips to a cipher typically increases the multiplicity more than removing nulls since each skip is a new symbol (64, 65, 66). This could be fixed by using the multiplicity weight setting, though I am not sure what value to use. I will do a run on a randomized 340 cipher to see how many nulls and skips are used on average. If that indicates that the bias exists figure out a multiplicity weight value that fixes it approximately. That will be more than good enough.

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 4, 2018 11:52 am
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Nulls would be intentional filler, gibberish, or a shape or hidden additional message, etc. But skips would be a mistake. I think that there would probably be a lot more nulls than skips.

 
Posted : April 4, 2018 12:00 pm
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Nulls(43,118,137,194,246), Skips(70,173,231) partial solve
Nulls(43,130,131,195,247), Skips(72,169,231) perfect or near perfect solve

I see that the positions for the partial solve are the same or really close to the positions for the perfect solve, except for the two side by side nulls. Those are a lot farther off, one by 12 positions and one by 6 positions.

 
Posted : April 4, 2018 12:04 pm
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Here is the link to the spreadsheet. I made it so anyone can view, but only you and I can edit. I used your yahoo address, so not sure if that will work. Interesting to know, otherwise p.m. me a gmail address.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1K46cg … RNVmQmMAmr

 
Posted : April 4, 2018 12:22 pm
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