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doranchak
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Here’s an interesting encryption method:

(source)

It’s basically an incremental Caesar shift that resets at the beginning of each word. I like its simplicity, and how easily it might fool us if we’re not specifically looking for it. Could have easily been done to the Z340 plaintext prior to substitution.

A fellow ACA member told me it is basically an unkeyed, simpler version of the Ragbaby cipher: http://www.dickason.com/caching/OHMIKYragbaby.html

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : December 4, 2018 3:19 pm
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I was looking at Caesars with variants (I think it’s called), but trying to impliment 14 as on the Halloween card as s shift key.

Sorry I am not very clued up on this. :oops:

 
Posted : December 4, 2018 4:06 pm
Jarlve
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Here’s an interesting encryption method:

Since every encoded word remains the same from one instance to another – "tig = the" – letter n-grams could be created from encoded text to test it.

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : December 4, 2018 5:04 pm
Jarlve
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Mystery cipher:

Z@(V)PN6#"O!%V;S^
%@IN-(3(SC3T)'N
CNG4^4%$YN^SDZ02K
I.OM1_M?U*HO?$8S
K*$4CDBU@IMB@UWDI
:I]Y&8U1K4SN&YBO5
644N9SOO9WN#NFL(>
Y5??7!G#:SA+.:/G9
G9#X6WT@<1UJQUIK;
7P7BHBNJ?D?P]I,-O
WXS<O#HZU#XF72I@
DUB/LD:"%[E6=)LBO
O0N#EN].IDN?L4Y_
_^KJ*;@I'0)>S5R4!
SDZR?@2KI1U+O?VSH
IZ!;J,Z%QBF/#U3.
'AU@(0$?U>I#=:DO@
NO6"DW*28IPOF@S'[
)F&?N;QVBU9#TS1LD
2<#F%=-;S!MBUJH3O

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : December 9, 2018 9:56 pm
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Mystery cipher:

I only tried it for a quarter of an hour. Unfortunately I don’t have the time at the moment. My (few) tests suggest that a rotation is involved (alternatively "vertical reading direction"). Unfortunately, I’m not further yet. But the cipher behaves in any case very interesting!

 
Posted : December 11, 2018 9:02 pm
smokie treats
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This is one of my favorite websites. Klaus Schmeh’s cryptography blog. He is slowly revealing, one by one, the top 50 unsolved cryptograms.

He just put the fourth part of Kryptos at #4, and has also revealed #5 to #50. The Zodiac 340, so far, is not on the list. So it is going to either not be on the list, or in the top 3. If he lists the 340, it will be interesting to read what he has to say about it. I will be watching.

http://scienceblogs.de/klausis-krypto-kolumne/

EDIT: Here is #4 to #50.

http://scienceblogs.de/klausis-krypto-k … -messages/

 
Posted : February 20, 2019 5:28 pm
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I bet z340 is in the top 3. z340 is also at the top of one of his books. A few years ago I made Klaus aware of this forum. Maybe I should send him the links to the doranchak’s videos so he can post them in his future posts.

 
Posted : February 20, 2019 11:42 pm
Jarlve
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Just two diagonal transpositions next to each other (underlying plaintext is continuous). The description rectangle was 20×17, the left and right half of which were transposed diagonally. That was transferred in 17×20 and then substituted. I’ve set 25% randomness.

klHxJMs2q+cmAsKBd
ksvDAnE3rhiysrzAf
kjBOOPeBI+h8ickde
v5DFXYj4EkfoTGrpQ
1+XSY2kAhHkZaT5LW
q+W0ivrsjlcxBJm5P
VWM+hdxqNKe+YOknP
wLLzMkt+oR+pbdCDr
c0SlTE+UumV+nYxy+
MdkA8eoIz5qtpNfr0
OqZXR8BgCi6D+WQkr
+dyvyzdRjHNFTK0Lx
GsUaJbEeIV+d5AZd+
lqKsHWBXmayFnAD8o
+zMbNQhLi3E6J0PxC
rSoRl65ZHSsrkm9Ad
SWrcUjfqB+KL7wyr2
V+xt6ucd55f1nfca+
dshA2M+WHaiEJXA30
++xY9yo+KNz0qLelJ

Hey Largo.

I’ve added this transposition to my solver for the next AZdecrypt release. It has solved your cipher and no results on the 340 so far. It can pick any set of dimensions and then make a horizontal or vertical split at any offset of which each part could have its own transposition (none, mirrored, flipped, columnars, diagonals).

Score: 24485.95 Ioc: 0.06314 Multiplicity: 0.18529
N-grams: 925 PC-cycles: 4588

Split(20*17,V,10,Diagonal(UTP,C:1A),Diagonal(UTP,C:1A))

MANIACMANSIONISAG
RAPHICADVENTUREVI
DEOGAMEDEVELOPEDA
NDPUBLISHEDBYLUCA
SFILMGAMESITFOLLO
WSTEENAGEPROTAGON
ISTDAVEMILLERASHE
ATTEMPTSTORESCUEH
ISGIRLFRIENDFROMA
MADSCIENTISTWHOSE
MINDHASBEENENSLAV
EDBYASENTIENTMETE
ORTHEPLAYERUSESAP
OINTANDCLICKINTER
FACETOGUIDEDAVEAN
DTWOOFHISSIMPLAYA
BLEFRIENDSTHROUGH
THESCIENTISTSMANS
IONWHILESOLVINGPU
ZZLESANDAVOIDINGD

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : March 3, 2019 10:19 am
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This is one of my favorite websites. Klaus Schmeh’s cryptography blog. He is slowly revealing, one by one, the top 50 unsolved cryptograms.

He just put the fourth part of Kryptos at #4, and has also revealed #5 to #50. The Zodiac 340, so far, is not on the list. So it is going to either not be on the list, or in the top 3. If he lists the 340, it will be interesting to read what he has to say about it. I will be watching.

http://scienceblogs.de/klausis-krypto-kolumne/

EDIT: Here is #4 to #50.

http://scienceblogs.de/klausis-krypto-k … -messages/

The Somerton man code number 5. my take is that it is ship to ship 1930 40 ish two letter (maritime) international code of signals. Signals can be sent by flag hoist, signal lamp ("blinker"), flag semaphore, radiotelegraphy. AB = abandon ship D means negative small c means affirmative ETC..
not really a secret code in my opinion. just written in the heat of the moment (sea battle?) and more legible to the writer although i believe i have worked out most of it IMO. i have worked on it extensively. cheers

 
Posted : March 3, 2019 12:23 pm
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Hi Jarlve,

I’ve added this transposition to my solver for the next AZdecrypt release. It has solved your cipher and no results on the 340 so far. It can pick any set of dimensions and then make a horizontal or vertical split at any offset of which each part could have its own transposition (none, mirrored, flipped, columnars, diagonals).

Wow, that’s really cool! Thank you for remembering this transposition idea.

Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator

 
Posted : March 3, 2019 4:23 pm
smokie treats
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I’ve added this transposition to my solver for the next AZdecrypt release. It has solved your cipher and no results on the 340 so far. It can pick any set of dimensions and then make a horizontal or vertical split at any offset of which each part could have its own transposition (none, mirrored, flipped, columnars, diagonals).

Jarlve, I am glad you are still working on these ideas. I have been working on a similar idea but it is not ready for prime time yet. Maybe in weeks. I will let you know. Maybe you will like it. I will be back.

 
Posted : March 3, 2019 5:36 pm
Jarlve
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Wow, that’s really cool! Thank you for remembering this transposition idea.

It was on my to do list but getting there… Thank you for coming up with it.

Jarlve, I am glad you are still working on these ideas. I have been working on a similar idea but it is not ready for prime time yet. Maybe in weeks. I will let you know. Maybe you will like it. I will be back.

Sure thing smokie.

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : March 3, 2019 9:32 pm
Jarlve
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Mystery cipher:

Z@(V)PN6#"O!%V;S^
%@IN-(3(SC3T)'N
CNG4^4%$YN^SDZ02K
I.OM1_M?U*HO?$8S
K*$4CDBU@IMB@UWDI
:I]Y&8U1K4SN&YBO5
644N9SOO9WN#NFL(>
Y5??7!G#:SA+.:/G9
G9#X6WT@<1UJQUIK;
7P7BHBNJ?D?P]I,-O
WXS<O#HZU#XF72I@
DUB/LD:"%[E6=)LBO
O0N#EN].IDN?L4Y_
_^KJ*;@I'0)>S5R4!
SDZR?@2KI1U+O?VSH
IZ!;J,Z%QBF/#U3.
'AU@(0$?U>I#=:DO@
NO6"DW*28IPOF@S'[
)F&?N;QVBU9#TS1LD
2<#F%=-;S!MBUJH3O

What I did here was an L-route transposition (after homophonic). Something I saw in a manual. Because the transposition happened after sequential homophonic substitution there are some hints here and there.

Example matrix:

1   37  71  103 133 161 187 211 233 253 271 287 301 313 323 331 337
2   38  72  104 134 162 188 212 234 254 272 288 302 314 324 332 338
3   39  73  105 135 163 189 213 235 255 273 289 303 315 325 333 339
4   40  74  106 136 164 190 214 236 256 274 290 304 316 326 334 340
5   41  75  107 137 165 191 215 237 257 275 291 305 317 327 335 336
6   42  76  108 138 166 192 216 238 258 276 292 306 318 328 329 330
7   43  77  109 139 167 193 217 239 259 277 293 307 319 320 321 322
8   44  78  110 140 168 194 218 240 260 278 294 308 309 310 311 312
9   45  79  111 141 169 195 219 241 261 279 295 296 297 298 299 300
10  46  80  112 142 170 196 220 242 262 280 281 282 283 284 285 286
11  47  81  113 143 171 197 221 243 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270
12  48  82  114 144 172 198 222 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252
13  49  83  115 145 173 199 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232
14  50  84  116 146 174 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210
15  51  85  117 147 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186
16  52  86  118 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160
17  53  87  119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132
18  54  88  89  90  91  92  93  94  95  96  97  98  99  100 101 102
19  55  56  57  58  59  60  61  62  63  64  65  66  67  68  69  70
20  21  22  23  24  25  26  27  28  29  30  31  32  33  34  35  36

Added the operation to my transposition solver:

Restart: 1 Hill climber: 113/5000 @ 500000
Score: 24518.66 Ioc: 0.06453 Multiplicity: 0.18529
N-grams: 394 PC-cycles: 1248

L-route(17*20,UTP,C:2)

ASPOSSIBLYTHECOOL
ESTGRANDMAONTHEIN
TERNETYOUMAYWELLH
AVEALREADYHEARDOF
SHIRLEYCURRYSHESA
NEIGHTYTWOYEAROLD
YOUTUBERWHOPRIMAR
ILYRECORDSHERSELF
PLAYINGSKYRIMANDH
ASPRETTYMUCHWONTH
EHEARTSOFEVERYONE
INTHEELDERSCROLLS
COMMUNITYREFERRIN
GTOHERSUBSCRIBERS
ASGRANDKIDSSHEGOE
SOUTOFHERWAYTOREP
LYTOEVERYCOMMENTO
NHERVIDEOSANDHERL
ETSPLAYSAREBASICA
LLYTHEMOSTWHOLESO

The PC-cycles (plain text to cipher text cycle score) is only 1248 as you can see. Because the cipher text was transposed after homophonic as stated earlier. If you then go to Solver options within AZdecrypt and change "(Substitution + transposition) PC-cycles, use untransposed texts" to 0 it then correctly matches the cycles resulting in a much higher PC-cycles score:

Restart: 1 Hill climber: 3/5000 @ 500000
Score: 24518.66 Ioc: 0.06453 Multiplicity: 0.18529
N-grams: 394 PC-cycles: 19634

L-route(17*20,UTP,C:2)

ASPOSSIBLYTHECOOL
ESTGRANDMAONTHEIN
TERNETYOUMAYWELLH
AVEALREADYHEARDOF
SHIRLEYCURRYSHESA
NEIGHTYTWOYEAROLD
YOUTUBERWHOPRIMAR
ILYRECORDSHERSELF
PLAYINGSKYRIMANDH
ASPRETTYMUCHWONTH
EHEARTSOFEVERYONE
INTHEELDERSCROLLS
COMMUNITYREFERRIN
GTOHERSUBSCRIBERS
ASGRANDKIDSSHEGOE
SOUTOFHERWAYTOREP
LYTOEVERYCOMMENTO
NHERVIDEOSANDHERL
ETSPLAYSAREBASICA
LLYTHEMOSTWHOLESO

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : March 5, 2019 9:18 pm
smokie treats
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Jarlve, I am glad you are still working on these ideas. I have been working on a similar idea but it is not ready for prime time yet. Maybe in weeks. I will let you know. Maybe you will like it. I will be back.

Sure thing smokie.

I messed around with the matrix unfolding idea, but it isn’t working out too well.

The L route idea is really cool. I am still trying to figure out a route that does P19 and pivots.

I have a new encoder spreadsheet. I can designate and it will use exactly the number of symbols that I tell it to. No more approximations. Diffusion is very precise, and I can also very precisely modify the efficiency of the key. I can designate one symbol as a poly, or a 1:1, and set a target symbol count, and it will come as close as possible. I can set default any isometric cycle pattern that I want for any size homophone group. Make perfect cycles, all random, randomization by area, and even random except no repeat the last symbol. And combinations of the above for any letter of the alphabet, and make different letters act differently. I am using it now to try to find a good model for 26 L=2 and similar AB cycles.

 
Posted : March 6, 2019 11:00 pm
buyerninety
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Smokie treats –
viewtopic.php?f=81&t=907&p=69052#p68412
Can you lock specific positions to a specific letter, e.g.
‘IGIVETHEM , Z340#9 ‘I’ locked to be its plaintext ‘I’ (i.e. no action will be
taken on a specific position where [it is believed]
no decipherment step is necessary for that position).

 
Posted : March 7, 2019 10:54 am
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