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Jarlve
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And what I came up with at 0.37 MIPS for 10 hours. The Acer is locked up right now.

Here is a current build of AZdecrypt 1.15 with the much faster and improved row bound solver: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YUKgz … hHCc0yE25y

It needs the base 1.14 install to work. Also put all the files of N-gram folder in this zip in your existing N-gram folder and if Windows ask to overwrite or replace do so.

Let me know how it goes. I still need to look into your analysis, it looks interesting.

I recently wrote a thing that tries to guess word breaks and here’s what it got for your solves:

Cool! Can we see that on the 408?

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 8, 2019 5:55 pm
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I recently wrote a thing that tries to guess word breaks and here’s what it got for your solves:

Cool! Can we see that on the 408?

Test string: ILIKEKILLINGPEOPLEBECAUSEITISSOMUCHFUNITISMOREFUNTHANKILLINGWILDGAMEINTHEFORRESTBECAUSEMANISTHEMOATDANGERTUEANAMALOFALLTOKILLSOMETHINGGIVESMETHEMOATTHRILLINGEXPERENCEITISEVENBETTERTHANGETTINGYOURROCKSOFFWITHAGIRLTHEBESTPARTOFITIATHAEWHENIDIEIWILLBEREBORNINPARADICESNDALLTHEIHAVEKILLEDWILLBECOMEMYSLAVESIWILLNOTGIVEYOUMYNAMEBECAUSEYOUWILLTRYTOSLOIDOWNORSTOPMYCOLLECTINGOFSLAVESFORMYAFTERLIFEEBEORIETEMETHHPITI

Guessed breaks: I LIKE KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH FUN IT IS MORE FUN THAN KILLING WILD GAME IN THE FOR REST BECAUSE MAN IS THE MOAT DANGER TUE AN AMAL OF ALL TO KILL SOMETHING GIVES ME THE MOAT THRILLING EXPERENCE IT IS EVEN BETTER THAN GETTING YOUR ROCKS OFF WITH A GIRL THE BEST PART OF ITIA THAE WHEN I DIE I WILL BE REBORN IN PARADICES ND ALL THE I HAVE KILLED WILL BE COME MY SLAVES I WILL NOT GIVE YOU MY NAME BECAUSE YOU WILL TRY TO SLOIDOWN OR STOP MY COLLECTING OF SLAVES FOR MY AFTER LIFE EBEORIETE METHHPITI

http://zodiackillerciphers.com

 
Posted : April 8, 2019 6:28 pm
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American Short Stories has 127 messages with one pivot, and 17 messages with two pivots in the plaintext, not transposed.

Then I inscribed the messages into this grid, P16 diagonally up LRBT.

001 003 006 010 015 021 028 036 045 055 066 078 091 105 120 136 153
002 005 009 014 020 027 035 044 054 065 077 090 104 119 135 152 170
004 008 013 019 026 034 043 053 064 076 089 103 118 134 151 169 187
007 012 018 025 033 042 052 063 075 088 102 117 133 150 168 186 204
011 017 024 032 041 051 062 074 087 101 116 132 149 167 185 203 220
016 023 031 040 050 061 073 086 100 115 131 148 166 184 202 219 235
022 030 039 049 060 072 085 099 114 130 147 165 183 201 218 234 249
029 038 048 059 071 084 098 113 129 146 164 182 200 217 233 248 262
037 047 058 070 083 097 112 128 145 163 181 199 216 232 247 261 274
046 057 069 082 096 111 127 144 162 180 198 215 231 246 260 273 285
056 068 081 095 110 126 143 161 179 197 214 230 245 259 272 284 295
067 080 094 109 125 142 160 178 196 213 229 244 258 271 283 294 304
079 093 108 124 141 159 177 195 212 228 243 257 270 282 293 303 312
092 107 123 140 158 176 194 211 227 242 256 269 281 292 302 311 319
106 122 139 157 175 193 210 226 241 255 268 280 291 301 310 318 325
121 138 156 174 192 209 225 240 254 267 279 290 300 309 317 324 330
137 155 173 191 208 224 239 253 266 278 289 299 308 316 323 329 334
154 172 190 207 223 238 252 265 277 288 298 307 315 322 328 333 337
171 189 206 222 237 251 264 276 287 297 306 314 321 327 332 336 339
188 205 221 236 250 263 275 286 296 305 313 320 326 331 335 338 340

And I was very surprised that this actually greatly reduces the number of pivots. It is just the plaintext, not encoded.

There were only 54 messages with one pivot, and 1 messages with three pivots. So, writing diagonally reduces pivots, and does not make them more probable for some reason, irregardless of the encoding.

The above is only for P16, P32 and P48, or this

….A
….B
….C
ABC

and this

.ABC
C
B
A

I will work on P18, P36 and P54, the other two directions, with the same matrix tomorrow.

 
Posted : April 9, 2019 3:13 am
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And what I came up with at 0.37 MIPS for 10 hours. The Acer is locked up right now.

Here is a current build of AZdecrypt 1.15 with the much faster and improved row bound solver: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YUKgz … hHCc0yE25y

It needs the base 1.14 install to work. Also put all the files of N-gram folder in this zip in your existing N-gram folder and if Windows ask to overwrite or replace do so.

Let me know how it goes. I still need to look into your analysis, it looks interesting.

Thank you very much.

Here are the final results for American Short Stories, matrix posted above.

P16, P32, P48 pivots in cleartext not transposed
127 messages with one pivot
17 messages with two pivots

P16, P32, P48 pivots in cleartext drafted LRBT diagonally P16
54 messages with one pivot
1 messages with three pivots

P18, P36, P54 pivots in cleartext not transposed
129 messages with one pivot
11 messages with two pivots
6 messages with three pivots

P18, P36, P54 pivots in cleartext drafted LRBT diagonally P16
133 messages with one pivot
11 messages with two pivots
1 messages with three pivots

I do not think that I have an error with the P16, P32, P48 pivots in cleartext drafted LRBT diagonally P16 test. Maybe the lower pivot counts because the letters must be tied to each other in an ngram for each pivot pair, like OO, A_A, and E__E, and line up into a pivot, whereas for the other tests the letters do not have to be tied to each other.

 
Posted : April 9, 2019 4:58 pm
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I recently wrote a thing that tries to guess word breaks and here’s what it got for your solves:

Cool! Can we see that on the 408?

Test string: ILIKEKILLINGPEOPLEBECAUSEITISSOMUCHFUNITISMOREFUNTHANKILLINGWILDGAMEINTHEFORRESTBECAUSEMANISTHEMOATDANGERTUEANAMALOFALLTOKILLSOMETHINGGIVESMETHEMOATTHRILLINGEXPERENCEITISEVENBETTERTHANGETTINGYOURROCKSOFFWITHAGIRLTHEBESTPARTOFITIATHAEWHENIDIEIWILLBEREBORNINPARADICESNDALLTHEIHAVEKILLEDWILLBECOMEMYSLAVESIWILLNOTGIVEYOUMYNAMEBECAUSEYOUWILLTRYTOSLOIDOWNORSTOPMYCOLLECTINGOFSLAVESFORMYAFTERLIFEEBEORIETEMETHHPITI

Guessed breaks: I LIKE KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH FUN IT IS MORE FUN THAN KILLING WILD GAME IN THE FOR REST BECAUSE MAN IS THE MOAT DANGER TUE AN AMAL OF ALL TO KILL SOMETHING GIVES ME THE MOAT THRILLING EXPERENCE IT IS EVEN BETTER THAN GETTING YOUR ROCKS OFF WITH A GIRL THE BEST PART OF ITIA THAE WHEN I DIE I WILL BE REBORN IN PARADICES ND ALL THE I HAVE KILLED WILL BE COME MY SLAVES I WILL NOT GIVE YOU MY NAME BECAUSE YOU WILL TRY TO SLOIDOWN OR STOP MY COLLECTING OF SLAVES FOR MY AFTER LIFE EBEORIETE METHHPITI

Works very well!

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 9, 2019 5:44 pm
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I don’t know, but it has been two years and I am still wondering about this. See below left, the pivots, and all cells highlighted for P16, P32 and P48 unigram repeats, totaling 48 cells. On the right, the herringbone pattern of P16 RLBT repeats that have the same symbols as P19. I keep wondering if this is some type of transparency.

I am trying to catch up smokie. I know you have talked about these patterns before.

So the special thing about the combined period 16, 32 and 48 unigram repeats is that they highlight the pivots right?

And the special thing about the herringbone pattern is that the period 19 bigram repeats make up diagonal lines that repeat on a period of 3 right?

Just to make sure I am on track before I start thinking about it.

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 9, 2019 6:04 pm
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I don’t know, but it has been two years and I am still wondering about this. See below left, the pivots, and all cells highlighted for P16, P32 and P48 unigram repeats, totaling 48 cells. On the right, the herringbone pattern of P16 RLBT repeats that have the same symbols as P19. I keep wondering if this is some type of transparency.

I am trying to catch up smokie. I know you have talked about these patterns before.

So the special thing about the combined period 16, 32 and 48 unigram repeats is that they highlight the pivots right?

And the special thing about the herringbone pattern is that the period 19 bigram repeats make up diagonal lines that repeat on a period of 3 right?

Just to make sure I am on track before I start thinking about it.

Yes, P16, 32 and 48 unigram repeats make pivots that face upper left and lower right, and P18, 36 and 54 unigram repeats make pivots that face lower left or upper right.

How to observe the strange herringbone pattern

1. Make a list of all 321 P19 LRTB bigrams.
2. Read the message RLBT and make a list of all PX bigrams where X goes from 1 to however high you want to go.
3. Cross check the two lists, and the PX RLBT list that has more of the same matching symbols as on the P19 bigram list is P16 RLBT (or P-16). There is a spike.
4. Highlight all P16 RLBT cells with the matching symbols involved, and you can see the strange pattern.

 
Posted : April 9, 2019 10:04 pm
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can you post up a heat map smokey

 
Posted : April 10, 2019 1:50 am
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can you post up a heat map smokey

What kind of heatmap? What do you mean?

 
Posted : April 10, 2019 3:48 am
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can you post up a heat map smokey

What kind of heatmap? What do you mean?

something along these lines.. when you did a heat map after we swapped lines 14 and 20.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r … GhTbkNpdDQ

 
Posted : April 10, 2019 4:36 pm
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can you post up a heat map smokey

What kind of heatmap? What do you mean?

something along these lines.. when you did a heat map after we swapped lines 14 and 20.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5r0r … GhTbkNpdDQ

I don’t have a heatmap for this, but I did separate the P19 symbols and the P-16 symbols, and checked for ABAB cycles reading LRTB. There was nothing of note.

 
Posted : April 11, 2019 4:57 pm
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How to observe the strange herringbone pattern

1. Make a list of all 321 P19 LRTB bigrams.
2. Read the message RLBT and make a list of all PX bigrams where X goes from 1 to however high you want to go.
3. Cross check the two lists, and the PX RLBT list that has more of the same matching symbols as on the P19 bigram list is P16 RLBT (or P-16). There is a spike.
4. Highlight all P16 RLBT cells with the matching symbols involved, and you can see the strange pattern.

I have not looked into it yet but does your method have a typical function besides revealing the herringbone pattern? Or did you find it with experimentation? How does it look for the 408?

Are there not 339 period 19 bigrams?

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 11, 2019 8:57 pm
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How to observe the strange herringbone pattern

1. Make a list of all 321 P19 LRTB bigrams.
2. Read the message RLBT and make a list of all PX bigrams where X goes from 1 to however high you want to go.
3. Cross check the two lists, and the PX RLBT list that has more of the same matching symbols as on the P19 bigram list is P16 RLBT (or P-16). There is a spike.
4. Highlight all P16 RLBT cells with the matching symbols involved, and you can see the strange pattern.

I have not looked into it yet but does your method have a typical function besides revealing the herringbone pattern? Or did you find it with experimentation? How does it look for the 408?

Are there not 339 period 19 bigrams?

See the function below, which happens to show a herringbone pattern. The fact that these rows are evenly spaced freaks me out. It looks like a transparency of some kind. See on the left, the 340 P19 bigrams that have symbols that match P-16 bigrams, and on the right, the 340 P-16 bigrams that have symbols that match P19 bigrams. I made a big black box around a couple of examples.

I will have to check the 408 when I get home, later. Maybe tommorrow morning. I would check all negative periods against P1, and highlight the cells of the spike. Good question.

321+19=340.

I didn’t get a solve, but I think that you should be aware of it.

 
Posted : April 11, 2019 9:35 pm
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Here is the 340 cast into 16 columns, and the highlighted cells are P-16 that have the same symbols as P19. You can see the evenly spaced columns, which reminds me of what Largo was doing sort of. The idea is some sort of scytale, but with a lot of zig and some zag. P19 is going down, but P-16 is going up.

Here is a new and improved matrix, so you can make your own herringbone patterns if you want.

171 180 230 188 195 236 202 208 245 213 217 257 221 224 272 226 227
162 229 172 181 235 189 196 244 203 209 256 214 218 271 222 225 289
228 154 163 234 173 182 243 190 197 255 204 210 270 215 219 288 223
137 146 233 155 164 242 174 183 254 191 198 269 205 211 287 216 220
128 232 138 147 241 156 165 253 175 184 268 192 199 286 206 212 305
231 120 129 240 139 148 252 157 166 267 176 185 285 193 200 304 207
103 112 239 121 130 251 140 149 266 158 167 284 177 186 303 194 201
094 238 104 113 250 122 131 265 141 150 283 159 168 302 178 187 318
237 086 095 249 105 114 264 123 132 282 142 151 301 160 169 317 179
069 078 248 087 096 263 106 115 281 124 133 300 143 152 316 161 170
060 247 070 079 262 088 097 280 107 116 299 125 134 315 144 153 328
246 052 061 261 071 080 279 089 098 298 108 117 314 126 135 327 145
036 044 260 053 062 278 072 081 297 090 099 313 109 118 326 127 136
029 259 037 045 277 054 063 296 073 082 312 091 100 325 110 119 335
258 023 030 276 038 046 295 055 064 311 074 083 324 092 101 334 111
013 018 275 024 031 294 039 047 310 056 065 323 075 084 333 093 102
009 274 014 019 293 025 032 309 040 048 322 057 066 332 076 085 339
273 006 010 292 015 020 308 026 033 321 041 049 331 058 067 338 077
002 004 291 007 011 307 016 021 320 027 034 330 042 050 337 059 068
001 290 003 005 306 008 012 319 017 022 329 028 035 336 043 051 340

And here is the first 340 of the 408, P-34 has the most in common with P1, but not as much as P-16 has in common with P19 of the 340, and that is also with fewer symbols. Cast into 34 columns below, and no evenly spaced columns.

 
Posted : April 12, 2019 5:05 pm
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Not convinced if it is anything smokie.

I generated images versus all the other periods and I see patterns everywhere: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iY9Xq … InKKZKuknw

An example of the 408:

AZdecrypt

 
Posted : April 12, 2019 8:08 pm
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