AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:26 am

Who is ZAK? For a minute I thought you were implying that ZAK was AK, i.e., me. I am not the Zodiac. I might be a good suspect, but I was about 2 years old at the time. Try as a I might, I just could not hold a Luger steady in my hand!

So who is ZAK?

Here is the wiki page edit history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit … on=history

I have to tell you IMO you are going down a very bad road when you start to hint that Zodiac, or a member of your Team Zodiac, is alive and changing wiki pages to cover up your theory.

Your anagram work is interesting, but your solutions are only one of hundreds, sometimes thousands of possible solutions. I used to do a lot of anagram work but mostly gave it up. Police are not interested and most Z researchers have seen too many different anagram solutions from the same material. Most anagram stuff is too speculative. You say it means one thing, but scramble the letters, and you can get Allen, Jack, Ted, Kane or many other names.

I will tell you one of the problems I am having, and I think others may be having, is that we don’t know much or anything about James K Stephen. He is a somewhat obscure English poet. He is not very prominent as a Ripper suspect, just one of about 30 names that are discussed as a suspect, and I see no hard evidence he was the Ripper, and so called experts dismiss him on the basis of Cambridge records.

So far a layperson coming to your theory, they have to know something about who Stephen was, why you think he was the Ripper, how Zodiac would deduce he was the Ripper before his name appeared in print as such, why Zodiac would give codes and clues not about himself but about Stephen, and what evidence shows Zodiac mentioned Stephen.

Perhaps you are on to something significant, but if you want more people to respond, I think you may have to give us more background and explain your evidence in detail. Perhaps I am just not understanding what you are trying to say.

Also, after I asked some questions but had nothing else to say, you asked me for a reply, that is why I posted above. I have spent weeks working on an idea only to have it mostly ignored or not treated with the acclaim and interest I think it deserved. This is a fairly small private board, really about 15 very active members, another 15 or 25 who chime in from time to time. If you want more reaction and discussion you could try a public board. Though IMHO this is the best Z board with the best members. I have found that when I ask the board "Why didn’t more of you respond to my work", I get an answer that people didn’t like it, didn’t agree with it or didn’t understand it, so to be polite they didn’t say anything.

I am happy that about a dozen people seem to have a strong interest in my work on the case, supplemented by several dozen others who may find parts of it interesting, plus I have got a little mainstream attention, mainly on Tylenol, from newspapers and TV shows. But that modest level of intererest comes after 20 years on the case, and four years of very intense research and writing, many times making mistakes, corrections and dropping bad ideas or concepts that were shown to me to be likely incorrect.

Sometimes I think I have made real progress on the case, discovered new evidence, unlocked some secrets of the codes. Other times I think I have achieved nothing and this has been a huge waste of time. Then I think, "well, it was fun, I learned some things and made some friends. I will let history judge my work, or ignore it. There are more important things in life."

Will the case be solved? Has the DNA of TK been taken, or will it ever be taken? Will there ever be concrete DNA from the Zodiac to compare it to? I don’t know, and who knows, I may be wrong on parts or a lot of my research.

In other words keep an open mind that you may be wrong on one or more points.

You would have to ask members why more have not commented in depth on your work. I suspect it is because it is very complex.

I think you are a nice guy, good person and great researcher. I consider you a friend and have helped you many times in the past and will do so again.

Your early work on JTR matches to Z and the Sacred Nine and 369 clues I thought was quite amazing.

But I just don’t think Stephen was JTR and I don’t see the evidence that Z gave Stephen clues and codes. You asked me my opinion, there it is. I remain open to ideas, but I gotta see the evidence.

IMO and based on known facts, Ted was not into the occult, or James Stephen, and he did not know Richard Gaikowski. Had he ever met Gaikowski, he would have been more likely to want to kill him as he was a liberal leftist collectivist, than to become partners in crime.

I did find Stephen mentioning "RK" in a poem interesting, in re the "RSK" on a Penn State wooden chair at time of Aardsma murder, but later realized the "RK" was a shot at Rudyard Kipling. There are other interesting things about Stephen, but your read of his work is only one of many possible reads.

Much of your work is very interesting, but I guess I don’t agree with large parts of it and I think other parts I don’t understand.

smithy, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:45 am

I just could not hold a Luger steady in my hand!

Trying to throw us off the trail again eh, Zodiac? That was a Browning you had!

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:49 am

I just could not hold a Luger steady in my hand!

Trying to throw us off the trail again eh, Zodiac? That was a Browning you had!

I’ll never tell…

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:21 pm

Ak,

Zak, is Zakatarious…Gold Catcher…Blaine T. Blaine…

There is no anagraming in the JKSTEPHENOVAL decryption only a shift of the RJI hook.

I enjoy your work and when I don’t reply doesn’t mean I’m not getting or supporting your theory; sometimes I don’t have anything to add.

Thanks for posting the edit history.

I don’t think Crowley or the Dawn are evil. I actually enjoy there beliefs, does that make me bad or evil, hell no…”DO WHAT THOU WILT”

Jks is not JTR I get that from you…the Zodiac parodied not only the “POET” jks Stephanus in the Z340 he used the JTR JACK PORNS, JTR letter… the “9 jack” remember same date as Stine letter (PL)ACE…ECT…

A small antique book shop in the mid 60’s “wouldn’t” have been very busy…probably no bigger than a coffee house…you better believe people walking in and out of there, would have known each other….we are not talking about a bussling walmarts are we…

Its funny you mention Kippling…I will post in a couple days about “H RYDER HAGGARD”

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:28 pm

This place is like a ghost town…what up everyone…to spark some life into this forum. I’ll post this idea so you can have something to do today.

I still believe the 4 line “Poets Pen” 68 characters are correct…however if there is a second solution I have been doggedly searching for it.

Here is the idea: the 3 part cipher is called the 408 for its 408 characters. The Z340 has 340 characters, if you add 68 characters to that, you have 408 see where I’m going with this…lol…

What is below is equal to what is above and what is above is equal to what is below to complete the miracle of one…

This herms saying is from “Emerald Tablet”…

I tried by taking the bottom 4 lines of the Z340 and placing it on the top lines of the Z340 to complete the Z408…

I reversed the ascii again and ran it all night :

I hit a 42,000 score with plenty of text. However, there are 792 patterns…???…I don’t know if that’s bad or good…I need help from my fellow cipher deities…lol..

Its an idea, work with me guys…here is the ascii…it could be 68 characters from the 408, maybe the top 4 lines or the bottom 4… or ???

RÃT$L²°C<=FÌWBI£L
{}£WC¤WÃPOSHT/¢£Ð
IFËÄW<½ÔB¸yOB»-CÃ
>MDHNÐËS¤ZO¾AIKƒ+
HER>ÐÌ^VPËI²LTG±Ä
NÐaB¢•OºDWy•<»KÆ£
BŸ„ÃMeuZGW¢£L•¤HJ
SÐн^̾»V´ÐOghRK±
¸¼Mi¤ÔÊÄIµFPmˆ³Ë/
оR^FÌO-»ÄCËF>±D¢
•µnKѺƒ±uÃXGV•¤LI
¢G±JÆÊ•Oo¸Ny¤r¹L¼
Ä<MsÂuZR±FBßA°³K
-¤ÌuVv^JwOн<FBŸ-
uxR/µÔEIDyBÐÂTMKO
±<ÃÌRJI»µT³M•QˆBF
¤°¼SŸ•0NIµFB⃾R
ÌGFN^Ƶ±³Â•ÃV³Ô`~
ŸBX²»„³¼CE>VuZµ-!
IÕ´¤BK¢OÐ^•ÆMÑG±
RÃT$L²°C<=FÌWBI£L
{}£WC¤WÃPOSHT/¢£Ð
IFËÄW<½ÔB¸yOB»-CÃ
>MDHNÐËS¤ZO¾AIKƒ+

D Gillotti 9

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:20 pm

It an interesting idea and a good try. I don’t know what the scores mean, if anything, you would have to ask Doranchak.

Many people (including me) have looked at if the 340 could be a two part or multi part cipher. See:

http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … art-cipher

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:00 am

Thanks Ak,

At a 42, 000 or better score, readable text should be present. There were a lot of readable sentences but I didn’t push the issue because I wanted Dave O or Smithy, Auth or anyone to comment about the 792 patterns.

I know the top 4 and the bottom 4 will duplicate the same text but it’s the 16 lines in between is where I’m concerned and where the solution could possibly be.

It’s pretty neat how the Z340 is 68 characters away from being a 408 cipher…I’m telling you guys… the 4 lines 68 character “Poets Pen” is very important.

I don’t know why Dave O and the others are giving me the silent treatment. I know how it feels when you post ideas and no response in return…I haven’t heard from anyone and even before I posted Gaik Krot decry’s into Hail Soul, Teds cabin code idea…ETC …I hope I didn’t piss someone off…???

Ak, that link you sent me is interesting about a two part cipher …the “I O f” is back to back in a 8 line sequence is interesting. Especially how the RJI hook is within the 1st 8 lines…hmmm I’m getting more ideas…lol…

Daniel

glurk, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:08 am

Daniel-

Saying that "At a 42, 000 or better score, readable text should be present." is not really accurate. It’s rather complicated, actually. The ZKD score is essentially a summation or an addition of n-gram counts.
But they are not normalized. Simply put, higher scores are better. But it is more than that, too. For one thing, the score depends on the length of the cipher. But a mere summation doesn’t work well, from testing,
so it also uses IoC (Index of Coincidence), Entropy, and Chi2 modifiers.

What I mean by this is that a plaintext of "THETHEETHETHEETHETHETHETHEE" might have a high score using mere n-gram score addition, but would obviously be a wrong solution. That’s why the other factors are
considered. The scoring algorithm is tuned to try to find valid text, but it is a difficult problem. It could probably be tuned better, but it is more art than science. What ZKD uses is a "best attempt" at scoring.

It’s not easy to define a "best score" for any cipher. But in general (and it is rough) you can multiply the cipher length by 105 to get some idea of a good score.

So, on the 408, 408×105= 42840 and on the 340, 340×105=35700. But it DEPENDS! The scoring of ZKD was never meant to be used to compare one cipher with another. It is internal to the program.

In hindsight, it may have been better to not display it at all.

-glurk

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:41 am

Hi glurk:

Thanks for responding and I get what you’re saying. I look at it this way. I can see the 408 cipher solve in 3 to 5 seconds using you amazing ZKD tool. Within the 5 seconds the score is at 42, 000…I need this to compare to the Z340 because frankly, that’s all we have to compare it to.

There something hokey going on with the Z340 to not solve like the 408…this mean trying to figure out why…I’m just trying to throw ideas out there and where I may have missed something, someone may see something or come up with another idea…

I really believe we have enough on the Z340 to decipher it now…the problem is we need to work together. Meaning, I’m good at what I do…if you, Dave, Auth, Smithy are willing, I’ll post everything I have and other ideas to help coax out a possible solution.

Daniel

doranchak, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:58 am

I don’t know why Dave O and the others are giving me the silent treatment. I know how it feels when you post ideas and no response in return…I haven’t heard from anyone and even before I posted Gaik Krot decry’s into Hail Soul, Teds cabin code idea…ETC …I hope I didn’t piss someone off…???

Honestly, here are the reasons I haven’t yet responded:

1) You have asked me to analyze your code work in the past. I have done so, and my conclusion every time is that there are many problems with your approach. The main problem is that you are seeing patterns in noise, which is a very common and unfortunate mistake. Numerous patterns such as the ones you present are very simple to extract from the Zodiac material using the methods you’ve presented. I think that you don’t agree with my conclusions, so you’ve continued to present your code work with the expectation of some sort of validation.

2) Analyzing your claims is time consuming. I actually enjoy trying to work through such claims, figuring out which ideas have merit and which don’t, because it generally serves an educational purpose on some level (for me, for you, and perhaps to others). And I believe all ideas should be expressed and analyzed. But I have other items on my to-do list that are higher priority at the moment.

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:47 pm

Thanks Dave:

I really appreciate all of your hard work, the cipher tools you and the others have created. You guys made these tools for everyone, not just computer and math scientist to play with…you made these for the average person to use…you never know, someone may just stumble upon the Z340 decryption secrets.

I haven’t pushed the “Poets Pen” solution, yes… your right…I still believe its important and you do hold a lot of weight and respect with the cipher community. I can’t take a chance with it being invalid.

You never did ask me a while ago how I got the second stage possible cipher solution… plain text: SD prick shot boy mild brain injury ect…

It’s from the characters that were generated from the “Poets Pen”…

Honestly, there is no better 4 lines then the “Poets Pen” the U cross and how the names also fall in the 9 count ETC…but what I cant wrap my brain around is this:
UUTJK and with the 2 U’s equaling 42, in Gematria and on page 42, of Lapsus Calami, is not only the name (Bates) but the (Sacred Nine)

I can go on and on and on… how Ted’s cabin code, the U cross = 9, by knife = 9, by rope = 9, and the 4 lines of the poets pen = 9…never mind Hartnell’s car door its 27 characters = 0963, this is not noise or a coincidence and I believe to important to be invalidated.

The 408 is really the most non hokey thing about the Z mythos…the rest well…based on the letters cards and ciphers and the way they are written. Hokey is more likely the way the Z encrypted this mythos…

All I ask, is for you take a step back and really give what I have fair chance…I will post what I didn’t post here and explain it in more detail…you know more then anyone that the Zodiac was a movie buff and that movie we talked about falls on a lot of Z points…this movie is something the Z would have took on and embraced for himself…
(POE) Purity Of Essence…

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:23 pm

Hey guys can you look at this. I generated this tonight, what caught my attention was the plain text at the beginning and at the end: GEE HER FASTER, SF MEN
I believe there is text in this passage and before I point it out. I want to see what you guys think and what text you see here. There are letter plugs, shifts and abbreviations…

G HERFAStERNRMIELStEUSICOSS tENOINAEREtOFON UN tSON CLU ItEDIOMA DEtEOGSFO E t RAPISPLLtSR PE IAtDRONDHOESt R RRAFS t MIL CDNEtCIEGMIESUtR SD ARSCtIEE CD PAtNFGRESIDRt MCSU FUtR ERACIOOt UF POEAItIG RORIIStSLENDDHESt R SF MEN

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:55 pm

I can’t wait so here is the 1st line:

G HERFAStER NR MIELS tEU SICO SS

Gee her faster ran miles tue sicos:

GEE HER FASTER RAN (S)MILE TUE SICKOS:

GEE HER RAN FASTER TUES, SICKO’S SMILE

This could be in reference to Domingos and Edwards when they took off on their killer, having Tue in the same proximity with the related text makes this very interesting.

tENOINAEREtOFON UN tSON CLU ItEDIOMA DEtEOGSFO E t RAPISPLLtSR PE IAtDRONDHOESt R RRAFS t MIL CDNEtCIEGMIESUtR SD ARSCtIEE CD PAtNFGRESIDRt MCSU FUtR ERACIOOt UF POEAItIG RORIIStSLENDDHESt R SF MEN

Daniel

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:48 am

Dan – What is this? Can you give us more context? This is the 340?

What method are you using for a translation?

What are you saying is the bulk of the message? Most of it I don’t understand.

Now the anagram part I understand. I understand the words you have, and it is interesting. It is, however, a fairly extreme dispersed anagram, and it does not sound like the 408 message in terms of clarity level. Also it is not clear what it means. Who ran faster? Who is the sicko? Zodiac (or ther Bates killer) denied he was sick. It is an interesting message but it does not strike me as clearly connected to the Zodiac case. Yes Linda Edwards ran, so did Betty Lou Jensen. But I am still not clear what the overall message is, and most of the lines do not make any words at all. Or maybe I am missing something?

G HERFAStER NR MIELS tEU SICO SS

GEE HER RAN FASTER TUES, SICKO’S SMILE

Could also be:

HER FATHER RUN MILES SUITE CO. (COMPANY) SS

Now I am sure Doranchak or Glurk would remind us that there are probably one hundred or more words that could be formed here. How do we know your version is correct? This why after years of exploring extreme anagrams I mostly gave them up, because how can we know that any one version is what Zodiac really actually intended?

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:47 pm

207 characters left over from the “poets pen” solution. Take the remaining 205 characters shift it backwards where the triangle and square come together add SP…S, is for secondary targets and P, is for primary targets. SP, also means Secret Pal.

Format x 9

YCYHSRIKO SRPRBTSAO SLOTJUOOY SPUTPKSRS UIUPYYLPY OUPYJALYT SETUBKYES SUCOIUYSY YRKNTONAA ORYYNSYTK ERUPEHUSO YRYRRKIOY YBTAYJEPS JTSCBTSOL RYOEYKROJ TSSYJEYNK PICRSOTER YYBJOLYIL RYSRKJTUU YLIYNUSKT TCYRURTTO OASPEEHSO YRYOIYBSP

Take the 207 characters and format it x 9…also, 2 +7 = 9 and run it through a substitution ciphers analysis:

G HER FAStER NR MIELS tEU SICOSS tEN OI NAER Et OFON UNtS ON CLU I tED IO MADE tEO G SF OEt RAP ISPLL tS R PE I At DR ON D HOE St RRRAF St MILC D Net C I EGM IE SUt R SD ARSC tIE E C D Pat NF G RESID Rt MCSU FUtR ERAC IOO tUF POE A I tIGR OR II St SL END D HE St R SF MEN

There are a lot of plain text words and homophones that just stands out:

Her faster:
Tue:
Sico:
Naer:
Unts:
Clu:
Ted:
Made:
SF MAN:
Resid:
St:
Poe:
MSCU:
Futr:
Erac:
Tuf:
Miel:
Rap:
Spll:
Hoe:
Dr:
EGM:
Tigr:

As I type this I still cant believe the amount of homophones that are here, when I was rewriting these, my spell check tried to automatically correct the words…lol..

What’s really interesting is “MCSU FUTURE RACE”

MSCU is a University in Poland founded in 1944 which predates this passage

When Poets get together they call it a Rap even in 1969:

SF (P)OETS RAP IS PLL ST

SF (P)OETS RAP I SPLL ST

I’ll stop here for know because I want forum members here to respond.

Daniel

Oops, I forgot the cool homophone TIGR (tiger)

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:31 pm

YCYHSRIKO SRPRBTSAO SLOTJUOOY SPUTPKSRS UIUPYYLPY OUPYJALYT SETUBKYES SUCOIUYSY YRKNTONAA ORYYNSYTK ERUPEHUSO YRYRRKIOY YBTAYJEPS JTSCBTSOL RYOEYKROJ TSSYJEYNK PICRSOTER YYBJOLYIL RYSRKJTUU YLIYNUSKT TCYRURTTO OASPEEHSO YRYOIYBPR OFESSOR

M HESGRAtESNSUIELAtEFAICOAA tENOINRESEtOGON FN tAON CLF ItEDIOUR DEtEOMAGO E t SRPIAPLLtAS PE IRtDSONDHOEAt S SSRGA t UIL CDNEtCIEMUIEAFtS AD RSACtIEE CD PRtNGMSEAIDSt U CAF GFtS ES RC IOO Tf G POE RIt IM SOS IIAtAL ENDD HEAt SA GUN StAB DEE AS

I can’t believe this, now I understand how important that triangle is in the Z340 and 408 …in Ted’s favorite book “the secret agent”…I used “Professor” as a key, from where the triangle starts and ran it again through a substitution analysis and generated this. I almost fell out of the chair when I read towards the end of the passage:

U CAF GFTS ES RC 100 FT G POE RIT IM SOS FATAL END HEAT AS GUN, STAB… DEE AS….PROFESSOR
I thought it fitting to use the key: professor to follow the word as…(AS PROFESSOR)

“Heat” is another character in Conrad’s secret agent book. To have this generate all on one line is incredible. My cipher skills are not as good as my peers here. I know enough to see this isn’t a coincidence. I have to leave for work. I expect my fellow members here can clean up this passage for me… :cheers:

Daniel

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:22 pm

I am interested but I can’t follow your work. I need a step by step detail with key posted and what your substitution method is. Can you run this through webtoy and post the resulting grid solution? Thanks.

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:11 am

Ak:

This is literally 5 minutes old when I posted it today…I wanted to get it out on our forum right away…I had a chance a couple of hours ago to read a little about “the secret agent” and cant believe what I’m seeing:

In the novel the professor keeps his bombs in his “coat”. In the passage here is “coat”: also, Conrad’s middle name is “Teodore”, there is “Teo” in the passage. “Inspector Heat” is a character in the novel; it’s also in the passage. “Gun”, “Stab” is in the novel and it’s the Zodiac’s main items used at Lake Berryessa…

Tedi is also in the passage.

Plain text solution:

( I’m going over this as I type this so it is still needs further review)

M HES GRAtE SNSUIELAtEFAI COAAt ENO IN RESEt OGON FN tAON CLF I tEDI OUR DE tEO MAG OEt SRPIAPLLtAS PE IRtDSONDHOEAt SSSRGA t UIL CDNEtCIEMUIEAFtS AD R SACt IEE CD PRtNGMSEAIDSt U CAF GFtS ES RC IOO Tf G POE RIt IM SOS IIAtAL ENDD HEAt SA GUN StAB DEE AST

These are the characters from my “poet’s pen” solution starting from (ETC) the key is: PROFESSOR

I use crypto tool 1.4.30…run a” substitution analysis” to get the plain text I posted above.

Cipher:

YCYHSRIKO SRPRBTSAO SLOTJUOOY SPUTPKSRS UIUPYYLPY OUPYJALYT SETUBKYES SUCOIUYSY YRKNTONAA ORYYNSYTK ERUPEHUSO YRYRRKIOY YBTAYJEPS JTSCBTSOL RYOEYKROJ TSSYJEYNK PICRSOTER YYBJOLYIL RYSRKJTUU YLIYNUSKT TCYRURTTO OASPEEHSO YRYOIYBPR OFESSOR

Dee, is from Dr. Strangelove movie, Jack (Dee) Ripper

POE: is from the same movie: (P)urity (O)f (E)ssence, (P)eace (O)n (E)arth: It’s the recall code for the bombing (WING)

“HOW I LEARNED TO LOVE THE BOMB” Dr Strange love is also a (German Professor)

In “the secret agent” the professor, is a bomb expert

Jack the Ripper and at least 2 of his letters from 1888…

“Dr. Strangelove” along with” “The Secret Agent” by Joseph Conrad. The Poet JK Stephen and his “Sacred Nine” are all gaffs that I believe the Zodiac used for his campaign…

I don’t know how I missed this, I guess because I was rushing to post it. When I ran this again from after DEE is AST I missed the T some how…shift the S and you have…(SAT) which falls within the same day of the LB attack…GUN, STAB…

Daniel

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:04 am

The character’s name is "General Jack D. Ripper". It is not "DEE". Was a nickname for Darlene "DEE"? Also John Dee was an Elizabethian Era mathematician, astronomer and alchemist. He was the basis for the character of Prospero in Shakespeare’s "Tempest" and Faust also. He also had interest in codes and secret langauges, and a symbol similar to the mark on the "Bates had to die" letter.

Also "Poe" could mean Edgar Allan Poe, who wrote murder mysteries, horror tales and "The Gold Bug" which dealt with a secret code and a treasure seen from the "Devil’s Seat".

Of course I know the Strangelove film, and the Purity of Essence/Peace on Earth POE recall code. Could be a reference to that, or pure coincidence.

DAN G: "These are the characters from my “poet’s pen” solution starting from (ETC) the key is: PROFESSOR

I use crypto tool 1.4.30…run a” substitution analysis” to get the plain text I posted above."

AK: Here is where you lose me. What do you mean by the key is PROFESSOR? What is crypto tool 1.14.30?

In your webtoy solution I don’t see words like GUN, HEAT or STAB. How do you come up with them? I can’t comment anymore because I don’t know how you are getting from one to the other.

Can you give a detailed step by step explanation of your process and/or run the new solution through webtoy and post it here?

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:07 pm

AK:

I’m pretty sure in the movie credits they had listed the general as Jack Dee Ripper, I’ll check and let you know. I believe there are double or even triple meanings behind this gaff, that the Z intertwined, so… yes, Dee, could be in reference to Ferrin and the movie and the mathematician.

The mathematician Dee is a good point and if I were the Z making a 3 way connection to his fixations is something to explore. So, Poe, could be in reference to Edgar definitely…Ak: I don’t believe in coincidence, we are cops , I’ll leave that to the scientist…we have nicked the Z340 armor and now its time to unravel the story…

There is a phonetic type homophone in the 408

“I’M DR STRANGELOVE” is in the second 408 cipher that incorporates the all important “triangle” character.

I really have a lot to post but no time. When I get a chance I will type out a very detailed explanation on what I believe the Zodiac was trying to do…It’s Very complicated involving many things he was fixated with and acting out in real life…

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:53 pm

11/13/12

216

YCYHSRIKO SRPRBTSAO SLOTJUOOY SPUTPKSRS UIUPYYLPY OUPYJALYT SETUBKYES SUCOIUYSY YRKNTONAA ORYYNSYTK ERUPEHUSO YRYRRKIOY YBTAYJEPS JTSCBTSOL RYOEYKROJ TSSYJEYNK PICRSOTER YYBJOLYIL RYSRKJTUU YLIYNUSKT TCYRURTTO OASPEEHSO YRYOIYBPR OFESSORPE

DGILLOTT9 :sunny:

Ps…If you want to know who “DEE” is, solve the 216 character Substitution cipher I posted above…

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:03 pm

Z340: TOP 4 LINES…68 CHARACTERS

POETS PEN ROYAL TUTORS YOURS TRULY JACK PORNS BY KR UUU PL RIP JKS STEPHANUS SYY ECT

ADD THIS 13 CHARCATER KEY TO COMPLETE THE CIPHER TO A TOTAL OF 81= 9 CHARACTERS: “YOUR SECRET PAL”

POETS PEN ROYAL TUTORS YOURS TRULY JACK PORNS BY KR UUU PL RIP JKS STEPHANUS SYY ECT YOUR SECRET PAL

FORMAT X 3 SUB ANALYSIS IN GERMAN:

POE TSP ENR OYA LTU TOR SYO URS TRU LYJ ACK POR NSB YKR UUU PLR IPJ KSS TEP HAN USS YYE CTY OUR SEC RET PAL

NOTE:

IT SEEMS THE STRENGTH FROM THIS POSSIBLE SOLUTION STARTS AFTER THE THREE UUU…I HAVE ALREADY MENTION THAT THE U = 30 USING TED’S CABIN CODE… 30 + 30 + 30 = 90

PLAIN TEXT:

DIE tsD Enr Iya ltu tIr syI urs tru lyj ack DIr nsb ykr uuu Dlr iDj kss tED han uss yyE cty Iur sEc rEt Dal

STEP 1:

DL RID J KSS TED HAN US SYY E CTY LURS ECRET DAL

STEP 2:

DL RID KISSING (J)ENSEN, TED HAND US SEE E CITY LURS ERECT LAD

STEP3:

DR RID KISSING JENSEN, TED HAND, US SEE E CITY LURS ERECT LAD

(DIE)

DR TED HAND… RID KISSING JENSEN…US SEE E CITY LURS ERECT LAD…KEY: PEO

THE KEY THAT WAS GENERATED FOR THE ABOVE SOLUTION IS…PEO…I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE KEY “PEO” THAT WAS GENERATED FROM THE 81 CHATACTER “POETS PEN” CIPHER SOLUTION IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE MESSAGE.

BASED ON THE FACT THAT “PEO” OR “PURITY OF ECCENCE” “PEACE ON EARTH” IS PART OF THE THEME OF THE ZODIAC ALONG WITH 0369

PEO… AND IT’S PERMUTATION IS THE RECALL CODE IN THE 1964 MOVIE STRANGELOVE…DR STRANGELOVE IS THE GERMAN SCIENTIST, PROFESSOR THAT SEEMS TO BE CONTROLED BY HIS RIGHT HAND, WEARING A BLACK GLOVE…

SEXUALLY STARVED TED FOUND A WAY TO JUSTIFY HIS KILLINGS OF YOUNG COUPLES AT (LOVER LANES) AND FOUND A WAY TO PARODY IT, INTO ZODIAC LETTERS, CIPHERS AND CARDS, USING THEMES FROM THIS MOVIE AND IS FAVOURITE BOOK “THE SECRET AGENT”

PEO = PURITY OF ESSENCE…PEACE ON EARTH

COED = CODE… COUPLES = COUPLED

0369 = 0E/P…PEO

“THE SECRET AGENT” AND “MICHAELIS DELTA THE TICKET OF LEAVE APOSTLE”:

I WILL DISCUSS THIS FURTHER WITH THE SECOND PART OF THE Z340 POSSIBLE SOLUTION…THE 205 CHARACTERS GENERATED FROM THE “POETS PEN”…KEY: “PROFESSOR PE”

“PROFESSOR PE” COMPLETES THE CIPHER TO 216 CHARACTERS = 9 IT’S ALSO IN THE MOVIE AS 162 AND IS PART OF THE RECALL CODE FOR PEO OR OPE…

BONUS:

INPUT THE 68 CHARACTERS OF THE “POETS PEN” INTO DAVE’S ZODIAC WEB TOY….LOOK AT THE 5TH LINE AND YOU WILL SEE 9 OPEN CHARACTERS… STARTING FROM THE SQUARE AND TRIANGLE GOING LEFT TO RIGHT INPUT: “KACZYNSKI”

“KABY I CZOY YN RYSK OI”

5TH LINE, Z340:“CABY I COZY IN RISK OI”

NOTE: WAS THERE A BLACK GLOVE OR GLOVES FOUND IN THE CAB AFTER THE MURDER…???

8TH LINE, Z340: “UU TJK Z”

UU = 42…PAGE 42 OF “LAPSUS CALAMI” IS “THE SACRED NINE”…PAGE 42… 8TH LINE DOWN… 4 WORDS OVER…
42 + 8 + 4 = 54 = 9

NOTE:

JEM, JKS… WROTE A POEM ABOUT 9 X 6 = 54… I’LL TRY AND POST IT LATER…I BELIEVE HIS POEM BOOK IS ALSO 9 X 6 IN SIZE, I’LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

“SACRED NINE” “TJK” “Z”… AS YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU INPUT “KACZYNSKI” ON THE 5TH LINE…”Z” GENERATED NEXT TO HIS INITIALS “TJK, Z”…”THEODORE JOHN KACZYNSKI”

10TH LINE, Z340: “CLIP KNYE JYSST” = “CLIP KNEE JISST”

MORE SOON…

HAVE A HAPPY 12 + 12 + 12 = 36 = 9… THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER…

:farao: DANIEL 9

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:56 am

Z340: TOP 4 LINES…68 CHARACTERS

POETS PEN ROYAL TUTORS YOURS TRULY JACK PORNS BY KR UUU PL RIP JKS STEPHANUS SYY ECT

ADD THIS 13 CHARCATER KEY TO COMPLETE THE CIPHER TO A TOTAL OF 81= 9 CHARACTERS: “YOUR SECRET PAL”

POETS PEN ROYAL TUTORS YOURS TRULY JACK PORNS BY KR UUU PL RIP JKS STEPHANUS SYY ECT YOUR SECRET PAL

FORMAT X 3 SUB ANALYSIS IN GERMAN:

POE TSP ENR OYA LTU TOR SYO URS TRU LYJ ACK POR NSB YKR UUU PLR IPJ KSS TEP HAN USS YYE CTY OUR SEC RET PAL

NOTE:

IT SEEMS THE STRENGTH FROM THIS POSSIBLE SOLUTION STARTS AFTER THE THREE UUU…I HAVE ALREADY MENTION THAT THE U = 30 USING TED’S CABIN CODE… 30 + 30 + 30 = 90

PLAIN TEXT:

DIE tsD Enr Iya ltu tIr syI urs tru lyj ack DIr nsb ykr uuu Dlr iDj kss tED han uss yyE cty Iur sEc rEt Dal

STEP 1:

DL RID J KSS TED HAN US SYY E CTY LURS ECRET DAL

STEP 2:

DL RID KISSING (J)ENSEN, TED HAND US SEE E CITY LURS ERECT LAD

STEP3:

DR RID KISSING JENSEN, TED HAND, US SEE E CITY LURS ERECT LAD

(DIE)

DR TED HAND… RID KISSING JENSEN…US SEE E CITY LURS ERECT LAD…KEY: PEO

THE KEY THAT WAS GENERATED FOR THE ABOVE SOLUTION IS…PEO…I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE KEY “PEO” THAT WAS GENERATED FROM THE 81 CHATACTER “POETS PEN” CIPHER SOLUTION IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE MESSAGE.

BASED ON THE FACT THAT “PEO” OR “PURITY OF ECCENCE” “PEACE ON EARTH” IS PART OF THE THEME OF THE ZODIAC ALONG WITH 0369

PEO… AND IT’S PERMUTATION IS THE RECALL CODE IN THE 1964 MOVIE STRANGELOVE…DR STRANGELOVE IS THE GERMAN SCIENTIST, PROFESSOR THAT SEEMS TO BE CONTROLED BY HIS RIGHT HAND, WEARING A BLACK GLOVE…

SEXUALLY STARVED TED FOUND A WAY TO JUSTIFY HIS KILLINGS OF YOUNG COUPLES AT (LOVER LANES) AND FOUND A WAY TO PARODY IT, INTO ZODIAC LETTERS, CIPHERS AND CARDS, USING THEMES FROM THIS MOVIE AND IS FAVOURITE BOOK “THE SECRET AGENT”

PEO = PURITY OF ESSENCE…PEACE ON EARTH

COED = CODE… COUPLES = COUPLED

0369 = 0E/P…PEO

“THE SECRET AGENT” AND “MICHAELIS DELTA THE TICKET OF LEAVE APOSTLE”:

I WILL DISCUSS THIS FURTHER WITH THE SECOND PART OF THE Z340 POSSIBLE SOLUTION…THE 205 CHARACTERS GENERATED FROM THE “POETS PEN”…KEY: “PROFESSOR PE”

“PROFESSOR PE” COMPLETES THE CIPHER TO 216 CHARACTERS = 9 IT’S ALSO IN THE MOVIE AS 162 AND IS PART OF THE RECALL CODE FOR PEO OR OPE…

BONUS:

INPUT THE 68 CHARACTERS OF THE “POETS PEN” INTO DAVE’S ZODIAC WEB TOY….LOOK AT THE 5TH LINE AND YOU WILL SEE 9 OPEN CHARACTERS… STARTING FROM THE SQUARE AND TRIANGLE GOING LEFT TO RIGHT INPUT: “KACZYNSKI”

“KABY I CZOY YN RYSK OI”

5TH LINE, Z340:“CABY I COZY IN RISK OI”

NOTE: WAS THERE A BLACK GLOVE OR GLOVES FOUND IN THE CAB AFTER THE MURDER…???

8TH LINE, Z340: “UU TJK Z”

UU = 42…PAGE 42 OF “LAPSUS CALAMI” IS “THE SACRED NINE”…PAGE 42… 8TH LINE DOWN… 4 WORDS OVER…
42 + 8 + 4 = 54 = 9

NOTE:

JEM, JKS… WROTE A POEM ABOUT 9 X 6 = 54… I’LL TRY AND POST IT LATER…I BELIEVE HIS POEM BOOK IS ALSO 9 X 6 IN SIZE, I’LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT.

“SACRED NINE” “TJK” “Z”… AS YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU INPUT “KACZYNSKI” ON THE 5TH LINE…”Z” GENERATED NEXT TO HIS INITIALS “TJK, Z”…”THEODORE JOHN KACZYNSKI”

10TH LINE, Z340: “CLIP KNYE JYSST” = “CLIP KNEE JISST”

MORE SOON…

HAVE A HAPPY 12 + 12 + 12 = 36 = 9… THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER…

:farao: DANIEL 9

glurk, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:40 am

HAVE A HAPPY 12 + 12 + 12 = 36 = 9… THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER…

There is a 12/12/12 every 100 years!! I’m not old enough to remember the last one in 1912, and probably won’t live to see the next one in 2112. Are you assuming the world does end on 12/21/12?

-glurk

KEY.SMITH697, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:59 am

:study: Purity of Eccence, That is what Z took from them + their life. He took thier hope that this world was a beauiful place. The 60s was about freedom, :heart:AND SOUL, poets,songs{Dillon,Neil,Collins} :afro: POWER TO THE PEOPLE. it was the age of AQUARIUS. a TIME OF CULTURE, IDEALISM, REVOLUTION AND CHANGE. aND, :flower: sAN fRAN WAS THE HEART BEAT and the voice of this great nation. iF YOUR GOING TO sAN fRAN BE SURE TO WHERE SOME :flower: :flower: IN YOUR HAIR….

hELLO, GLURK: :bounce:
WE SHOULD GET THIS PARTY STARTED. :cheers: THERE IS NO TIME TO WASTE. jUST 8 MORE DAYS :santa: HAPPY CLIFFMASS :rendeer:
P.S I’M GOING TO FREE THOSE FLYING :monkey: :monkey: :monkey:

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:15 am

Hi Glurk:

I was only kidding, I don’t think the world is doomed… only humans… :lol!: …I was focusing on the year 2012, meaning there will never be another 12/ 12 in the year 2012…

Hi keys: :study:

Keep those flying monkeys away from me…unless you’re talking about these 2?

9 LT :farao:

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:51 am

Omg…omg… break over…lol…

I was going over some pics on my phone and I came across this, I believe this is an unconfirmed Zodiac letter. I don’t know anything about this? And I’m hoping that someone here will post it for me, with the envelope and date it was sent…it reads as such…

THIS IS THE ZODAIC SPEAKING

I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THIS STATE IS IN TROUBLE I WILL GO FOR THE GOVERNMENT LIFE SO DON’T FORGET ME I WILL KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU COPS CAN COUNT SO LOOK FOR MORE BLOOD

YOU BETTER PRINT…

Tell me what you see from the actual letter, not what I copied above and tell me what are you’re thoughts on this letter… before I explain how important this letter is…

Thank you

:farao: DSG

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:09 pm

Dan look here:

http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … ble-letter

http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … iac-letter

Morf and I obtained this letter. It also inlcudes the page with a drawing of a knife "bleeding knife of zodiac".

It also seems likely this same author sent the astrology cards and the "+ he will be a cop" letter and code.

At first I thought this "state is in trouble/bleeding knife of the zodiac" may be a real Z letter, there are several points in its favor. We have a good debate and discussion on the points of evdience showing this might be a real Zodiac letter.

But in Morf’s FBI files, after seeing the envelope it came in, I now unfortunately think it was probably a hoax.

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:28 pm

It really bugged me why Jk Stephen put his “Sacred Nine” poem on page # 42 of his poem book. I thought why Jem didn’t put that poem on one of these pages 18, 36, 54 Etc…

I finally figured out why…before I post why…I want to see if someone here can figure it out. You will need a 1st edition 1891 poem book…I’m a proud owner of 2 signed copies…but we can’t use them….So… I found you guys something just as good. If you go to “Open Library” web page you can view an 1891 Jemabad poem book in all its 1st edition glory.

http://openlibrary.org/search?q=lapsus+calami

The Z340 5th line… the all important (Square, Triangle) and the unconfirmed 1971 Zodiac 9 character type cipher with letter, are some things I will be posting on in the next couple of days…

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:33 pm

Ok times up:

The reason Jem put his Sacred Nine poem on page # 42 and not on pages that total the product of 9 like 63, 54 …etc, is because he’s playing the 9 game.

So… if you take # 42 and reverse that, it = 24…. 42 – 24 = 18…18 is a product of 9 and its digital reverse is 81 also a product of 9 but more important 18 and 81 are important numbers for me found throughout the Zodiac murders…Lake Berryessa Sept 27th 1969 and the debut of Jack the Ripper (Dear Boss letter) Sept 27th 1888 is exactly 81 years to the date of “Berryessa”, (By Knife = 90) So…go to page 24 of Lapsus Calami, you see a small paragraph from a three page poem that started on…

Page # 22

“ V. of T.G. “

“ODE ON A RETROPECT OF ETON COLLEGE”

Reverse… ( T.G.)

“5 of GT”…Hmmmm…???

Go back to page # 24… do you see the word “SACRIFICE” which is a 9 letter word…”counting words”: starting from the bottom, it’s exactly 18 words to SACRIFICE…from the top… count down to the word “SACRIFICE”… Null the 2 cap I… it’s exactly 36 words…

Reverse the digits of 36 = (63) = 9

18 = (81) = 9

Z340 = (63) character cipher

Debut of “Jack” (81) Years to the day, of Berryessa

SACRIFICE /BY KNIFE/ BERRYESSA/

By knife = 90
Sacrifice = 9
Berryessa = 9
September = 9
I = 9th letter in the alpha…

Don’t forget Hartnell’s car door; I believe its 27 characters and assigning Ted’s cabin code to the 27 characters, totals 0369 or its permutation of that number… I’m typing from memory, it’s posted in my “sacred nine” thread…

Berryessa was a SACRIFICE tribute to JACK THE RIPPER. Using “Jk Stephen’s” poem book, “Lapsus Calami” and his “Sacred Nine” theme……..

“Slip of my Pen”

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Dec 30, 2012 12:34 pm

I have spent more time looking for a 408 type solution in the Z340 then… I did discovering the “Poets Pen” within the top 4 lines. “Your Secret Pal” and “Professor PE” completes the top to 81 characters and the bottom to 216 characters following the “Sacred Nine” and the product of 9 theme. The top is formatted X 3 and the bottom is formatted X 9 to complete these 2 ciphers…I haven’t talked about the bottom 216 characters and how important that solution is:

SAND DEE GUN STAB…GRATE…COAT…HEAT…etc…I looked into Conrad’s “THE SECRET AGENT” and discovered for instance the word GRATE is used 10 times and I thought that to be odd. It looks like the Z picked up on this word and used it as a PUN describing M…for “(M)ICHAELIS HE’s GRATE” the anarchist…Michaelis is a 9 letter name and “Ticket Of Leave” is a convict that is on leave from prison for good behavior. Now if he doesn’t return, you have an escape convict…hint, hint…LB…

”Heat” is in the novel 117 times and 117 is also a product of 9. I have so much more but You have to read this book to understand this solution, just like how “Kaczynski” said you have to read this book to understand him…

What I’m trying to say is that the “Poets Pen” and other research that I discovered within the Z340 is correct and I’m very proud of my work. I haven’t explained things into great detail and I’m sorry for that. I was hoping people would catch on and get involved with this work.

What I’m really trying to say is that 2 nights ago, I discovered how to solve the Z340 like the 408…that doesn’t mean you are going to get a 64 word and 44, 000 score like the 408…”No”, BECAUSE of the “Poets Pen” you are not going to get that score or solution…

I have discovered the “key” and where to place it…within 10 seconds you get a clear message about “Stine”, with his name and it doesn’t change, it gets stronger. The “Key” and where it’s placed and the message that follows after it, looks very intentional…from this point we can solve the Z340 like the 408. I can’t express this enough, the “key”…and where it’s locked, placed whatever, is just as important as the message that appears within 10 to 30 seconds. So…I’m not putting any names out there in the forum…if you want to help me with this part, contact me…as long as you keep this to yourself and this forum…

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:13 pm

Joseph Bates (July 8, 1792 – March 19, 1872) was an American seaman and revivalist minister. He was the founder and developer of Sabbatarian Adventism, a strain of religious thinking that evolved into the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Bates is also credited with convincing James White and Ellen G. White of the validity of the seventh-day Sabbath.

Joseph Bates was born in Rochester, Massachusetts on July 8, 1792. (He did not have a middle name.) His father, also named Joseph,[1] was a volunteer in the Revolutionary War and his mother was the daughter of Barnabas Rye of Sandwich, Massachusetts. In 1793, Bates’ family moved to the part of New Bedford, Massachusetts that would become the township of Fairhaven in 1812. In June 1807, Bates sailed as cabin boy on the new ship commanded by Elias Terry, called the Fanny to London via New York City. This was the commencement of Bates sailing career.[2]

In 1810 Bates was forced into servitude for the British navy and spent time as a prisoner during the War of 1812. After his release he continued his career eventually becoming captain of a ship. During one of his voyages he read a copy of the Bible that his wife packed for him. He experienced conversion and became involved in a variety of reforms including helping to found an early temperance society. Bates became disturbed by the way the sailors (regardless of their religion) were forced to go to Anglican services; later in life he became adamant that the separation of church and state should be upheld. He also was a strong supporter of abolition. In his everyday life as a sailor he noticed the intemperance of the sailors and the resulting side effects. Many of these problems came from poor rations but many more were the result of overindulgence by the men. He became one of the champions of health reform; abstaining from all alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine, even becoming a vegetarian. In 1839 he accepted the teachings of William Miller that Jesus was coming soon.

Home of Joseph Bates, photographed in 2005After October 22, 1844, like many other Millerites, Bates sought meaning out of the Great Disappointment. During the spring of 1845 Bates accepted the seventh-day Sabbath after reading a pamphlet by T. M. Preble. Bates soon became known as the "apostle of the Sabbath" and wrote several booklets on the topic. One of the first, published in 1846, was entitled The Seventh Day Sabbath, a Perpetual Sign.[3] One of Bates’ most significant contribution was his ability to connect theologically the Sabbath with a unique understanding of the heavenly sanctuary. This apocalyptic understanding of theology would become known as the Great Controversy theme.

Joseph Bates was a strong supporter of James White and the prophetic gift, which he believed was manifested in visions received by the young Ellen G. White. He contributed to early publications such as A Word to the "Little Flock." Bates was active with the Whites in participating in a series of Bible Conferences held in 1848 to 1850 that have become known as the Sabbath and Sanctuary Conferences. During the 1850s Bates supported the development of more formal church organization that culminated in 1863 with the formation of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

Joseph Bates died on March 19, 1872 in Battle Creek, Michigan and is buried in Poplar Hill Cemetery in Monterey, Michigan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Bates_(Adventist )

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:40 am

SACRIFICE: a 9 letter word, I had posted that this word was found on page # 24 of LAPSUS CALAMI. “The SACRED NINE” is on page # 42. Subtract 42 from 24 and you get 18.

On page # 24 SACRIFICE is the 36th word from the top and the 18th word from the bottom.

The hard part was to find out how important this word was to the Zodiac. With the work Ak and others have done, I believe I have found a message from the Z340 that looks intentional. Ak, correct me if I’m wrong, Ted had stamped or written F C inside his bombs…(please add more detail to this when you get a chance) I know Ted used a simple form of gematria assigning numbers to letters, the key was found in his cabin. Ted’s gematria key had nothing to do with his complex diagonal cipher key that was also found in his cabin. You can see that Ted’s gematria key paper is yellowed showing its age and indicative to something that was written in the 60’s compared to his most current complex key that’s on white paper.

Using the alphabet: F = (6) C = (3)…F C = 9

Using Ted’s cabin key: F = (15) C = (12)…F C = 27 = 9

I believe Ted was 27 at the time of the Berryessa attack that happened on the 27th of September…it’s the 9th month… September is also a 9 letter word and its 81 years to the day of the Jack the Ripper, Dear Boss letter…Etc

Look at the Z340 from the top, count down 6 lines. Go 6 characters, form left to right…starting from the backwards L…input “SACRIFICE” you will see while you are inputting this word, when you get to the letter F how it falls on the Z340 C and when you are inputting the letter C it falls on the Z340 F to complete F C again, now its inverted to C F and F C or C F appear only this 1 time together in the Z340

Run the ZDecrypto and within 10 to 30 seconds of running… you will see right after the word SACRIFICE: NOW HATE STINE…after 3 to 5 minutes it will complete to: NOT HATE STINE A FIN YOU STINE…ETC

This is what I have so far…I have run and seen so much Zodiac type plain text that this tool can generate. I can understand what the experts here say about coincidence.

Anything in the world could have generated… (If anything at all) after the input of SACRIFICE… but it doesn’t… it generated a clear message about a victim that was killed 4 to 6 weeks prior to the Z340 being mailed.

From how SACRIFICE was discovered and its placement into the 6th line and how it doesn’t change the F C or C F(the importance of the F C =63) and the clear message about a Zodiac Victim that was generated right after the word SACRIFICE… I strongly believe is intentional. I leave this discovery to the cipher and computer scientist experts to look over. SAC/RI/F (I) C 3…

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:19 pm

Z340 6TH line: SACRIFICE

SACRIFICE: a 9 letter word, I had posted that this word was found on page # 24 of LAPSUS CALAMI. “The SACRED NINE” is on page # 42. Subtract 42 from 24 and you get 18.

On page # 24 SACRIFICE is the 36th word from the top and the 18th word from the bottom.

The hard part was to find out how important this word was to the Zodiac. With the work Ak and others have done, I believe I have found a message from the Z340 that looks intentional. Ak, correct me if I’m wrong, Ted had stamped or written F C inside his bombs…(please add more detail to this when you get a chance) I know Ted used a simple form of gematria assigning numbers to letters, the key was found in his cabin. Ted’s gematria key had nothing to do with his complex diagonal cipher key that was also found in his cabin. You can see that Ted’s gematria key paper is yellowed showing its age and indicative to something that was written in the 60’s compared to his most current complex key that’s on white paper.

Using the alphabet: F = (6) C = (3)…F C = 9

Using Ted’s cabin key: F = (15) C = (12)…F C = 27 = 9

I believe Ted was 27 at the time of the Berryessa attack that happened on the 27th of September…it’s the 9th month… September is also a 9 letter word and its 81 years to the day of the Jack the Ripper, Dear Boss letter…Etc

Look at the Z340 from the top, count down 6 lines. Go 6 characters, form left to right…starting from the backwards L…input “SACRIFICE” you will see while you are inputting this word, when you get to the letter F how it falls on the Z340 C and when you are inputting the letter C it falls on the Z340 F to complete F C again, now its inverted to C F and F C or C F appear only this 1 time together in the Z340

Run the ZDecrypto and within 10 to 30 seconds of running… you will see right after the word SACRIFICE: NOW HATE STINE…after 3 to 5 minutes it will complete to: NOT HATE STINE A FIN YOU STINE…ETC

This is what I have so far…I have run and seen so much Zodiac type plain text that this tool can generate. I can understand what the experts here say about coincidence.

Anything in the world could have generated… (If anything at all) after the input of SACRIFICE… but it doesn’t… it generated a clear message about a victim that was killed 4 to 6 weeks prior to the Z340 being mailed.

From how SACRIFICE was discovered and its placement into the 6th line and how it doesn’t change the F C or C F(the importance of the F C =63) and the clear message about a Zodiac Victim that was generated right after the word SACRIFICE… I strongly believe is intentional. I leave this discovery to the cipher and computer scientist experts to look over. SAC/RI/F (I) C 3…

Daniel

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:19 pm

Can you post a screen capture of your sacrifice solution? Hard to comment without seeing it.

When you say it says NOW HATE STINE, do you mean it appears as is no anagrams? If so that would be very interesting.

Yes Ted stamped "FC" on 8 of his 16 unabomber devices. He says it stands for Freedom Club, not F#$% Computers! In the book The Secret Agent the anarchist group the professor belongs to is called FP for Future of the Proletariat. Also the New York mad Bomber signed his letters FP for Fair Play. Also I "see" an FL or FZ on the Zodiac Halloween Card, and an "Fk" on a possible Zodiac card and an "FK" on the Exorcist letter. Debatable. FC is 63 as you point out. On a Caesar shift matrix of 3, you have I F C Z. So there are a lot of possible meanings and influences, or a lot of coincidences.

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:04 pm

Hi AK:

I’m at work so I have to make this quick…”No Anagrams”…within 10 seconds: “NOW HATE STINE” will appear. 3 minutes later…”NOT HATE STINE A FIN YOU STINE”…will appear.

I will try and post a screen shot late tonight…I figure a “FIN” means a DELTA or TRIANGLE…which can be found in my “Sacred Nine” threads. A Fin, Delta, Triangle I believe means a “Primary Target”

Daniel…

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:24 am

Z340 6TH line: SACRIFICE

SACRIFICE: a 9 letter word, I had posted that this word was found on page # 24 of LAPSUS CALAMI. “The SACRED NINE” is on page # 42. Subtract 42 from 24 and you get 18.

On page # 24 SACRIFICE is the 36th word from the top and the 18th word from the bottom.

The hard part was to find out how important this word was to the Zodiac. With the work Ak and others have done, I believe I have found a message from the Z340 that looks intentional. Ak, correct me if I’m wrong, Ted had stamped or written F C inside his bombs…(please add more detail to this when you get a chance) I know Ted used a simple form of gematria assigning numbers to letters, the key was found in his cabin. Ted’s gematria key had nothing to do with his complex diagonal cipher key that was also found in his cabin. You can see that Ted’s gematria key paper is yellowed showing its age and indicative to something that was written in the 60’s compared to his most current complex key that’s on white paper.

Using the alphabet: F = (6) C = (3)…F C = 9

Using Ted’s cabin key: F = (15) C = (12)…F C = 27 = 9

I believe Ted was 27 at the time of the Berryessa attack that happened on the 27th of September…it’s the 9th month… September is also a 9 letter word and its 81 years to the day of the Jack the Ripper, Dear Boss letter…Etc

Look at the Z340 from the top, count down 6 lines. Go 6 characters, form left to right…starting from the backwards L…input “SACRIFICE” you will see while you are inputting this word, when you get to the letter F how it falls on the Z340 C and when you are inputting the letter C it falls on the Z340 F to complete F C again, now its inverted to C F and F C or C F appear only this 1 time together in the Z340

Run the ZDecrypto and within 10 to 30 seconds of running… you will see right after the word SACRIFICE: NOW HATE STINE…after 3 to 5 minutes it will complete to: NOT HATE STINE A FIN YOU STINE…ETC

This is what I have so far…I have run and seen so much Zodiac type plain text that this tool can generate. I can understand what the experts here say about coincidence.

Anything in the world could have generated… (If anything at all) after the input of SACRIFICE… but it doesn’t… it generated a clear message about a victim that was killed 4 to 6 weeks prior to the Z340 being mailed.

From how SACRIFICE was discovered and its placement into the 6th line and how it doesn’t change the F C or C F(the importance of the F C =63) and the clear message about a Zodiac Victim that was generated right after the word SACRIFICE… I strongly believe is intentional. I leave this discovery to the cipher and computer scientist experts to look over. SAC/RI/F (I) C 3…

Daniel

onewhoknows, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:37 am

Seriously Daniel, I avoid most of your posts because they are way too complex. And I am
not an idiot, I got an A in Trig. Your solutions or explainations are very schizophrenic.
Having said that I find the above results of the 340 very fascinating. I will go back and review
some more, but I see the first names of many people throughout. As though Zodiac is naming
victims.

onewhoknows, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:54 am

This is what I have so far, once again I’m not sure how you arrived at this solution.
The results have made my stomach hurt.
LONI
REDA
HOPE
THEN
DIE
SACRAFICE NOW
HATE STINE
SO
I GILDE
TASHE
SEA
SHE CRALD N TORC
OLONG WITH
SOCIED AND A NANDUTT
OFTEN ERACT(REACT)
CAN YORE WAS ENDS SON
HALT SELF FRCAS
FAT ANPLE WAS
NORA
SO PIS ICE IT

These are the words I picked out as they appear in the solution. It makes me nervous because this is a voice I recognize.
Remember Zodiac spells phonetically, so he sounds out the spellings. Pis would be Piss for example. Anple is Ample. Socied,
is Society.

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:56 am

Hi Onewhoknows:

I’m happy that you brought that up. I don’t want the “Poet’s Pen”…and the “Sacred Nine” to be confusing or complicated. When you read back and come across something interesting but confusing, please ask me and I’ll explain it in more detail. I have said this before… I’m my own worst enemy about explaining certain things. I promise to work on that.

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:09 pm

Hi Onewhoknows:

I’m happy that I posted “SACRIFICE” so forum members like you may see things that I missed, can you explain some of the names you see.

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:28 pm

AK:

I can’t express enough how important this “FC” is, in connection with “SACRIFICE” and what it has generated.

Ted is his worst own enemy. Ted said FC doesn’t stand for “F@#$%^& Computers”…Ted said FC means “FREEDOM CLUB”. You have to have MEMBERS to form a CLUB…

onewhoknows, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:40 pm

By the way Daniel you do seem very intelligent. I’m thinking Zodiac is naming victims
and the reference to the Sea has me tripping as well. I will post on my suspect’s thread
about his access to the Bay Area water with his parent’s boat and possibly dumping bodies
like Scott Peterson did. This has opened up a whole other set of likely scenarios.

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:54 pm

I took out SACRIFICE and put SACRED NINE 6 spaces over starting at the C

This is how I believe Z uses double meanings in his ciphers. See the 5th line:

BRAIN CHESS could also mean BRAIN CHE…continuing to SAIL (A)LONG COME DA SACRED NINE…STINES TO HEAR SIN…or..STINE STOH (shot) EAR SIN

CHE a hero to the counterculture from that time, was also a chess expert…

There are 41 words here with a good score; I need a second pair of iii’s so have at it…

Daniel

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:01 pm

Maybe Doranchak can answer this, as while I find this work very interesting, does the crypto program seek to create words, so that if you typed in INTERNET, or AKWILKS, it would also generate other words, some of which we might find interesting or relevant?

But assuming there is something here worth exploring, which I think is the case, instead of STINE HEAR SIN, which doesn’t really make sense, I saw that as possisble STINE TO HEARSE. Or STINE TO HEARST.

HEARSE being vehicle to transport the deceased, and HEARST being owner of SF Examiner and other papers, and the basis for film Citizen Kane.

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:27 am

Ak:

That’s why I posted this, good eye…”STINE TO HEARSE” I like it. I believe this part of the Z340 including the FC, SACRIFICE…Ect, is the key to unraveling this cipher.

I can show you what would happen if you input AK WILKS or INTERNET in the same area so you can see the difference, tomorrow though, I’m beat…lol…

It would be nice to hear from Dave O or Glurk…

Daniel

glurk, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:20 am

Since I was asked…

No, ZKDecrypto does not try to create words. In fact, the program does not even know what a ‘word’ is. A dictionary is included, but it is not used in the solving process at all. The dictionary is used ONLY to display words
that have been found in the eventual solution.

What ZKD does, put in simple terms, is this:

1. Randomly assign letters to cipher symbols.
2. Use an algorithm that (via statistics) determines how "English-looking" the result is, and give it a starting score.
3. Swap two letter assignments.
4. Use an algorithm that (via statistics) determines how "English-looking" the result is, and give it a new score.
5. If the new score is better (higher) than the previous score, go back to step 3.
6. Repeat (1) until the end criteria is met.

There is actually much more to it, but the basic idea is simple. It swaps letters around until it finds the arrangement that scores highest, and most resembles English.

That’s basically all it does. It does seem to work pretty effectively, and has been able to solve most ciphers it has been tried on. Except the 340, of course.

I’m quite convinced, and have been for a LONG time that the 340 is not the same type of cipher as the 408. Clearly, with the 340, something else is going on.

-glurk

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Jan 18, 2013 10:44 am

Glurk – Thanks. That helps and I will have to try it myself. And I agree there is another step to the 340

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:56 pm

The unconfirmed Zodiac letter from 12/16/69, I believe is genuine; based from what I have been working on. You can see how the person or persons who wrote this letter used characters from the Z340 that was published a month before. I’m not going into detail about how the Zodiac knew or didn’t know about what was being withheld from the Berryessa crime, not yet anyway…I’m going to talk about the 9 cipher like characters from the letter.

This is a pun or a dig from the Zodiac believing his Z340 cipher would never be cracked. The Zodiac is directing the reader to the 5th line, the (Square) and the (Triangle), he shows you 9 characters, the last 3 form a hook or backwards L that wraps half way around the Zodiac symbol.

If you input the “Poets Pen” into the top 4 lines of the Z340 the 5th line will have 9 left over characters starting with the (Square) and (Triangle) input KACZYNSKI into the 9 spaces:

KABYICZOYYNRYSKOI = KABY I CZOY YN RYSK OI

CABBIE I COZY IN RISK 01

I COZY IN CABBIE RISK 1

I have included a pic of these 2 different ways, with the above and changing homophone K to C and Y to I.

That is the 1st pun from this unconfirmed letter. The second pun is the last 3 characters that hook the Zodiac symbol. Using Kaczynski last name again, sub/atbash decrypt it with the beta code from the Greek Alphabet:

Cipher: KACZYNSKI

Key: ABGDEZHQIKLMNCOPRSTUFXYW

Plain text: JANFWM RJI

Here is your RJI hook from the Z340, RJI = SKI

Look at the 8th line: UU TJK Z…see when you input KACZYNSKI on the 5th line the only other Z to generate is the only 1 to appear next to his initials TJK, Z

The HA, HA, HA, at the bottom of the letter, each HA = 9 using the same Greek Beta Code to get SKI from the RJI hook. Each HA = 9 using the Greek Beta Code and Gematria.

In Ted’s Cabin was found a Gematrai Key, that I believe he used for the Zodiac murders and the parody he created with the Sacred Nine.

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:59 pm

Hi Glurk:

Thank you for explaining your Zodiac Decrypto tool. It has given me hours of fun and frustration. I don’t want what you said taken the wrong, you said:

What ZKD does, put in simple terms, is this:

1. Randomly assign letters to cipher symbols.
2. Use an algorithm that (via statistics) determines how "English-looking" the result is, and give it a starting score.
3. Swap two letter assignments.
4. Use an algorithm that (via statistics) determines how "English-looking" the result is, and give it a new score.
5. If the new score is better (higher) than the previous score, go back to step 3.
6. Repeat (1) until the end criteria is met.

Glurk:

Based on how this tool works and what generated after the input of the word “sacrifice” don’t you believe there could be something more to this?… I understand what you mean that the 340 is not the same as the 408 and you said: “clearly something else is going on”. I agree with you, something else is going on. I said this before; I have spent too many hours to admit, looking for a 408 type solution in the Z340. I wanted to be fair about the “Poets Pen” never pushing this as a solution, even though I believe it’s a least the 1st stage in unlocking the 340.

You had probably read last night my posting on the unconfirmed12/16/69 Zodiac letter and its connection to the 5th line of the “Poets Pen”

I have come to the stark reality of this: The person who I believe is the Zodiac was very smart…He made a cipher and a parody so clever and flirts with his identity but he knows in the end, if the “Poets Pen” was cracked… it would be chalked up to a cool story with a lot of coincidence towards him. (How frustrating)!!!!!!!!!

The Gematria Key found in Ted’s cabin…his connection to FC and his DNA are a few ways we may be able to connect him. I hope we can find more with Ted’s Gematria key and FC.

Daniel

glurk, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:35 am

Daniel-

To be honest, I don’t really think that what you have found is "it." I don’t mean that to be insulting, or discouraging to you at all.

When I first wrote the ZKD solver, and it managed to solve the 408 quickly, I really thought I had something. And then when others made example ciphers in the style of the 408 or the 340, and the program pretty much managed to solve them all, I knew that the program worked. But despite solving almost everyone’s example ciphers, meant to ‘stump’ the program, no progress on the 340 has been made.

And this is over a period of, gosh, I think 6 years now. So, I am almost CERTAIN that if the 340 were ‘just’ a homophonic cipher like the 408, it would have been solved by now.

I still think there is a message in there. I think some other step is involved. What that step is, I do not know.

I’m kind of retired from the whole matter now. The team and I wrote the best solver program we could make, tested it, and worked on it for a few years. We tried, and did our best.

Keep up your work. As I said, I don’t want to discourage anyone from working on it. Maybe you or someone else will find something we did not. But I’m burned out. I still read about new solutions, but there are so many, LOL!

I really wish ZKD could have solved the damn thing and we would all know the solution. I’m sorry that it did not.

-glurk

traveller1st, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:46 am

So, I am almost CERTAIN that if the 340 were ‘just’ a homophonic cipher like the 408, it would have been solved by now.

I still think there is a message in there. I think some other step is involved. What that step is, I do not know.

I concur.

Still doesn’t stop me tackling it as such though or rather letting ZKD tackle it as such. I am learning to step back a little though and allow other thoughts or ideas come through to try.

Aside from the probably 100% percent chance that ZKD would solve it, or as near as, if it was a straightforward homophonic cipher it’s very slowly dawning on me that any of the "solutions" using this approach all fail to solve it in it’s entirety. They all, my own dabblings included, just end up creating words here and there that seem compelling but we are just applying simple substitution to isolated sections which I think makes it less likely to be correct and certainly unverifiable.

Maybe these things we think we find are showthrough’s but probably not but even if they were we wouldn’t know unless we actually did figure out the whole puzzle so basically the only way to verify anything found with this approach would be to solve the thing completely to be totally sure.

I can’t count the number of "stories" I’ve found in this bloody thing tackling it this way, you’ve seen some of my posts on it. The stoopid thing actually seems to bend enough to allow this, it lets you find what you think you’ve found and that’s something different for each person. That’s just way too much flexibility for me to be of any use.

I think if we do stumble on something that we think either solves it or begins to solve it we’ll know about it. I don’t think we’ll be wondering if it "is something" I think it will be apparent or at least more apparent than anything anyone has presented so far.

Still you gotta follow things through to as near a conclusion as you can, I understand that otherwise it would just bug the hell outta ya in case it could have led to something. That’s the nature of the mind trap that is the 340, at this stage anyway.

smithy, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:53 am

Great post.

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:41 pm

Glurk, Trave and Smithy:

I wanted to respond to your comments before I posted anything else. However, this could be important and I want everyone to see this.

I should have noticed this before but I haven’t looked at the Jack Porns, Jack the Ripper (9 Jack) letter in a while.

There is no doubt that a young Gaik saw a copy of this Jack Porns, Jack the Ripper letter in his youth and modeled his writing from it. Here is your curled C and J. This is not a coincidence; he’s clearly emulating the Ripper’s letter.

morf13, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:32 am

Everytime I see Gaik’s writing, I am again reminded how it clearly does not match Zodiac’s

glurk, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:00 am

Everytime I see Gaik’s writing, I am again reminded how it clearly does not match Zodiac’s

Indeed, morf13, indeed. Not only is Richard Gaikowski perhaps the WORST Z suspect ever, the handwriting does not match, the places/locations do not match, and the only people that even bring him up as a ‘suspect’ are people who just don’t know any better.

-glurk

EDITED BY MORF-
I edited this because I dont want to see anybody at any other forums attacked,whether they are right or wrong

smithy, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:01 am

There is no doubt that a young Gaik saw a copy of this Jack Porns, Jack the Ripper letter in his youth and modeled his writing from it.

Daniel, respectfully, I doubt that very much.

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:36 pm

Smithy:

It looks like you’re the only one who picked up on the point that I was trying to make. I’m not comparing Gaik’s writing to Zodiac letters; I’m comparing it to this Oct 13th 1888 Jack the Ripper letter. Gaik clearly is writing in none script but he is curling his C, J, G. The J for Gaik’s mother’s maiden name JUTTING, his middle initial, his C for Richard is nearly identical to the Ripper letter.

I believe Stines bloody shirt letter sent by Z and the shirt pieces arrived on Oct 13th 1969 exactly 81 years to the day of the Jack Porns, Jack the Ripper letter.

Smithy, I have to disagree with you and I’ll give you a very good reason. Gaik intentionally curls some of the letters but not all. He did not curl his J for JOSEPH but did so with 2 other J’s. This is clearly intentional to me. Gaik is a young man who is experimenting with his writing using this particular letter.

Gaik writes in cursive but doesn’t curl any of those letters.

Gaik, writing in cursive: UNEMPLOYED, SEPT and RICHARD GAIKOWSKI. The S for SEPT is nearly identical to the 1st (I) in the Ripper letter. His cap script G is basically a standard script G.

12 years passes and Gaik writes this post card. Keep in mind all of us changes writing style one way or another over the years. I know that I have, it’s natural. Gaik drops the funny looking curled from the top, cap G and changes it so it curls from the bottom to make a sweeping curled single stroke cap G. Which looks awful like an upside down 9, he clearly keeps his curled C for CAILF and S for SCENIC…Etc.

Gaik must have wondered like I did, why this Jack the Ripper letter had a curled J for Jack Porns and a 9 as a J for Jack the Ripper.

I’m going to repeat a couple things that I have already posted that I believe cannot be a coincidence.

JK Stephen founded a newspaper called: REFLECTOR around the time of the Ripper slayings. JK Stephen went mad and was placed into an asylum.

Gaikowski founded or helped establish a counter culture paper called: GOOD TIMES around the time of the Zodiac slayings. Gaikowski went mad and was placed into an asylum.

REFLECTOR and GOOD TIMES = 9 letters.

Coincidence…I don’t believe so…I believe Gaik tried to parody JK Stephen life and the Sacred Nine as much as he could.

Gaik was known as GOAT KIRK…remove GAIK out of that word and there isn’t to much left to anagram using: OTKR…pretty simple homophone jumble: KROT…take GAIK KROT and Sub/Atbash encrypt it with this key:

ABGDEZHQIKLMNCOPRSTUFXYW

Plain text solution: HAIL LSOU…HAIL SOUL…

The RJI hooks in the Z340 have pretty much been determined to be intentional: Sub/Atbash decrypt RJI with the same key.

Plain text solution: SKI

How many suspects with a SKI type last name…let me think…ok, there are 2…I guess you need 2 different names to complete a hook…what fun would it be to use the same person twice.

KACZYN(SKI )= JANFWM(RJI)

GAIKOW(SKI)= CAIJOX(RJI)

If you use Kaczynski cabin code against: CAIJOXRJI, I believe it totals 117 which is a product of 9

I have been doing a lot of thinking and I think I understand the 5th line of the Z340. When you input KACZYNSKI into the 9 places: kaby zcoy yn rysk oI (Y) is a natural homophone for (I) example: Bryan or Brian.

I believe RISK is also GAIK, here is the RI and SKI, (I R)ipper and (RI)ch and ISK for (SKI) remember the emphases of the RI on the BATES envelope. Also, remember the Ripper type references in the confession letter.

Lake Berryessa Sept, 27th 1969 and how it parallels the Sept, 27th 1888 Jack the Ripper debut letter, exactly 81 years to the day of LB. There is an obvious and intentional 9 parody for both. Don’t forget Oct 13th 1969 and 1888 letters.

Remember… it was reported by one of the papers that there were multiple, horrible knife murders of young women in Calif that were compared to Jack the Ripper murders, about the time of the Zodiac. I forgot which forum member posted the articles but this could be important if any evidence was gathered then, it could be compared to any Zodiac evidence or suspects.

So back to SACRIFICE: thinking back now… the 1st 10 seconds of: NEW HATE STINE vs NOW HATE STINE 3 minutes later are more correct. Gaik lived near Stine and most likely new him and for some reason hated him. It could have something to do with the paper Stine was about to start working for???

Z340:

POETS PEN ROYA(LT)UTORS…SEE ECT :

SACRIFICE, NEW HATE STINE A FIN=(primary target) YOU STINE.

I RISK IN COZY CABY

UU TJK

CLIP KNEE JESST

A FIN is a TRIANGLE or DELTA type Symbol and TRIANGLES are primary targets…POE, OPE, PEO=PURITY OF ESSENCE

I am very proud of my work…there is so much more…time is a factor for me, I’m limited from posting of certain things because of that.

Morf:

Please post what you deleted from Glurk’s thread. I will not think any less, than I already do of him.
(I’m kidding…lol)

Ps: I believe there are at least 3 or more people involved.

SACRIFICE = SAC…RI…FIC…3

I can’t mention or post the name who I believe SAC is because he is still alive. I believe SAC is just as smart as Kaczynski.

KACZYNSKI : FC = (63=9) (I=9)

GAIKOWSKI : RI = (27=9), or (RI)CH and R(ISK) and the E is a backwards 3…GOATKIRK=(GAIK KROT= HAIL LSOU)

SAC and FIC are the GEM INI TWINS…if Ted ever had an identical twin it would be SAC and I’m not basing that statement just on there similar looks, there’s more to it.

This Z case is plutonium… its pure poison because of the vast and far reaching implications of the possibility of many involved. If there is any connection to the Ripper murders and Zodiac in which I believe there is. Others would do almost anything to keep it from getting out.

Wigs and disguises and arranged alibis’… these people are very smart and if you see or read something regarding ciphers, letters and cards is only because that’s exactly what they want you to see. You have to Read between the lines with this mythos.

KeySmith: help me explain this part. The best way I can compare this Zodiac mystery to, is from an old Hitchcock movie: “THE ROPE” watch the movie and or read the synopsis of it and you will understand.

Maybe there’s still a chance with DNA…it explains why Ted is doing a good job of not giving it up voluntarily…believe me, if it was anyone but Ted doing a life bid and they lost or misplaced their DNA they would have 4 point restrained that person and take their DNA regardless of the legality or lawsuit, who cares…you’re a felon and the Feds needs your DNA, this isn’t some kind of game or “is it”… oh, you lost my DNA sample and now you can’t have it again…it doesn’t work that way, it’s not suppose to.

By the time they get Kaczynski’s DNA or relatives. This is what I believe will happen. The Zodiac DNA sample will disappear or become too old and contaminated for any conclusive results.

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:07 am

INPUT THE “POETS PEN ROYAL TUTORS” “SEE ETC”

ON THE 5TH LINE INPUT “KACZYNSKI”, ON THE 8TH LINE Z AND RISK WILL GENERATE AFTER TJK INITIALS. CLIP KNEE JESST WILL CONNECT TO AN RJI , SUNY, TK…ETC

AT THE BOTTOM OF THE Z340, RISK APPEARS IN A HOOK OR A CROSS OPPOSITE THE UUUUUU CROSS.
WHEN YOU INPUT KACZYNSKI ONTO THE 5TH LINE, THE TEXT ACTUALLY READS CLEARER RUNNING BACKWARDS: “01 RISK IN COZY KABIE”

MY QUESTION IS, IF THIS IS WRONG… HOW THIS COULD HAPPEN BY CHANCE: (RISK…ETC)
POETS PEN ROYAL TUTORS YOURS TRULY JACK PORNS BY KR UUU PL RIP JKS STEPHANUS SYY ECT:

SEE ETC

UUUUUU CROSS

01 RISK IN COZY KABIE

UU TJK Z RISK

CLIP KNEE JESST

RJI

RISK, RISK (HOOK)

DANIEL

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:58 am

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:46 pm

Ox 7ed 9aczynski his mark

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:40 pm

Hi AK,

And 9 x 7 = 6 3 = F C ……what year did Ted sign this…?

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:08 pm

IIRC it was a high school yearbook, so that would have been 1957-1958. (Correction: 1956).

YEP! It was high school.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1996 … -briefcase

Sandy Lepore, 54, said Kaczynski signed her 1956 yearbook with a mysterious symbol: a circle with an X in the middle of it, followed by his name "Ted Kaczynski" and the words "his mark."

"I wonder if he put this mark on anything else?" said Lepore, of Frankfort.

Jo Ann De Young, 55, told the San Jose Mercury News that Kaczynski once handed her a "hand bomb" that popped when she twisted it apart and may have left a cat’s hide in her locker that they had just dissected in science class.

"He would get this funny little smile on his face, pinch his lips and stick his tongue out a little," said De Young, who lives in California. "That was our clue Ted was up to it again."

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:08 am

AK:

I hope you are sitting down for this….use Ted’s Gematria key found in his cabin and use it against “ HIS MARK” :
HIS =17,18,28 =( 63 ) and MARK= 22,10,27,20 = (79) for
(7×9=63) or (T=7) X(K=9)=63

Ted is referring and a tribute to the 9 Jack(“his mark”) in this Jack the Ripper letter. I knew Ted’s Gematria key, paper looked old and 13 years later we have the Berryessa murder “BY KNIFE” 81 Years to the day of the debut of the Dear Boss, Jack the Ripper letter. “Sept 27th 1888 and Sept 27th 1969” at (6:3)0 pm…etc…etc…

Daniel

AK Wilks, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:47 am

Following all your work with interest. I don’t always totally agree with all of your conclusions but you have many very interesting ideas and have made some great discoveries. You should check out some of Kite’s latest work, some of his ideas are similar to yours.

http://unazod.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=152

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:18 am

D = 13
R = 27
G = 16
U = 30
I = 18
D = 13
I = 18
N = 23
I = 18

Z = 35
O = 24
D = 13
I = 18
U = 30
S = 28
——–
324 = 9 (HIS MARK)

Ak:

I briefly looked over Kite’s postings and came up with this using Ted’s Gematria cabin key. I’ll read the rest of Kite’s postings tonight.

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:13 am

The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.

Friedrich Nietzsche 9

I’m not trying to get into an anagram war with anyone here. I already know about anagrams…but… if you take:

THEODORE KACZYNSKI = 17 characters and take NIETZSCHI out from his name which is 9 letters. There’s not much left and Ko Ko or ok ok is easily found…input KO KO and DR was easily generated and YA is left.

DR NIETZSCHI KO KO YA = THEODORE KACZYNSKI

Daniel

Daniel Gillotti, Subject: Re: Z340 and "The Sacred Nine"   Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:08 am

Thanks Doranchak, for making this happen, copying all the old posts from the former site looks like a lot of work! Hope Morf buys you a company Z car!
Zincerely, Zam *

Doranchak this looks really good. You got all the graphics and the back and forth of posters communicating.

Daniel–

The code stuff starts to boggle my brain! But…your work on it is appreciated. Someday, someone might really find something. Probably won’t be me.

Daniel–

The code stuff starts to boggle my brain! But…your work on it is appreciated. Someday, someone might really find something. Probably won’t be me.

Ditto.

Daniel, is it the square and/or cross as seen to the left here in my avatar and also as the cross-hair in the Z symbol?

Thanks, Daniel. I’ll follow along with interest but I can’t offer two cents in deciphering.

Daniel–

Have you looked at Ak Wilk’s code/cipher stuff on Ted? You should compare with his things. He has done a lot of work with it.

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I don’t have a highlighter in Microsoft paint and I didn’t want to add anything more to this rough draft of the “tree of life” it gets a little confusing.

Dan, try selecting the piece you want to "highlight" then use "image" "Invert colors". It’s not a highlight, but it does help.

No Dan I’m sorry I don’t, although I always find your posts interesting and insightful.

Not my solution. It was posted on the old board, I think by someone named "z_assay". Some time later, they quit the board, which is why the user name did not appear in the messages I copied from the old board.

Question: are we to suppose Z waited at some all-important latitude and longitude until a potential victim arrived? Sorry, but it seems a bit far-fetched to me.