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Definitely a very good read.

For those who believe that Z had killed Cheri Jo Bates (‘Riverside activities’ credit; March 13, 1971 letter):

The article mentions Cecelia Shepard being a music student at Riverside University. Cheri Jo Bates lived in Riverside, too. The probability that both victims are accidentially connected to Riverside can be calculated or at least estimated:

Probability that CS had accidentially chosen Riverside after going to Pacific Union College in Angwin:

Californian counties:
1 : 58 or 1.72%

Riverside population vs. Californian population around 1966-1969 (roughly):
2m : 35m or 5.7%

All US counties (roughly):
1 : 3,200 or 0.03%

Californian Universities:
1:130 or 0.8%

Thus, no matter how one looks at it, the probability that Cecelia Shepard had accidentially chosen Riverside is less than 6%..she might have done so with a probability of 100% from her (!) own point of view, but in reverse conclusion, the probability that both victims – both having ties to Riverside – are not only connected by their killer but had known

– each other or
– had both known Z from Riverside or
– Z had known both of them from Riverside

is greater than 94%. Why is that? Because when Z had killed another victim, that victim not necessarily must have ties to Riverside (indeed other victims did not).

That may sound weird on the first look but ‘accidential’ ties to Riverside of both victims, due to the circumstance that Cecelia Shepard could have studied anywhere else, not only in California but the whole US (if not the whole world), is in fact less than 6%.

To deny such 94% is actually not useful because both victims were killed by Z, thus are irrevocably connected to each other anyway (the previous still while assuming both were killed by Z, of course).

The question arising is what type of connection had existed between CS and CJB? Or did they had know their killer from Riverside separately? Either might be the case. They also could have ben connected without knowing each other personally, e.g. by a common friend or a common group where both, actually all three, were active.

We should have a quick look on such potential groups of persons:

– CS is known to have been flying to Riverside (possibly with Darlene Ferrin watching CJB’s murder – Pam Huckaby statement). No proof / hint, however that CJB had ever been to the Bay area, Napa, Vallejo – Negative

– CS went to University of Riverside while CJB went to RCC – Negative

– CJB was from Omaha, Nebraska while CS had no known ties to Omaha – Negative

– CJB went to St. Catherine’s Catholic Church (on the day of her murder) while CS was Seventh Adventist – Negative

– Z had ties to RCC (killing CJB there) and Angwin (pea market) or at least Lake Berryessa, with CJB not proven to have any ties to Angwin or Lake Berryessa – Negative

– CJB went for being a ‘Junior Princess’ while CS is not know to have taken part in any beauty contest – Negative

– CJB worked part time in the Riverside National Bank, CS is not known to have work in any or that specific bank – Negative

– CJB was a cheerleader, same is not known from CS (at least not at the same school) – Negative

– CJB’s boyfriend, Dennis Highland, went to RCC then transferred to San Francisco State College to play football – SLIGHTLY POSITIVE (due to his connection to the Bay area)

– CS studied music at the University of Riverside while CJB was actually playing the piano, too. CJB was also taking part in musicals – POSITIVE (especially with Z referring to the ‘Mikado’)

IMO there remain moreless only two potentially connecting groups between both victims:

1. Music

One friend (of CJB) recalls when, in junior high, they competed in a talent show together, dressed up like sailors and sung “I’m Gonna Wash that Man Right Out of My Hair” from the musical “South Pacific.”

With CS studying music, CJB very well might have had a direct or indirect connection to CJB. Besides that, on the day of her murder, CJB is known to have borrowed three books about "English composition" from the library. Also, the Bates family later set up some memorial scholarship for music students.

2. Football

With CJB being a cheerleader, she might have met her killer during her cheerleading activities. Besides people who visit such games, there are the players on the field, too (those having a special connection to their cheerleaders sometimes). That might be interesting as CJB’s boyfriend had started to study at San Francisco State College, which is at least somehow in the area of the other Z crimes (those again connected to CS’ murder – LB car door / diverse letters).

Then there is Paul Stine. He also attended classes at San Francisco State University. Also, Jim Crabtree – ex of Darlene Ferrin – had claimed that he grew up with ‘Susan Alexander’ (in DF’s address book), who attended drama courses at San Francisco State University.

There is a possibility, for example, that a friend / team player (or opposite team player) of Dennis Highland had killed both, CJB and CS. It’s a slight one, because CS not necessarily had any ties to football nor to the San Francisco State College, but at least that is one of only few – if not the only – connection of CJB to the San Francisco area.

Personally I prefer the first ‘idea’ of where CS and CJB could have met each other as well as their killer through music or musicals. We already know that Z had at least some knowledge about music (replicating the Mikado without copying it correctly from a song book). Knowing that, there is a possibility that both, Cheri Jo Bates as well as Cecelia Shepard, had met their killer common music activities. Even Betty Lou Jensen & David Faraday had planned or even went to a concert before getting killed (rehearsal in advance?).

Additional ideas of what common music / musical connection or activities could have existed between CS and CJB (or any other victims) are welcome. That, of course, might help to identify the ‘group’ in which Z could have been involved, too.

"English composition"
http://www.sfweekly.com/news/yesterdays … be-zodiac/

Many details, good read:
https://www.pe.com/2013/11/30/riverside … a-mystery/

Susan Alexander (thx TheForeigner):
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … 5&start=50

QT

The Santa Cruz Sentinel 19-Oct-1969

Also References crosses etched onto her body ?

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SCS19691019 … rd——-1

Also don’t forget.

THE DOMINGOS AND EDWARDS MURDERS

Robert George Domingos – Star in Football team
Linda Edwards – Cheerleader

Here’s the autopsy report, Cragle. You tell us.
http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … p?album=79

Wasn’t Fred Manalli an American football player? Nice work cragle I’ve. Ever seen that article before

Here’s the autopsy report, Cragle. You tell us.
http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … p?album=79

The wounds in the shape of a cross thing is false. Confirmed by this report and by Hartnell who said that Cecilia was rolling around and thrashing while being stabbed. No way Zodiac could be meticulous with his knife thrusts.

The News article is REPLYING to The Zodiac. It is coded as well, so they were communicating back.
I’ll go through later and explain what I am seeing. (Maybe… at least to the person who understands this… someone understands it for sure. So do I)
Whoever wrote this was doing so with someone(the police, FBI , etc, someone who codes) and they were actually REPLYING TO ZODIAC in this news article.

this tells me that someone code person recognized the code. They are doing the same thing back to him in this article.

now, one of the things that I really noticed was Dangerue. why did they spell it that way in the article.

it really is not how the code works but it resemsbles kangerue = kangeroo … that is not how this code works but it’s interesting because a kangeroo is a JOEY..
probably is nothing, but my brain picks up on these things.

They are also asking him or telling him do they take out the first letters and then pick the rest of the letters.
It seems to me that they kind of understand what he is coding to them, but they are repeating it back to see if what all they THINK he told them, if it really is right.

I see so much coding in this article it is without a doubt a reply to the Z communication. (my question would be to them… What Are You Doing?)
Riddle ME this !!!

because of what they are saying in the article, we know he gave them instructions. So they do have a KEY for that communication, and they are letting him know that they understand what was said in the communication.
Now I don’t think they understood ALL of it, but they are repeating back what they think they are suppose to do.

so the authorities already knew at this time some of the KEYS to the code breaking. and they had a lot of the HIDDEN instructions, because they got a lot more info out of that than the SURFACE solution.
It this is true, and I am totally sure of it after reading the article, then there is a very good chance the authorities (probably the fbi, not cops) knew exactly who they were dealing with. maybe not the name(although they seem to be calling the communicator JOEY, or maybe some austrialian person something to do with a kangeroo? is there a military term for a kangeroo? I’ll check and also for other meanings.

I’ll go through the article when I have more time(I’m working on tons of coded stuff right now) and I’ll show you how I am finding this coded stuff in here

also, why publish it in the Pacific Stars and Stripes Newspaper. (oh wait, but that is the LA TIMES)
and notice they say swatch… that is a code word for sure, and black and white lines. and SHADY, it tells the communicator of The Zodiac, they understand him.

now look at this… this is why they pick the Pacific Stars and Stripes Newspaper to communicate back to the communicator of the Z correspondence. they are telling The Zodiac, they KNOW who this is, they already KNOW
what The Zodiac is. And they get his code for the most part…right off.

About Stars and Stripes Newspaper, Pacific Editions, 1945-1963
This database contains issues from some Pacific editions of the ‘Stars and Stripes’ newspaper from 1945 to 1963.

The ‘Stars and Stripes’ newspaper began during the Civil War. It appeared during World War I and was re-established during World War II by President Roosevelt to boost troop morale.

The newspaper was printed specifically for the armed forces and reported on the progress of the war, activities of the U.S. troops, and news from the home front (including sports, comics, and editorials).

Different editions of the paper were printed for the different theaters of operation. Most of the editions began as weekly papers and later turned into dailies. By the end of the war, 30 different editions had been published in Europe, North Africa, and Asia.

The first Pacific edition of the ‘Stars and Stripes’ was published in Honolulu, Hawaii in May 1945. Later that same year editions began being published in China and Japan as well.

The ending of the war resulted in a reduction of the newspaper’s readership and staff, as well as many other changes. Publication locations were closed and editions were consolidated. However, the paper continued to be published for the occupational forces and other armed services still employed. In 1951, during the Korean War, a Korean edition was published for the troops in Korea. In peacetime the newspaper reported on domestic and international news stories.

The above information was taken from the Descriptive Pamphlet to The ‘Stars and Stripes’ Newspaper of the U.S. Armed Forces in the Pacific, 1945-1963, NARA Microfilm Publication M1624.

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now as I posted in another thread on here, ZODIAC AND THE RIDDLER.

you can see SOME RIDDLER sent a communication in 1963… telling of some murder that was about to happen(but we can’t be absolutely sure of that because most all of the communication is not available, but I can see enough to understand it, but I can’t prove it because without the rest of it I can’t SHOW MY WORK OR THE "CHECKS", but believe me I can GUESS very well.

and I could not understand at all why the 1963 Riddler would pop up THEMSELF and send in their own correspondence like that IDENTIFYING THEMSELF PERSONALLY. and WHY in 1963 of all years? before anything really weird was happening all over cali with all the crazy factions popping up. well take a look at the date THE STARS AND STRIPES ENDED… 1963. what month ? let me go find out. Was it before November 2nd, or maybe the person knew it would not have any more issues to communicate? something weird going on here. so then where would the 1963 Riddler go to communicate? hmmm.

I might be hard to follow here, but I know SOMEONE is going to GET IT.

I really do have reservations about doing what I just did. but Time Has Come Today

let’s talk

okay they are replying back to The Zodiac in these papers on these dates
let me get the dates

if we can get these papers we can read what they replied back to him.

They full well know who this person is who is THE RIDDLER and I believe it is the same one from 1963.
wow, I have to get this all in one place… i will