Some interesting article about Z’s weapon. Also, Karl Werner most likely responsible for Shelley Holmboe, Snoozy & Furlong. All those three cases in San Jose, thus unlikely related to Z. Instead, Karl Werner a serial child killer (‘Picnic murderer’?):
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Article found today, ~51 yrs. later (San Bernardino Sun, 21st October, 1969).
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Karl Werner was responsible for the Snoozy and Furlong murders, as well as Kathy Bilek. Zodiac was absolutely not responsible for any, including Shelley Holmboe. SAN JOSE (UPI)-A two-year-old Los Gatos girl, who was believed to have died at the hands of a knife-wielding slayer five days ago, apparently was killed by a pack of wild dogs. Santa Clara County Coroner l John Hauser said Thursday.
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https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
It raises some questions, after all:
Bates+Faraday+Jensen+Ferrin+Shepard+Stine = 6 victims [corrected]
In his Bus bomb letter, however, Z claimed 7 victims.
If not previous Dec 1967:
Barbara Jane Parkin (Perkins?) – Nurse, from Vallejo (WHICH HOSPITAL?)
Mary Jo Zinger Tate (missing)
Stuart E. Maher (‘A man who "waddled like a duck" was being sought’)
Elizabeth ‘Liz’ Lurene Ernstein
Ann Bernice Duncan (missing)
Joseph Brodnick (interrupted robbery, rather ruled out)
Leona LaRell Roberts (rather ruled out as after her killing Z still referred to Paul Stine)
Not plenty cases in the Bay Area to pick out two additional Z victims..Barbara Jane Parkin a definite one? Multiple gunshot wounds
http://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/opzv/722.html
"Sheriff Louis Montanos and Deputy Coroner Keith Craig said pending further investigation, they had no clues and no suspects, although one man she was known to have had a phone talk with last Wednesday has been questioned."
She was wounded at her left ear, similar to Faraday..oh…and went to the same school like Jensen (Vallejo High). Does not sound like some coincidence to me….
Who was that guy?
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"Bates+Faraday+Jensen+Shepard+Stine = 5 victims".
Don’t you mean Faraday+Jensen+Ferrin+Shepard+Stine = 5 victims.
Many papers subsequent to September 27th 1969 pondered a link between Zodiac and the Aug 3rd Snoozy/Furlong murders. Zodiac just obliged on November 8th 1969, with "Aug", insinuating his involvement in the Snoozy/Furlong murders. Even law enforcement realized in 1969 that the "Aug" reference was the August 3rd 1969 murders. This connection had been worked out 50 years ago.
Faraday+Jensen+Ferrin+Shepard+Stine+Snoozy+Furlong = 7 victims.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
"Bates+Faraday+Jensen+Shepard+Stine = 5 victims".
Don’t you mean Faraday+Jensen+Ferrin+Shepard+Stine = 5 victims.
Many papers subsequent to September 27th 1969 pondered a link between Zodiac and the Aug 3rd Snoozy/Furlong murders. Zodiac just obliged on November 8th 1969, with "Aug", insinuating his involvement in the Snoozy/Furlong murders. Even law enforcement realized in 1969 that the "Aug" reference was the August 3rd 1969 murders. This connection had been worked out 50 years ago.
Faraday+Jensen+Ferrin+Shepard+Stine+Snoozy+Furlong = 7 victims.
Correct but not Snoozy/Furlong as Z victims, imo. Those were often misunderstaken to be those (two) victims – in fact they were not at all. Two is too many, by the way. Other, multiple reasons, without going into details: Werner confessed, neck stabbing, young teenagers (children), picnic, San Jose area, white van (Werner), ‘insane’ overkill (300 stab wounds) – all not Z style, even if considering Lake Berryessa. He confessed, too. Thus, only one is lacking to be identified as a Z victim from the list above.
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I said Zodiac was claiming the Snoozy and Furlong murders, I didn’t say he committed them. Zodiac had committed 5 murders by November 8th 1969, so the two remaining in "Aug" were Snoozy and Furlong. He didn’t murder them obviously, but he claimed he did. There are masses of additional evidence, including three further Zodiac communications, in which he claimed he was their killer. But I will leave that for you to find.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
I said Zodiac was claiming the Snoozy and Furlong murders, I didn’t say he committed them. Zodiac had committed 5 murders by November 8th 1969, so the two remaining in "Aug" were Snoozy and Furlong. He didn’t murder them obviously, but he claimed he did. There are masses of additional evidence, including three further Zodiac communications, in which he claimed he was their killer. But I will leave that for you to find.
I think what you write here is incorrect: Z never claimed to having killed Furlong/Snoozy. Instead, including Bates, only one person from count 6 to count 7 still to be identified/defined. But if you want to, please, go ahead showing where Z had claimed either Furlong or Snoozy as one of his victims, or even both?.
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Apart from the fact Bates isn’t a canonical Zodiac victim, unclaimed by November 8th 1969, I won’t explain the rest in detail because I have done it before. Once you find the correct Monticello neighborhood, it’s self explanatory.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
Apart from the fact Bates isn’t a canonical Zodiac victim, unclaimed by November 8th 1969, I won’t explain the rest in detail because I have done it before. Once you find the correct Monticello neighborhood, it’s self explanatory.
Another try to claim Bates isn’t a Z victim?
You can’t go into detail because there is none: Z did not refer to these murders at all.
Also, there is multiple Monticello places, even in Virginia. 3-9 miles is a lot, especially if victims Snoozy/Furlong are not related to the term ‘Monticello’ at all..
Instead, Werner was a graduate of the same school (Oak Grove High School). Also, Bilek case was tied to Furlong/Snoozy even before Werner was caught due to the stabbing pattern. When caught, he confessed to Snoozy/Furlong…all to be ignored? Besides that, even his light-colored van was seen near the murder site.
But to continue…Bilek was birdwatching on the spot where Snoozy/Furlong had been killed – so Bilek is also a Z victim, according to you? As all three of them had been stabbed mostly on the same spot, wounded anywhere but not in the groin/breasts area? Opposite to Shepard?
I won’t force you into any direction of thinking – I also thought for years that those two could have been Z victims – but meanwhile my opinion is pretty much a different one. I wish we knew more about Barbara Jane Parkin, the Vallejo nurse…at least where she used to work.
Rather the case that Mary Jo Zinger Tate or Joy M. Hungerford could be other victims of Werner, imo.
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White van seen at Furlong/Snoozy scene:
http://www.maebrussell.com/1960s%20Terr … layer.html
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"Another try to claim Bates isn’t a Z victim?".
Cheri Jo Bates wasn’t murdered under the umbrella of Zodiac, so no, she wasn’t a canonical Zodiac victim. Whether she was murdered by the same person responsible for the Bay Area murders is another matter entirely. Clearly you find it amusing that somebody could have a different opinion than you – and have officially declared the Bates murder Zodiac. It must be so therefore.
"Bilek was birdwatching on the spot where Snoozy/Furlong had been killed – so Bilek is also a Z victim, according to you?"
Bilek wasn’t birdwatching on the spot where Snoozy/Furlong had been killed and nobody has ever claimed she was. I also have never claimed Bilek was a Zodiac victim.
"I won’t force you into any direction of thinking – I also thought for years that those two could have been Z victims".
Again, I have never claimed they are Zodiac victims. I suggest you actually read what people write, before objecting to something nobody has written. You are creating a straw man argument.
https://www.zodiacciphers.com/
“I simply cannot accept that there are, on every story, two equal and logical sides to an argument.” Edward R. Murrow.
Everything fine – this thread is about 9mm vs. cases such as Shelley Holmboe, anyway. I won’t explain the rest in detail because I have done it before.
If we knew all the details the case wouldn’t be interesting anymore..amusing? No. Not yet.
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