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Regarding Shepard/Hartnell – could have happened that Dee watched CJB’s murder. Pam said something like that, didn’t she?

Dean Ferrin’s brother attacked Cecelia Shepard and Bryan Hartnell because Darlene Ferrin might have seen Paul Ferrin kill Cheri Jo Bates?

OK, that’s enough for me. I’m out.

Can’t stick the things together, yet. But I guess ‘if so it is weird’. True. Merry Xmas

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Posted : December 27, 2020 1:34 am
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That’s a bit of high bar isn’t it? Not knowing a suspects whereabouts does nothing to refute any of the other claims.

I suppose this is a bit of a "why go down this road to begin with" type of suspect. However, the tid bit that would make this line of enquiry worthwhile, is those damnable alleged phone calls that haunt this case. It’s another one of those claims that can never be satisfactorily established, but the reality of which would have a major effect on how we look at this case. I’d say these phone calls are the single most important allegation in the entire case. If they took place in the manner and time that they are always said to, then it would make the chances of the killer knowing the victim very high indeed. Did anyone ever get to the bottom of those calls?

 
Posted : December 27, 2020 5:30 am
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In roughly 80% of all (solved) homicides, the victim was known or related to his or her killer. This to be seen, the murderer of Darlene Ferrin was most likely also either a family member, a friend, a neighbor or an employer.

Excellent! We just need to find someone who is also related to Betty Lou Jensen, David Faraday, Cecilia Shepard, Bryan Hartnell, and Paul Stine.

 
Posted : December 27, 2020 7:54 am
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In roughly 80% of all (solved) homicides, the victim was known or related to his or her killer. This to be seen, the murderer of Darlene Ferrin was most likely also either a family member, a friend, a neighbor or an employer.

Excellent! We just need to find someone who is also related to Betty Lou Jensen, David Faraday, Cecilia Shepard, Bryan Hartnell, and Paul Stine.

True :)

BOBBY RAYMOS, a friend of Darlene, has stated that Darlene had told her she knew both Faraday and Jensen. Bobby Ramos has been filmed and questions asked [source: Howard Davis; I guess he is referring to Bobby Ramos’ police report about who Darlene’s friends actually had been].

PAMELA HUCKABY, Darlene’s sister, stated that Darlene knew Betty Lou and David. She also stated that Betty Lou had been a babysitter for Darlene. Even that Darlene had told her she had witnessed a murder. Unsure if all of this is correct but this being a second person confirming they had known each other.

Finally, Betty Lou Jensen and Darlene Ferrin went to the same school (Hogan High). David Faraday went to a different school (Vallejo High) but was with Betty Lou. Both planned to visit the Christmas concert at Hogan High.

This not to be enough, Dean Ferrin had gone to the same school like David Faraday (Vallejo High, 1962 yearbook).

The Cecilia Shepard and Bryan Hartnell situation is different:
Both were attending a Pacific Union College in Angwin. It is unknown, however, if there had been any connection between those two and Darlene at all. The only known connection is the Lake Berryessa car door, given by Z himself (thus invalid to prove they had known each other in advance). IF Z’s reason, however, for wearing a mask was because he had feared Cecilia to recognize him (thus ‘spoiling’ his attack by stepping back / running away), he had obviously expected her to do so. Even Hartnell remembered to having heard his voice somewhere, if I recall one of his reports correctly. Also there would be no other reason for such mask, at least not if there was the serious intention to kill both of them. Because who would ever ‘tell’ about his disguise??

Not to forget that Z had parked directly behind their car, somehow indicating that he had followed them. Just a car for itself, parked in some rural area, does not automatically mean any people around. It might have been the car of a fisherman or other people who had hiked away even hours ago. In such case – whom would he attack? With his prepared gun, knife, mask and linen?

But correct, in fact we don’t know about any connection between Ferrin and Shepard. Opposite, Cecilia Shepard had a connection to Riverside, the same city where Cheri Jo Bates had been murdered. The same city, one out of ~500 in California. Accidential? I don’t think so (statistical chance: 0.2%..). On top of that, Cheri Jo Bates and Cecilia Shepard were both into (educational) music.

So yes, there is severe lack of knowledge regarding any FERRIN / SHEPARD / STINE connection. Except Harry Martin, publisher of the Napa Sentinel, once claimed that Darlene and Paul Stine had used the same boarding house in San Francisco (unknown if correct).

After reviewing the previous, however, I wouldn’t go as far as to say there wasn’t any connection amongst his victims. There even is no need for such connection, if he had known them from different occasions. A sister in law as well as a babysitter and a guy he had known from school is more than enough. And it may be assumed that Z had continued killing other people without knowing them. Most likely, he even did not know Paul Stine, at least not very well, as he had addressed to him in a very anonymous way ("I am the murderer of the taxi driver") instead of referring to him as an individual.

QT

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https://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/dfablj/172.html+&cd=11&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=a t”> https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ … clnk&gl=at
(Comments from ‘Howard’ and Pam Huckaby)

https://abc7news.com/zodiac-killer-ciph … 0/8696592/
(nice video)

UPDATE:
In 2013, the name was already discussed as being present in Darlene’s notebook:
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … f=28&t=745
Likely because ofhim being the brother-in-law (direct contact to the victim).

In 2016, even more interesting, the name showed up again, this time on the "playing the percentages" list:
http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtop … 8&start=40
There he showed up SOLELY because of the ‘bottom lid‘ clue (thanks to Barry S. providing such list).
The list contained 994 names out of a total ~585,000 Napa/Solano inhabitants (0.17%)

To ‘compare’ what we are actually dealing with:
Imagine you talk to 588 people on the street (not knowing anyone of those) – and the first one you talk turns out to be your brother in law..

QT

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Posted : December 27, 2020 11:46 am
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