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CuriousCat
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The narrative i’m hoping others will explore is that of the link between Zodiac and SFC, for reasons previously mentioned.

OK, I’m working from memory here which is a dangerous thing for me to do, so forgive me if I get something wrong.

I know I have read about people who question a connection between Zodiac and the SF Chronicle. If memory serves me correctly, Paul Stine was a journalism student at the time of his murder, had worked as a journalist before, but at some small newspaper. I believe I am correct that those are facts.

I also think I read that it was rumoured that Paul Stine had been offered a job at the SF Chronicle just a few days before his murder. I don’t think that has ever been confirmed but perhaps someone who is familiar with it will chime in, maybe Tom or someone else will clarify.

 
Posted : January 23, 2019 11:32 pm
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The narrative i’m hoping others will explore is that of the link between Zodiac and SFC, for reasons previously mentioned.

OK, I’m working from memory here which is a dangerous thing for me to do, so forgive me if I get something wrong.

I know I have read about people who question a connection between Zodiac and the SF Chronicle. If memory serves me correctly, Paul Stine was a journalism student at the time of his murder, had worked as a journalist before, but at some small newspaper. I believe I am correct that those are facts.

I also think I read that it was rumoured that Paul Stine had been offered a job at the SF Chronicle just a few days before his murder. I don’t think that has ever been confirmed but perhaps someone who is familiar with it will chime in, maybe Tom or someone else will clarify.

Yes I believe I heard all too! I heard Stine and Chronicle as well and not sure if that was just a rumor as well. I think Paul working for The Chronicle came from his wife.

 
Posted : January 24, 2019 3:07 am
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Interesting both of you,
I had a little read about this specifically and there seems to be no evidence of and was dismissed on the basis that he was a english major, not a journalist.

Which doesn’t sound like firm grounds to dismiss the notion he was looking for work at SFC, A english major could be a invaluable proofreader for the paper and would seem like a fitting entry role.

But nothing concrete i can see.

Anyone able to confirm his university as San Fran State?
edit , yes he was.

Yes, dyslexia is probably my first undiagnosed language.

 
Posted : January 24, 2019 4:55 am
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Just going to put this link up,

http://relentless2007.files.wordpress.com

He was a Linguist Professor at SF University, though i can’t find a faculty alumni stating the duration of his tenure , he graduated in 57 from SFU.

I find this POI to be interesting on many levels, I Didn’t realize this possible link till now.

But i digress.

Yes, dyslexia is probably my first undiagnosed language.

 
Posted : January 24, 2019 5:30 am
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What I remember is Paul was supposed to start his job at The Chronicle like 4 days after he passed. Again believe that info came from his wife. I think Paul had a degree in Journalism and not English. Got that from Graysmith’s book. Again could be wrong but not Bloody likely lol.

 
Posted : January 24, 2019 7:51 am
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What I remember is Paul was supposed to start his job at The Chronicle like 4 days after he passed. Again believe that info came from his wife. I think Paul had a degree in Journalism and not English. Got that from Graysmith’s book. Again could be wrong but not Bloody likely lol.

Thank you,
like curiouscat says it’s dangerous to go off my memory but i’m rather certain i have read something very similar to what you are saying.

It is a problem these minute details they get lost in the wash.

If anyone knows where to find Faculty Alumni for San Fran state university in the 60-70 period please share.

Yes, dyslexia is probably my first undiagnosed language.

 
Posted : January 24, 2019 8:48 am
CuriousCat
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There is a long thread about Paul Stine possibly going to work for the SFC over at Tom’s forum. I looked through it yesterday and as of now it seems it’s unconfirmed. The info came from Tom himself I believe? Hopefully he will stop by here and shed some light on it, or someone who remembers it all better than I do.

 
Posted : January 24, 2019 8:47 pm
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That’s a good point. Someone is not going to typically finish a PhD in October and be available to go to work. You more commonly finish a PhD at the end of a semester.

He conceivably could have lined up a part-time job at the Chronicle and juggled it with his studies – since that’s apparently what the cab driving gig was.

But has anyone confirmed he was actually enrolled at State College at that point? And what classes he was taking, and who his professors were? Was he writing a thesis?

Any article in the SF State student newspaper about a student who was murdered?

Anyone confirm how many hours he was working as a cab driver, and what his weekly schedule was?

 
Posted : January 24, 2019 10:17 pm
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The Chronicle was Zodiac’s bread & butter….so-to-speak. Of course, as he progressed, they were his go-to newspaper. It would be like CNN/Fox v. local news stations of today. Who gives you more coverage?

I think someone else had the infatuation with Paul Avery. Zodiac was too hung-up on himself to give anyone else attention. imo.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : January 24, 2019 10:45 pm
Tahoe27
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Chat with Carol Stine where she acknowledges Paul taking a job at the Chronicle.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/zodiack … t7606.html


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : January 24, 2019 10:53 pm
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Thanks Tahoe, read the first part of it, some of the answers sound shaky, with all due respect. Are you sure it’s not a hoax?

 
Posted : January 25, 2019 12:22 am
Tahoe27
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Thanks Tahoe, read the first part of it, some of the answers sound shaky, with all due respect. Are you sure it’s not a hoax?

First part of what?


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : January 25, 2019 11:29 am
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Tahoe the first part of the transcription of the chat with Carol that you linked to.

 
Posted : January 25, 2019 11:49 am
ZteveMcQueen
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Paul Avery is Zodiac ? Okay this is well at least a new theory and curious to hear more. No wonder nobody knows who Paul’s favorite Zodiac suspect he was investigating.

Paul Avery is not the Zodiac. He was still in Saigon at the time of the first two murders.

B-but in the movie Robert Downey, Jr. was in the boardroom when they read the first letter. :lol: Darned movie. I love watching it, but it keeps me confused about what was in the movie vs. what really happened.

Zodiac was a screwup. He left behind five breathing victims, two survivors, bootprints, possibly fingerprints and palmprints, tiretracks, eyewitnesses, and earwitnesses. If the APB had gone out for a WMA he would have been locked up in ’69.

 
Posted : January 25, 2019 4:22 pm
Tahoe27
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Tahoe the first part of the transcription of the chat with Carol that you linked to.

Gotcha. Not sure what to think about the chat transcript. While I do believe it was Carol, I can’t say how she knows what she knows—from recollection or events as told to her. I personally questioned some of her memories of what (and when) happened to her when she left her mother’s house and was followed by a white Chevy…but that is for another thread.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : January 25, 2019 10:06 pm
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