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(@themysterymachine)
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As Seagull pointed out, Bolle drew those cartoons. He also used Egyptian themes, including reincarnation. Plenty of skeletons – and instructions to ‘whip’ uppity women into obedience…

http://frankbolle.com/latest_news.htm

(Notice his characters’ names.) Too many coincidences to be chance, I think.
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Posted : June 5, 2015 11:25 am
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…What I find so intriguing is that there is NOTHING in his writings that would betray this particular fascination for cowboys…

For men of Z’s likely age, it would almost be a given – and go without saying.

For lads growing up in the 30’s and 40’s especially, fictional cowboys were the number one action heroes.

Lake Berryessa could well be Z acting out in cowboy-villain mode. Moseying on down, pistol holstered on hip. Even tying up "the gal" – just like in the western melodramas of the silent movie days.

Maybe even a clew in the first letters… "Brand name of ammo was western" :?:

 
Posted : June 5, 2015 6:43 pm
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…What I find so intriguing is that there is NOTHING in his writings that would betray this particular fascination for cowboys…

For men of Z’s likely age, it would almost be a given – and go without saying.

For lads growing up in the 30’s and 40’s especially, fictional cowboys were the number one action heroes.

Lake Berryessa could well be Z acting out in cowboy-villain mode. Moseying on down, pistol holstered on hip. Even tying up "the gal" – just like in the western melodramas of the silent movie days.

Maybe even a clew in the first letters… "Brand name of ammo was western" :?:

That’s true. They were sort of hogtied, bound facedown. So that’s something. The whole bit about killing a guard when he escaped prison in Montana …
Personally I can’t imagine Z having the guts to do such a thing, so its fitting that he makes some stupid claim, tho I remain confused as to why he never said, "I am the Zodiac" to Bryan or Cecelia.

I guess cowboys would be something which the boyhoods of many would have been subsumed in without it having to be overt.

 
Posted : July 7, 2015 2:18 pm
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^^^Another reason the HC doesn’t convince me that was Zodiac.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : July 7, 2015 8:18 pm
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You know why I like you, T?

You make a great discovery, connecting the Tim Holt comics to the Halloween Card, giving the "connect-the-dots-even-when-there-are-no-actual-dots" crowd a veritable gold mine to construct theories from…but you don’t actually think the damn card was Z’s work.

That, to me, is the mark of a true researcher.

Just sayin’. And don’t get any ideas – I still think you’re a nut for your LB theories. ;)

 
Posted : July 7, 2015 9:24 pm
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Thanks Norse. :D

A kind word is always appreciated, and I’m good with nutty as long as I am not the cherry on top. (The supreme of all kooky)


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : July 7, 2015 9:38 pm
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Just wondering per the Wheel of Doom Theory.

Could that all also have a double meaning? Could it represent also the Wheel of Fortune tarot card? Used to study tarot a bit.

"Wheel of Fortune Tarot Card Meanings and Description

The Wheel of Fortune is highly symbolic. The angel in the top left corner is Aquarius, the eagle is Scorpio, the lion is Leo and the bull is Taurus. These are the four fixed signs of the Zodiac but all have wings signifying stability amidst movement and change. The book they each have in their hands is the Torah, representing wisdom. On the wheel itself are the Hebrew letters IHVH (Yod Heh Vau Heh), the unpronounceable name of God. Interspersed with these letters are TORA (read anti-clockwise) or TARO (read clockwise) which also translates to TAROT when you return to the spot where you started. The snake descending on the left side of the Wheel is the Egyptian god Typhon, the god of evil. The snake also represents the life force descending into the material world. The Anubis rising on the right side of the Wheel is Hermes, a symbol of intelligence, wisdom ascending or our shadow selves. The Sphinx on the top of the wheel represents life’s riddles. The middle wheel contains the alchemical symbols for mercury, sulphur, water and salt – the building blocks of life and the four elements – and represents formative power. The outer circle represents the material world. The eight spokes in the wheel represent the Universal radiant energy, as well as the eight Sabbats of the year. The blue background represents wisdom.

The planet of this card is Jupiter, the planet of opportunity, growth, success, and expansion. The number 10 is a higher octave of the number 1, empowering the qualities of the 1."

More here

https://www.biddytarot.com/tarot-card-m … f-fortune/

 
Posted : October 9, 2015 1:17 am
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There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this comic book is where the Zodiac killer borrowed his ideas from. I am sure most people are now in agreement with this? The evidence for a connection is just too strong for anyone to dismiss it lightly.

The Wheel of Doom motif appears to tie in with the symbol on the Halloween card, which is similar to the Red Ryder ranch brand. Other dots on the card may have been intended to suggest other ranches.

So here we have two Western ideas, both borrowed from Western comic books.

The rational question of course is "Why?"

Was it just an idea that the Zodiac liked so he thought he would borrow it? Or was he suggesting that he was interested in Western cowboy themes and therefore dangling this up as a clue to his identity.

Perhaps he provided the ranch brand as his sender’s address to suggest that his identity and location can be found inside a cowboy comic book? The whole idea seems too ludicrous and fanciful for any sane and reasonable person to consider. But the Zodiac was anything but sane and reasonable.

So somewhere in one of those comic books may be the Zodiac’s name or address. He may have even worked in a print shop where they printed the comic books. Would he have been so bold?

The other possibility of course is that the Zodiac intended this neat little symbolic package purely as a red herring.

 
Posted : February 6, 2016 4:55 am
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Thanks Norse. :D

A kind word is always appreciated, and I’m good with nutty as long as I am not the cherry on top. (The supreme of all kooky)

I also share your kookiness, because for a long time I did not believe that card was sent by the Zodiac. My first thought was that Avery had sent the damn thing to himself, probably during a drunken binge session, just to make a good story. :lol: Maybe he even forgot that he had sent it to himself later? :lol: I also wondered if someone had sent it to him as a joke in bad taste – another staff member perhaps.

I thought this up until the ranch brands idea came long and then I started to wonder, well perhaps it was sent by the Zodiac after all because he had intended to reinforce the connections between certain ideas and symbols.

Now I am confused. I really don’t know. :?

 
Posted : February 6, 2016 5:06 am
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Hello, :)
Yes, the line connecting the comic construction of the letter is undeniable, I think it strange to be left by Z investigators side somehow …
Annex, I think I’ve shared but do not know where, something I found some time ago.
Marcelo ;)

https://zodiacode1933.blogspot.com/

 
Posted : February 6, 2016 5:12 am
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Yes, I think it must all tie in together… somehow.

It is also interesting that the old 18th Century symbol for nitric acid (Aqua Fortis = "strong water") is very similar to that brand symbol as well. It lacks the long tail on the left side and sometimes has a line over the top, but is otherwise very similar. I have often wondered if Zodiac was implying something about a nitric acid bomb, perhaps.

As crazy as this sounds, a lot of the cowboy/gambling themes seem to fit loosely with the ramblings of Gino Valentino (aka Raymond J. Ottoboni) about the Zodiac. I find his books rather convoluted, but I sometimes sense an evocative yet near tangible glimmer of truth in them. The interesting thing is his style of writing – he almost seems to write in a comic-book style – by which I mean the plots are often kind of disconnected. They read like hyped-up, frame by frame (detached) renditions of events, just as you find in comic books.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=2_JIg1ps4ewC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

 
Posted : February 7, 2016 3:19 am
Norse
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There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this comic book is where the Zodiac killer borrowed his ideas from. I am sure most people are now in agreement with this? The evidence for a connection is just too strong for anyone to dismiss it lightly.

Slight correction: I’m sure most people are in agreement that it’s very likely the person who produced the card borrowed the idea from the comic book.

Not everyone agrees that this person was the Zodiac killer, however.

There’s no necessary connection between the Zodiac killer and this card.

 
Posted : February 8, 2016 9:50 pm
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A hint?

 
Posted : February 8, 2016 10:33 pm
Norse
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Well…

See, this is where the connect-the-dots game gets interesting.

Yes, there is a connection between "Western" (ammo) and the comic book (which again connects with the HC).

But what sort of connection is it? And what does an actual connection say about Z? He used that brand of ammo as part of an overall scheme which also included sending the HC to Avery? That’s what you have to presuppose, more or less, if this dot is to logically connect. I don’t see the latter as obvious in any way myself.

The main problem being that the relevant category itself (Western movies, Western comics, cowboys and six-shooters, what have you) is so generic that you can extract pretty much whatever you want from it.

 
Posted : February 8, 2016 11:21 pm
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Another hint? Another dot?

 
Posted : February 9, 2016 2:22 am
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