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http://todayinclh.com/?event=catholic-s … omic-books
On first glance at Binghamton 1950’s and comic books, I found a story from the town’s history, where in response to government thinking comic books were going to end civilization or some such thing, Catholic students organized a ‘burn’ of over 10,000 of them and it made national news.

I don’t have to tell any of you Ross father Harold was a leader of the YMCA at this time, and as such held moral sway in the community, he might have been helping this effort. And Ross then, would be in quite a state of rebellion, to continue reading them, perhaps hiding comic books in his room…the notion of Zodiac, at his earliest stages of development, being formed in part by a national comic book crisis fomented in his hometown….crazy

 
Posted : January 4, 2018 12:09 pm
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(AK Wilks – The following post is by JELBERG. It builds in part and expands on the great, groundbreaking work here by TAHOE. He originally posted in a POI section. But most of the material in it is relevant to any POI, as most of it goes to potential influences on Zodiac generally. So I have eliminated or minimized most (but not all) of the occasional references to a specific POI. Unfortunately most people, if they are not interested in a specific suspect or POI they don’t usually check out posts in that section. I thought this post had some excellent research, was very interesting and deserved a wider audience. So with Jelberg’s permission I am posting it here).

JELBERG: The links between zodiac, and issue number 30 of the Tim Holt comics of 1952 have already been established here already (by Tahoe).

But there is something else, which also warrants attention.


In the preceding issue of Tim Holt ( # 29 from April/May 1952 ) there is an ad for a few things a young Ted Kaczynski just might want for his birthday (May 22)


(AK Wilks – This is a picture of TJK as a child).

In that same issue (#29) there are also some weird circular patterns that mimic the layout of the Zodiac/Tylenol killer crimes (TJK lived directly in the center of each)

(AK Wilks – I think the appearance in this comic is probably a coincidence, but TJK, like Zodiac, drew crossed lines inside a circle at a crime scene. And the symbol he drew matches the strike pattern of both Zodiac and the Tylenol Killer. I edited out Jelberg’s further discussion and evidence of this POI specific theory. For more on this specific POI theory, see Jelberg’s excellent post here: viewtopic.php?f=102&t=3800 )

But There was also another comic series around the same time, which shares striking similarities with the Zodiac crimes.

This comic series is titled "The Perfect Crime". The comic featured compilations of crimes that it been committed in the past, detailing what eventually led to the capture of the criminals that perpetrated the crimes. The comics are filled with information about forensics. Information that was very detailed for the time period. There are numerous mentions of ballistics and fingerprints, along with articles written by actual detectives, about the thought process of the criminals, and other forensic topics.

This comic book would be the holy Grail for somebody wanting to cover their tracks while committing a crime.

Similarities that stood out the most, were almost an exact blueprint for later zodiac crimes.

There is a story about a gunman accosting young people at a lover’s Lane.

there are mentions of crime "by fire"

There are stories about manipulating fingerprint evidence.

There are stories about manipulating ballistic evidence.

There are advertisements that show almost an exact copy of the Lake Berryessa costume that zodiac wore. (hood, gun, and rope included)

similar to zodiac:
there are mentions of ammonium nitrate
there are multiple instances of the word "blast"
there is a similar usage of the word "ventilate" to describe damage to something/someone after shooting/bomb
there are multiple uses of the word FRY.

And coincidentally there are a couple occurrences that tie into TJK.

There are multiple stories mentioning criminals defecting to cabins in the wilderness after committing their crimes.
one even in the same issue with the lovers Lane story


(AK Wilks – I have removed most of the larger and longer POI specific points raised here. To sum up, Zodiac talked about planting false finger prints. TJK avoided leaving a single fingerprint as the Unabomber, and had books on fingerprints in his cabin).

What do you know, the perfect crime comics contain ads for books on fingerprinting.

These comics were from a decade before the zodiac crimes. With the established link to the Tim Holt comics the same year, it seems there is a strong possibility, that these perfect crime comics, could have been an influence to the crimes committed nearly a decade later.

Here is a link to the whole series

Please check and see if you can find any other similarities to Zodiac and/or TJK. (AK Wilks – Or any POI).

This website also has all of the Tim Holt comics, which I’m sure have more similarities that remain undiscovered. For some reason it seems like 1952 (or at least the comics from that time), was a pivotal year for zodiac.

These are just some weird similarities that I felt were worth sharing.
If you find any other correlations please feel free to add them to this thread.

(AK Wilks – A few times I did eliminate or minimize POI specific references or material, so if you wish to read Jelberg’s excellent original post with all POI specific info included, you can see it here: viewtopic.php?f=102&t=3807&start=40 . Thanks to Jelberg for doing the extensive and well developed research here, building on an expanding the great work previously done by Tahoe).

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Posted : February 22, 2018 9:24 pm
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I’m certainly convinced Zodiac looked at detective magazines. Stuff like this probably influenced a lot of people. ;)


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : February 24, 2018 12:33 am
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I think Mr Z is our Author here personally. The sarcasm: You ache to know my name, BOO. The Rant’s about PARADICE & SLAVES. The deliberate, possibly cryptic misspelling of Paul Avery, and finally, the direct threat to Avery "You are Doomed." Plus the handwriting is consistent IMO.

No there is no threat to Paul Avery. You’re looking at the Halloween card wrong.

 
Posted : April 23, 2018 8:35 pm
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Great find on the comic ‘Tim Holt’ by Frank W. Bolle. The Halloween card has in my opinion a clue to another comic where Frank W. Bolle was a Ghost writer of in the 70’s. This comic was called Rip Kirby, after the main character who played a detective.

The image show’s a line spelling; ‘by Kirby’. I marked the clues bij 2 green arrows and a blue arrow.

The green arrows point to irregulaties. If you look to the word ‘by’, it its faced vertically compared to the other 3 ‘by’-words

If you look to The N, it’s inverted. In my eyes it hints to let the line go top right.

The blue arrow points to the number 14. Four-teen is also written on the back of the Halloween Card. I think this refers to a comicbook number. I looked it up and it is Rip Kirby strip No.14 ‘Correspondence Crisis’

Here also stops my ‘investigation’ because I can’t find the whole comic online. I am not that wealthy to spend 40 dollar/euro for a hardcover of a collection of strips: https://www.amazon.com/Rip-Kirby-2-Alex … 1600105823
Does anybody have this, and could you look up the strip No.14 ‘Correspondence Crisis’?

Regards Marcel

 
Posted : August 28, 2018 12:20 am
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It has Correspondence Crisis under download here
https://newspapercomicstripsblog.wordpr … rip-kirby/

 
Posted : August 28, 2018 3:19 am
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Great find on the comic ‘Tim Holt’ by Frank W. Bolle. The Halloween card has in my opinion a clue to another comic where Frank W. Bolle was a Ghost writer of in the 70’s. This comic was called Rip Kirby, after the main character who played a detective.

The image show’s a line spelling; ‘by Kirby’. I marked the clues bij 2 green arrows and a blue arrow.

The green arrows point to irregulaties. If you look to the word ‘by’, it its faced vertically compared to the other 3 ‘by’-words

If you look to The N, it’s inverted. In my eyes it hints to let the line go top right.

The blue arrow points to the number 14. Four-teen is also written on the back of the Halloween Card. I think this refers to a comicbook number. I looked it up and it is Rip Kirby strip No.14 ‘Correspondence Crisis’

Here also stops my ‘investigation’ because I can’t find the whole comic online. I am not that wealthy to spend 40 dollar/euro for a hardcover of a collection of strips: https://www.amazon.com/Rip-Kirby-2-Alex … 1600105823
Does anybody have this, and could you look up the strip No.14 ‘Correspondence Crisis’?

Regards Marcel

Playing the join the dots game you can in that small space also get RIP Kirby ZODIAC

 
Posted : August 28, 2018 5:40 am
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Playing the join the dots game you can in that small space also get RIP Kirby ZODIAC

Good find! I don´t know how you find the ZODIAC part.

 
Posted : August 28, 2018 12:28 pm
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It has Correspondence Crisis under download here
https://newspapercomicstripsblog.wordpr … rip-kirby/

Thank you for the link!

 
Posted : August 28, 2018 12:32 pm
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Playing the join the dots game you can in that small space also get RIP Kirby ZODIAC

Good find! I don´t know how you find the ZODIAC part.

and you can get Frank Bolle he illustrated for both and started of red mask

 
Posted : August 29, 2018 4:27 am
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Check this out! The Death Wheel! Everything written on the Halloween Card.

Note at the bottom….."Lady Doom"…."You are doomed".

And, we have "Redmask"….what was the skeleton wearing? ;)

You probably have the best amateur sleuth find in recent years regarding the Zodiac Killer case.

I notice this guy David Gold has some things to say about you in his new video with your screen name Tahoe27 in the video title

Tahoe27 Lies about The Red Mask Comic Book

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEaDE2hxkec

 
Posted : April 6, 2019 6:08 pm
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I notice this guy David Gold has some things to say about you in his new video with your screen name Tahoe27 in the video title

LOL, that he thinks Tahoe is a man, owns this site and makes millions of dollars a year from it tells me all I need to know about his investigative ability.

 
Posted : April 6, 2019 7:31 pm
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Didn’t know that David Gold character but he’s one funny guy! ^^ So Zodiac was Frank Morris, but also D. B. Cooper, committed the Texas Moonlight murders AND the Black Dahlia slaying! :shock:

 
Posted : April 6, 2019 10:16 pm
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I notice this guy David Gold has some things to say about you in his new video with your screen name Tahoe27 in the video title

LOL, that he thinks Tahoe is a man, owns this site and makes millions of dollars a year from it tells me all I need to know about his investigative ability.

I have had words with Gold a few times… he’s a strange dude and his videos are straight up crap.

A few minutes ago on a toilet not very far, far away….

 
Posted : April 8, 2019 12:31 pm
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***

Check this out! The Death Wheel! Everything written on the Halloween Card.

Note at the bottom….."Lady Doom"…."You are doomed".

And, we have "Redmask"….what was the skeleton wearing? ;)

You probably have the best amateur sleuth find in recent years regarding the Zodiac Killer case.

I notice this guy David Gold has some things to say about you in his new video with your screen name Tahoe27 in the video title

Tahoe27 Lies about The Red Mask Comic Book

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEaDE2hxkec

Hey Shawn!

Thanks!

I have no clue what this guy is talking about. I have never, ever spoken with Donna’s sister. I don’t waste my time talking about him on websites…other than to once acknowledge his post about the red signature HE brought up and showed on his own youtube channel. It’s still there. Yet, he conveniently removed it from this clip and doesn’t speak of it.

He used a print screen of the exact comic book I found on the internet and points it out as being the one Frank showed him and that Frank said the red signature looked like blood on the wall from where someone sitting there had been killed. :roll:

Glad I was able to jog his memory. :lol: Talks crap about me, but ends his video with "buy my book". Guys like this….meh.

If you’ll excuse me, I shall now take my non-millions from my non-websites and go buy myself some man suits.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
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