Without the log book we will never know under which name Z had registered..

The only indication that Z had used fake names is his ‘Zodiac’ pseudonym or the My-Name-Is-cipher. ‘Sandy’ might have used a fake name, but we don’t know if he is Zodiac (blond hair@Lompoc vs. brown hair@Lake Berryessa).

No other indications that Z had used fake names.

QT

There is actually a Paradise CA in Northern California

The town of Paradise is spread out on a wide ridge which rises between deep canyons on either side. These canyons are formed by the west branch of the Feather River to the east, and Butte Creek to the west. The Paradise area extends northwards from Paradise to include the unincorporated town of Magalia and smaller communities such as Stirling City to the far north. Elevation of the town is 1,778 feet (542 m), according to the GNIS.[7] The town is approximately 8 miles (13 km) east of the city of Chico, and 10 miles (16 km) north of the Oroville area.

My suspect was very familiar with both Chico and Paradise in the late ’60s early ’70s. He knew many friends who lived there.

Paradice issue might be cleared as there is the paradice motel near south lake tahoe, only feet away from Lincoln Highway which connects the sahara hotel with the apartment donna lass had lived in. Donna Lass disappeared in September 1970, about one month earlier.

Would love to see the guest list of those days..

QT

Yes I know. Paradise Motel is located 4 miles just South of Zephyr Cove where resident Kane/Cane now lives. (Now come on, you know i’m not going to be able to talk about this without making at least one reference to Citizen Kane, now calling himself ”Cane" ever sinse he left the Bay Area, Lol.

Paradice Motel is IN South Lake Tahoe..not near it and it’s a lot more than feet to HWY 50, but it’s close enough.

Kane doesn’t live anywhere anymore. He’s dead.

WC–I actually wasn’t thinking of Kane at all in regards to wondering why you felt there is a reference to South Lake Tahoe. Zodiac saying "Paradice" simply does not reflect South Lake Tahoe. None of it does.

There isn’t actually a town in Tahoe called Paradise. There is neighborhood (I actually live in) called Tahoe Paradise….not enough for me, especially since it wasn’t mentioned at all in the Pines card.

A:
Where she worked
Sahara hotel (now Horizon Casino)

B:
The Z motel
http://paradicemoteltahoe.com/
953 Park Ave

C:
Her apartment
Donna had disappeared on or from her way to 3840 Pioneer Trail,

A:
Where she worked
Sahara hotel (now Horizon Casino)

B:
The Z motel
http://paradicemoteltahoe.com/
953 Park Ave

C:
Her apartment
Donna had disappeared on or from her way to 3840 Pioneer Trail,

QT–Donna’s apt. address was 3893.

She did not disappear on her way to work or her way home. She worked that evening and was supposed to be waiting for her friend JoAnne (whom I’ve personally spoken with on the phone and many emails) to come up from SF. The Sahara was also a casino then…the first aid station was in the casino.

Paradice issue might be cleared as there is the paradice motel near south lake tahoe, only feet away from Lincoln Highway which connects the sahara hotel with the apartment donna lass had lived in. Donna Lass disappeared in September 1970, about one month earlier.

Would love to see the guest list of those days..

QT

Yes I know. Paradise Motel is located 4 miles just South of Zephyr Cove where resident Kane/Cane now lives. (Now come on, you know i’m not going to be able to talk about this without making at least one reference to Citizen Kane, now calling himself ”Cane" ever sinse he left the Bay Area, Lol.

Paradice Motel is IN South Lake Tahoe..not near it and it’s a lot more than feet to HWY 50, but it’s close enough.

Kane doesn’t live anywhere anymore. He’s dead.

WC–I actually wasn’t thinking of Kane at all in regards to wondering why you felt there is a reference to South Lake Tahoe. Zodiac saying "Paradice" simply does not reflect South Lake Tahoe. None of it does.

There isn’t actually a town in Tahoe called Paradise. There is neighborhood (I actually live in) called Tahoe Paradise….not enough for me, especially since it wasn’t mentioned at all in the Pines card.

"WC–I actually wasn’t thinking of Kane at all in regards to wondering why you felt there is a reference to South Lake Tahoe. Zodiac saying "Paradice" simply does not reflect South Lake Tahoe. None of it does."

Tahoe the point I am making is this: Based on Zodiac’s apparant love of playing word games in his communications (Ciphers to encrypt a message for example), I think he’s doing the same with ‘Paradise’. But I agree that there is no evidence to say that Zodiac’s use of ‘Paradice’ is linked to Tahoe, but Zodiac isn’t going to write ‘By gun, By knife, By rope, By fire, Paradice Lake Tahoe’, is he? You know the arrogance of this man, how mutc he loved to play games with police, using ciphers, so I think it’s very possible that he’s put ‘PARADICE’ (in big bold printing compared to the other words on that page) because he knows very well that people will read it as just a reference to an afterlife from a delusional mind, and will not get the clue. I believe he was either in Tahoe, or had been there, based on the Pines card.

Are you of the opinion then Tahoe, that Zodiac actually believed that he was collecting slaves for some afterlife and that this afterlife was going to be a paradise?

But I concede that your absolutely correct, there is nothing to show that ‘paradice’ is a reference to Tahoe, nor is there any evidence. This is just a theory, and its based on my belief that the Pines card was sent by Zodiac, and that card makes mention of Tahoe.

I get what you are saying….I guess it all boils down to our own ideas and theories.

Nope. I don’t think he was serious when talking about slaves for his afterlife, but I think THAT is where the "paradise" comes into play. Paradise being the afterlife….not Lake Tahoe.

His actual spelling of the word Paradise (PARADICE) makes me think it could be a clue. After all, there is a Paradice Motel in South Lake Tahoe (near Pine Blvd!) and with that possible Z postcard saying "pass Lake Tahoe", it does seem a bit of a coincidence.

His actual spelling of the word Paradise (PARADICE) makes me think it could be a clue. After all, there is a Paradice Motel in South Lake Tahoe (near Pine Blvd!) and with that possible Z postcard saying "pass Lake Tahoe", it does seem a bit of a coincidence.

Quagmire, can you confirm that there is a Motel in S. Lake Tahoe called ‘Paradice’ with a C? If there was/is then that i’d be almost certain that his reference to ‘PARADICE’ is a clue he’s giving. As I said in an earlier post, Zodiac had written on the front "I feel it in my bones, you ache to know my name, and so i’ll clue you in." He won’t give them his name, but he’ll give them a clue. And on the back, written right down the center of the page, ‘PARADICE’. Thats the clue. But Zodiac is probably well aware that people reading that will think its just another rant about some after life because he adds ‘SLAVES’ and ‘By Gun, By Rope’ etc around it so that ‘Paradice’ seems then doesn’t seem significant.

I’ve been saying for a long time now that I believe Zodiac gave clue’s like this in many ways in several letters. We have all heard of the saying "Hidden in plain sight", I think that’s what he did because he probably got a kick out of it knowing he’s put clues right there for them and they don’t see them.

His actual spelling of the word Paradise (PARADICE) makes me think it could be a clue. After all, there is a Paradice Motel in South Lake Tahoe (near Pine Blvd!) and with that possible Z postcard saying "pass Lake Tahoe", it does seem a bit of a coincidence.

Theres also ‘Around in the Snow’ that is a hint at something, it’s not pasted on the postcard upside down for no reason, either.

Yes…Paradice Motel is written with a C, but I think it’s quite a stretch to link that to the Zodiac Killer.

Many people spell Paradice with a C. Go check out ebay. lol

Donna (nor Larry) didn’t move to Tahoe until June of 1970. Why hint at the Paradice Motel in 1969?

I truly believe it is mentioned in the context of the afterlife. Makes a lot more sense then some small motel in SLT.

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/6 … dice-Motel

Yes…Paradice Motel is written with a C, but I think it’s quite a stretch to link that to the Zodiac Killer.

Many people spell Paradice with a C. Go check out ebay. lol

Donna (nor Larry) didn’t move to Tahoe until June of 1970. Why hint at the Paradice Motel in 1969?

I truly believe it is mentioned in the context of the afterlife. Makes a lot more sense then some small motel in SLT.

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/6 … dice-Motel

"Many people spell Paradice with a C. Go check out ebay. lol"

On the front of the card he writes:

"I feel it in my bones, you ache to know my name, and so i’ll clue you in…." He is telling you indirectly: ‘The clue is in the name’.

What is the name? ‘PARADICE’.

What is the clue? It’s spelling.

"I truly believe it is mentioned in the context of the afterlife."

I know you do, and if you read the card literal and as it appears, thats how it seems. Zodiac hasn’t added the word ‘SLAVES’ with ‘PARADICE’ by accident, he’s using suggestion. He’s not said anything about an afterlife here but he uses words that suggest that is what it is referring to. This will then draw your attention away from the fact that when referring to PARADICE as a place where the dead dwell in another realm in an afterlife, it’s spelled ‘PARADISE’. When referring to a known location or place name in this World, its ‘PARADICE’.

A lot of what Zodiac writes in his letters, in my opinion, is just like his Ciphers. The are not what they appear to be on the surface.

We know Zodiac has spelled Paul Avery’s name wrong on the envelope when sending him this postcard and made a point of underlining letters L AV in the misspelled name which suggests he knows very well the name is spelled incorrectly and he’s doing it on purpose. So knowing that he’s spelled Paul’s name incorrectly on the very envelope that the card came in, and this time made a point of underlining a section of ‘Paul Averly’ to ensure people notice it and by doing so is once again playing games with words and hints, how can it be more logical to assume that when he does this inside the card, he’s not doing it on purpose here and this time he really is making a genuine spelling error…. even thought he’s told you on the front that he’ll clue you in because you want to know his name?

Then when the card is opened up, Zodiac states …"But then why spoil the game". Again, IMO, he does this to make it appear as though he was just ‘needling the blue pigs’ again and now it’s clear he’s not going to give us the clue. Again this seems like Z using suggestion to mislead the reader into thinking there is no clue in the card.

To my way of seeing it, Zodiac is saying in this card "You want my name, so i’ll clue you in… ‘PARADICE’, Lake Tahoe is where you’ll find your answers"

Yes…Paradice Motel is written with a C, but I think it’s quite a stretch to link that to the Zodiac Killer.

Many people spell Paradice with a C. Go check out ebay. lol

Donna (nor Larry) didn’t move to Tahoe until June of 1970. Why hint at the Paradice Motel in 1969?

I truly believe it is mentioned in the context of the afterlife. Makes a lot more sense then some small motel in SLT.

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/6 … dice-Motel

Hm..I remember us wondering about the strange spelling of the word PARADICE…and now we doubt about the Paradice motel less than 0.1 miles away from Donna’s way home?

It is said that the log entry in the Sahara was 1.50 am, therefore that she vanished after leaving her nursing job at around 2.00 am.

She was supposed to meet the person she was supposed to (sister? friend?). And her car was at her Monte Verde apartment at 3840 Pioneer Trail. Inside, the light of her restroom was on. She had disappeared with clothes on as well as her purse.
http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/1 … hts?page=1
http://www.thezodiacmansonconnection.co … lated.html
(there is an ‘earlier’ card mentioned with a cross drawn in human blood, anybody an idea which one that is?)

If she had left the Sahara alone, she might have taken either her car or hitchhiked/walked to 3840 Pioneer Trail. She then walked into her restroom, eventually being accompanied/observed by her attacker. She might even had left her apartment again – for what reason ever – to go outside. As her car was near her apartment and the light was on in her restroom, I am somehow convinced that she had arrived in her apartment after work. However she presumably had not stayed longer than a few minutes. Next day, a man calls the Sahara to tell that Donna won’t come to work due to an emergency in her family (which at that point was somehow true, but still unknown).

Second place of crime:
The postcard mentions both, ‘Sierra Club’ (895, Tanager Street) as well as the picture of the Tahoe Incline Apartments (Juanita Drive), both half a mile from each other:

25 miles North of where Z must’ve picked up Donna, Z gives a hint in his postcard about the Sierra Club and the Tahoe Incline Apartments. It appears as if Z had taken Donna to the North of Lake Tahoe.

42 years back, almost nothing built in Incline village: You go to the Sierra club, walk half a mile through the pines (peek through the pines) and end up where a new apartment complex is built. If not already built in 1964, I’d say Donna’s body might be under one of those apartment buildings..but this seems to be no option. No idea if the glasses later found at Donner Pass were Donna’s…what is interesting however is that the Sierra Club was founded in San Francisco (Z-connection from SF to Lake Tahoe) and had its own Magazine, the ‘Sierra’.

Still wanna do more research on this Sierra issue..

QT

I do not think that the spelling of Paradice for the motel’s name is all that unusual for a community whose main focus is gambling. I expect that you would find establishments with that same spelling in other cities where gambling is prevalent, like Reno and Las Vegas.