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Welsh Chappie
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I do not think that the spelling of Paradice for the motel’s name is all that unusual for a community whose main focus is gambling. I expect that you would find establishments with that same spelling in other cities where gambling is prevalent, like Reno and Las Vegas.

Well untill I was told on this forum yesterday, I had not been aware that Paradice with a C was the name of any place name in Tahoe, or a Resort, A Motel, A Casino or anything else at all for that matter. I knew there was a ‘PARADISE’ in South Lake T. ( I assumed it was spelled with an S being a place name).

Anyway, I think his use of ‘PARADICE’ opposed to ‘PARADISE’ is him making a direct referrence to South Lake T. The main reason I think this is becaise he sent the ‘Peek through the Pines’ postcard, in which he directly makes referrence to ‘Sierra Club’ & ‘Past Lake Tahoe Area’. If he hadn’t sent that card, then I wouldn’t even attempt to link ‘PARADICE’ with S. Lake Tahoe, but the fact he does send the P.T.T.P card allows for the possibility that the two are linked.

I know a lot will not agree with the assumption and thats fair enough because it is, after all, just an assumption :-)

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Posted : June 2, 2013 8:50 pm
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QT—you are using the wrong address for Donna.

However Donna GOT to work, she left her car at home because her friend (not sister) had never been to Donna’s new apartment so they were going to meet at the Sahara and JoAnna was to drive them both back to Donna’s apt. It’s very dark here at night and would have been difficult for Johanna to find so late. Plus, they were going to gamble for a little while…Johanna said Donna liked to gamble and ski and was looking forward to it.

Also, the name of the condo complex in Incline Village was "Forest Pines". That cut-out card was in the SF Chronicle. And what is interesting about that is there were OTHER ads…some in Nevada…but, those were a bit different. This tells me the sender (the card was not mailed) got it, most likely, from the Chronicle.

That Pines card has no reference to South Shore or Donna Lass….so it’s all up in the air how it’s interpreted. If Zodiac meant "Slaves in Tahoe"…I guess it was only for him. :)

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…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : June 3, 2013 12:07 am
Welsh Chappie
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QT—you are using the wrong address for Donna.

However Donna GOT to work, she left her car at home because her friend (not sister) had never been to Donna’s new apartment so they were going to meet at the Sahara and JoAnna was to drive them both back to Donna’s apt. It’s very dark here at night and would have been difficult for Johanna to find so late. Plus, they were going to gamble for a little while…Johanna said Donna liked to gamble and ski and was looking forward to it.

Also, the name of the condo complex in Incline Village was "Forest Pines". That cut-out card was in the SF Chronicle. And what is interesting about that is there were OTHER ads…some in Nevada…but, those were a bit different. This tells me the sender (the card was not mailed) got it, most likely, from the Chronicle.

That Pines card has no reference to South Shore or Donna Lass….so it’s all up in the air how it’s interpreted. If Zodiac meant "Slaves in Tahoe"…I guess it was only for him. :)

Objection, Your Honor!

Exhibit A, ‘Peek though the Pines’ card with the words ‘Pass Lake Tahoe Area’.

Exhibit B: Paul Avery’s Halloween Card ‘PARADICE’.

I would argue that here were have two clear references to Tahoe, the first being a direct one, Exhibit A, and the second being a more obscured one, Exhibit B.

No further Questios, your Honor. :-)

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Posted : June 3, 2013 2:47 am
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Yes…Paradice Motel is written with a C, but I think it’s quite a stretch to link that to the Zodiac Killer.

Many people spell Paradice with a C. Go check out ebay. lol

Donna (nor Larry) didn’t move to Tahoe until June of 1970. Why hint at the Paradice Motel in 1969?

I truly believe it is mentioned in the context of the afterlife. Makes a lot more sense then some small motel in SLT. ;)

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/6 … dice-Motel

But his play on words spelling Paradice was only in the Halloween card in 1970, the month after Donna disappeared and I don’t think this was planned previously – just Z being ironic.

I’m not saying he planned to link everything the year before but if he found himself in SLT the following year and in the mood for murder, then sending a card the following month with a play on words wouldn’t exactly be unlike Z. I can imagine him seeing the motel and thinking "How apt – one of my victims could really actually be my Slave in Paradice. I must include this in a note…"

IMO this would fit right in with Z’s sense of black humour & irony.

 
Posted : June 3, 2013 5:41 am
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Tahoe, thanks for the hint with the wrong address..already replaced, distance to Sierra Club is still less than a mile..

– Donna had worked at Letterman hospital, where Z might’ve been fleeing to after he had shot Paul Stine (Presidio)
– She actually lived close to that area, too
– She had a friend in Vallejo (name?) whom she had met for shopping and eating at the ‘Nut Tree’
– An anonymous caller ‘informed’ her employer that she wouldn’t come for work
– the postcard had arrived like one month after she had disappeared

Nothing solid, but I’d say the postcard could’ve been connected to her.

QT

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Posted : June 3, 2013 11:37 am
Welsh Chappie
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"But his play on words spelling Paradice was only in the Halloween card in 1970, the month after Donna disappeared and I don’t think this was planned previously – just Z being ironic."

Thats not true. Zodiac spelled it ‘PARADICE’ long before Avery’s Halloween Card…

"I LIKE KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH FUN IT IS MORE FUN THAN KILLING WILD GAME IN THE FORREST BECAUSE MAN IS THE MOST DANGEROUE ANAMAL OF ALL TO KILL SOMETHING GIVES ME THE MOST THRILLING EXPERENCE IT IS EVEN BETTER THAN GETTING YOUR ROCKS OFF WITH A GIRL THE BEST PART OF IT IS THAE WHEN I DIE I WILL BE REBORN IN PARADICE AND THEI HAVE KILLED WILL BECOME MY SLAVES I WILL NOT GIVE YOU MY NAME BECAUSE YOU WILL TRY TO SLOI DOWN OR ATOP MY COLLECTIOG OF SLAVES FOR MY AFTERLIFE"

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Posted : June 4, 2013 6:05 pm
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I’m being creative but I’ve always wondered:

1. Peek Through The Pines = Peak through the pines (a mountain peak)
2. Donner Pass = Donna Lass (old-timers where I live use a colloquial pronunciation of Donna as Donner)
3. Sierra Club facilities are nearby a region consisting of Lake Tahoe, Donner Pass and several named "peaks."

But there are many here who don’t believe Donna Lass was killed by Zodiac so I guess all the creative thinking is for naught. :D

When in doubt, don’t.

 
Posted : June 4, 2013 7:51 pm
Welsh Chappie
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I’m being creative but I’ve always wondered:

1. Peek Through The Pines = Peak through the pines (a mountain peak)
2. Donner Pass = Donna Lass (old-timers where I live use a colloquial pronunciation of Donna as Donner)
3. Sierra Club facilities are nearby a region consisting of Lake Tahoe, Donner Pass and several named "peaks."

But there are many here who don’t believe Donna Lass was killed by Zodiac so I guess all the creative thinking is for naught. :D

There are many people who don’t believe Lass was a Z victim, but there are also many that do. Anyway, that isn’t the issue or the point. Whether Lass was the inspiration for the words ‘Saught victim 12’ is irrelevant. What is important, if you believe the card to be an authentic Zodiac communication, is the details of the place names and areas, not who the victim was. The victim could be anyone from anywhere, but the offender seems to have knowledge of, and is hinting at, The Sierra Club and South Lake Tahoe. Could it be a red herring? Of course. But the fact that Zodiac has not been active in and around the Bay Area for over a year (suggesting he may possibly have left Fan Francisco) when this card arrives, does increase the possibility that ‘HE’ really is the author.

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Posted : June 4, 2013 8:22 pm
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My above thoughts are why I have not taken Larry Kane/Cain/Cane off my little list.

I agree that if the card’s are related to Zodiac they don’t have to mean Donna Lass but it would seem so.

When in doubt, don’t.

 
Posted : June 4, 2013 9:27 pm
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Speaking of "Paradice"…..I JUST read a memorial of a friend of a friend (non-Zodiac people)….they said "I hope you are enjoying Paradice"…with a "c". :)


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : June 4, 2013 9:42 pm
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Speaking of "Paradice"…..I JUST read a memorial of a friend of a friend (non-Zodiac people)….they said "I hope you are enjoying Paradice"…with a "c". :)

I’d guess that’s a common misspelling. I’d think it also would be a common pun for folks around the gambling areas out West (not that we don’t have areas in Tennessee and Kentucky :lol: ).

When in doubt, don’t.

 
Posted : June 4, 2013 10:04 pm
Welsh Chappie
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I think he did a lot of things deliberately in order to draw attention to it, one of these things was consistantly spelling certain words wrong. If they do mean something, only he will know what.

Zodiac murdered Victom after victom. Zodiac would have us believe he doesn’t know how to correctly spell the word victim. Then we see his ‘Badlands’ letter, starting out with "I would like to express my consternation concerning your poor taste & lack of sympathy for the public." And continues "This kind of murder glorification can only be deplorable at best (not that justification of violence is ever justifiable). Why don’t you show some concern for public sensabilities."
This man wishes to express his ‘Consternation’. He finds the glorification of murder deplorable, and asks the press to show some concern for public sensabilities. And this is the same man that would have you believe that he is unable to spell the word ‘Victim’! My response to that rhymes with Pull Frit. I don’t know if ‘Victom’ is something significant to him, like the combination of two abbreviated name’s like Victor & Thomas, for example, but I am pretty sure he is spelling it incorrectly on purpose. Zodiac seemed unable to spell Paul Avery’s name either, he kept spelling his surname ‘Averly’. But he didn’t just spell it incorrect and leave it at that, this time he underlined a section of Paul’s name to raw attentin to it. So he clearly shown a history of misspelling words, even underlining the L AV in the name PauL AVerly as well as adding the extra L to Avery.

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Posted : June 5, 2013 4:56 am
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Chappie, the "LAV" letters taken from Paul "Averly" struck me a few months back as odd. Look at my avatar and notice the "lav" in the middle of it. Coincidence?

When in doubt, don’t.

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 7:46 am
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Paul "Slavery" eh? Hmmm.

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 10:45 am
Patinky
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Paul "Slavery" eh? Hmmm.

Almost … the envelope addressed to Paul Averly [sic] has the "l" in Paul and the "Av" in Averly [sic] underlined, like this:
Paul Averly, which makes lav underlined (not slave or slavery). The horizontal cross-point on the Halloween card (see my avatar) also has "lav" in the center. It’s probably a coincidence but it never made sense to me to underline the letters on the envelope unless there was a reason.

Btw, "Zodiac" was on our local cable channel last night. I watched it twice (yeah, I know). Since Toschi was an advisor on the film, I wonder how much was 100% authentic information and how much was Hollywood artistic license.

When in doubt, don’t.

 
Posted : June 5, 2013 6:12 pm
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