Bringing over this thread from the old site. I’m going to do it post by post. A little slower, but easier to follow, I think.
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Formerly Clovis.
By Traveller1st
Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:52 pm
I like the idea that the inclusion of the eyes on the card was in reference to Avery’s article about the JTR San Fran killings with the eye lids cut off as mentioned on the other thread by Seagull and Morf.
http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … the-ripper
It was along these lines I was pondering (ie what would the symbolism in the card represent in relation to Avery, if any.) Still thinking about it but found this. Thought it was interesting that it’s referenced in Harpo Marx’s book "Harpo Speaks" given that some people surmise that Zodiac may have been influenced by Groucho’s version of the Mikado. Perhaps it inspired his opening greeting as well?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wink_murder
“I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.“
By Morf
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:11 pm
I just read something the other day about that’ Harpo Speaks’, funny you should mention it now.
There is more than one way to lose your life to a killer
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By Traveller1st
Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:41 pm
Coincidence or pattern? Ok, coincidence lol.
“I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.“
By Smithy
Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:00 am
traveller1st wrote:
……. given that some people surmise that Zodiac may have been influenced by Groucho’s version of the Mikado.
Off the main topic, but I’m happy to say that for me it ain’t just a surmise Trav – I believe 100% that the writer of the letter quoting the lyrics from the "Little List" was listening/had listened to – the Groucho version.
Meantime, I’m not 100% sure that the same man sent the Halloween card to Paul Avery. scratch
I’m happy to go along with the idea that he may have been inspired by the article referred to, though. Yep.
By Traveller1st
Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:38 am
Coolio,
Yeah I just said surmise because I couldn’t think of another way to put it. I’m happy enough to accept that he did I just don’t have an opinion either way on it and I guess I felt if I’d said "it is believed that" it would suggest that I believe that when I probably fall into the camp of "I don’t NOT believe it" lol.
EDIT: To add. Regarding whether or not Z sent the HC to PA. I find myself wondering that too at times but I "feel" he did. It’s something I’ll have to read some opinions on and have a little think about.
“I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.“
By Tahoe27
Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:35 pm
Yes…without a doubt Zodiac used the Groucho version.
Funny thing–some thought Zodiac made up his own lyrics. Graysmith suggests as much as well. "The girl who never kissed", etc. But word for word, minus what is probably just a bad interpretation of what was said, Zodiac quoted Groucho.
See my first post here: GROUCHO LYRICS: http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … ist-letter
JTR – "My name is": http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … the-ripper
Concerns about the HC card not being from Zodiac: http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … not-zodiac
Seagull’s posted article about JTR/HC card, etc: http://zodiackillersite.forummotion.com … the-ripper
(Just sharing 
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“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
By Traveller1st
Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:43 pm
Many thanks T. 
“I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.“
By me as Clovis
Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:10 pm
Just adding a note of caution. The lyrics used in the Groucho version of The Mikado are not unique to it. They are simply the basic lyrics by Gilbert that are usually modified by the performers of that particular production. Zodiac could have been listening to any version with the original lyrics.
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Formerly Clovis.
By Onewhoknows
Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:31 pm
Dear Smithy, I see you are of the ilk which believes that some of the Zodiac letters and communications are hoaxes or sent by someone other than the Murderer himself. Can you please create a thread which spells out which letters you think are the hoaxes, so that we may discuss?
By Tahoe27
Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:17 pm Reply with quote
Clovis wrote:
"Just adding a note of caution. The lyrics used in the Groucho version of The Mikado are not unique to it. They are simply the basic lyrics by Gilbert that are usually modified by the performers of that particular production. Zodiac could have been listening to any version with the original lyrics."
Yes–there are several tweeked versions of the Mikado, but the one Zodiac wrote about is the Groucho Marx version. I could not find those particular lyrics anywhere else.
If you find them, I would love to know about it.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
By me as Clovis
Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:50 pm
If I can find my G & S Book, I’ll do a comparison. Just had the thing a few weeks back so, of course, it’s disappeared.
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Formerly Clovis.
By Tahoe27
Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:23 pm
Clovis wrote: "If I can find my G & S Book, I’ll do a comparison. Just had the thing a few weeks back so, of course, it’s disappeared."
I can relate! I have a place I keep everything, yet it seems everything is not always in it’s place.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
By KEY.SMITH697
Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:02 am Reply with quote
Please, Smithy;
Make a little list that can’t be missed of the letters, are any other writing you think could be a hoax.
dEAR, cLOVIS, G&S BOOK how cool. ONE SONG that I like is… In My own little corner in my own little chain. by G&S It’s so sad. 
Still flying those hand made air planes in your back yard?
Hello tahoe;
Yet it seems every thing is not all ways in it’s place. Yes, I can relate as well. And things do disappear ALL OF THE TIME. yOU SPEND 1/3 of your live standing in line. And the rest, looking and working for stuff: . P.S It’s Monday 
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Formerly Clovis.
By Smithy
Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:40 am Reply with quote
Clovis wrote: "If I can find my G & S Book, I’ll do a comparison."
It’s always good to check. You’ll also ned the Groucho recording of course. Wink
Thanks for the link references as ever, Tahoe.
Re: A list of letters and "which one is real" well, I think each one has already been discussed in detail on it’s own thread, but if there’s a concensus on addressing ALL of them, then I’ll play.
