I still think it’s possible he wrote that letter because of the article from the day before about the radio club having activity up on Diablo

Soze–

All I know is that is what Mt. Diablo was used for as far as mapping. I grew up there and from the time I was a little girl (early 70’s) we’d go to the top of Mt. Diablo and look through the telescope at our house below and very far off as well.

If you think about it…who mentions things like "feet to the West"….?

While the place you stand to get longitude and latitude may differ, the intended location would remain the same, and I have a feeling it was visible from here.

Feet to the west. Inches along Radians Mt Diablo ..one would think he was trained in this to a higher level than boy scout stuff. Flight navigation fits, military training in sightings perhaps, a surveyor,

I still think it’s possible he wrote that letter because of the article from the day before about the radio club having activity up on Diablo

Possible? No. I don’t think so. I think it is precisely the inspiration for his letter. My point was that everything else he did, including what I wrote about, played off of, that inspiration. Do I think he was a member of this club? It’s possible, but, I doubt it. The Zodiac seems like the type of person who knew, just what he needed to know, to write what he needed to write. He is using commonalities like puzzle pieces. The only way to put the puzzle together, in my opinion, is to take a step back and do just what Mr. Lowe did here:

"Feet to west, inches along radians, Mt. Diablo…..Flight navigation fits, military training in sightings perhaps, a surveyor"

While, I happen to agree with Mr. Lowe’s break down, I only speak of the concept broadly. For all we know the Zodiac could have been a gopher at a radio station or a baggage handler at an air port.

Soze

Soze–

All I know is that is what Mt. Diablo was used for as far as mapping. . . . While the place you stand to get longitude and latitude may differ, the intended location would remain the same, and I have a feeling it was visible from here.

Thats why I posted what I did. I was going to post in your latitude/longitude thread and offer possible latitude/longitude coordinates based on the details the Zodiac provided. These latitude/longitude coordinates are completely separate from the cipher and radian descriptions he gave. It was my thought that these latitude/longitude coordinates would be used as part of the mathematical solution needed to make a fix on location. I couldnt possibly explain this to you if your opinion was that the meridian / base lines were on the north peak. A fix is made using both lat/long coordinates and meridian/base. If one is wrong-the fix is wrong.

I am sorry. I was just trying to clarify.

Soze

Soze can`t wait to see your take on the latitude and longtitude.

I will put it together. A little hung up on how to show the map. I want to show everything but I don’t want the map to be too large in post.

Soze

I will put it together. A little hung up on how to show the map. I want to show everything but I don’t want the map to be too large in post.

Soze

If you want send it to me in a pm and I will reduce it and post it so it presents well.

Two trains of thought on why he chose Mt Diabolo as his starting reference point. Both run with the term "familiarity" on this, apart from Z having an attachment to the name Diabolo (devil). I don’t believe Z picked up a map and randomly picked out Mt Diabolo
1/ As a pilot from the area you would be well aware of all mountain ranges because they are the natural enemy of the aero plane. I am of the belief that it also ran a radio beacon of some description for pilots navigational aid. The navy used it as well and I am guessing they used it for their air wing.
2/ Diablo was a well known point of reference for land mapping and surveying. It was used as the starting point to carve up California into 1 mile blocks way back when.
Reflecting on the term inches along the radians makes this more than Boy Scout knowledge.
So for me Z had flying training where you use radians for distance or he was into surveying for company’s for mining or In hydrographics or similar.

I will put it together. A little hung up on how to show the map. I want to show everything but I don’t want the map to be too large in post.

Soze

If you want send it to me in a pm and I will reduce it and post it so it presents well.

Thank you AK. I will take you up on that offer. I will be in contact with you when its all ready.

Soze

Feet to the west. Inches along Radians Mt Diablo ..one would think he was trained in this to a higher level than boy scout stuff. Flight navigation fits, military training in sightings perhaps, a surveyor,

This is for morf soze and norse and others interested in this thought.
This is an addendum to my original thought process.. whilst I have not given up on my poi I think it only fair to give Ross a point of interest into this thought.. two places.
Mt Ross ..coincidently only 8 miles from Mt Lowe( its also + – only a few degrees from Mt Lowe same mountain range) virtually same angle from what I can tell if you go to Mt Ross and go one radian and 338 miles north west you end up on mount Diablo. Now divide the distance by miles on the map… I like the mountain to mountain thought process best to give a clue to his name. just my take on it..
Also we have a township of Ross 35 miles to the north west of Mt Diablo the way the crow flies. when I get time I will do a Radian Angle check on this

Mr. Lowe, I agree wholeheartedly with your post dated April 2. I think the only thing I would add is that Mt Diablo was not only used to carve up California so to speak but was also used to survey the coastal region and waterways, as well as, the past and present territorial boundaries of the U. S.

Just the mere mention of the whole radian thing really bugs me and find myself wondering the following (please forgive me if it doesn’t correlate to your latest post):

The zodiac said a number of inches along the radians. One radian is just under 57.3 degrees when the radius is equal to the arc length. We have a radius of 2 if you believe that the size of the crosshair was a clue in the solving of this puzzle. But we know nothing more. Since we know nothing more then all we will ever be able to conclude is just what i mentioned above. Since the arc length and radius in this instance are one and the same, is it possible, that he could actually mean " a number of inches along the radius" just as well? If so, whatever the number of inches is, wouldn’t it be safe to say that it would be equal to or less than 2? This would imply radians of 1 radian or less and not more.

Soze

Feet to the west. Inches along Radians Mt Diablo ..one would think he was trained in this to a higher level than boy scout stuff. Flight navigation fits, military training in sightings perhaps, a surveyor,

This is for morf soze and norse and others interested in this thought.
This is an addendum to my original thought process.. whilst I have not given up on my poi I think it only fair to give Ross a point of interest into this thought.. two places.
Mt Ross ..coincidently only 8 miles from Mt Lowe( its also + – only a few degrees from Mt Lowe same mountain range) virtually same angle from what I can tell if you go to Mt Ross and go one radian and 338 miles north west you end up on mount Diablo. Now divide the distance by miles on the map… I like the mountain to mountain thought process best to give a clue to his name. just my take on it..
Also we have a township of Ross 35 miles to the north west of Mt Diablo the way the crow flies. when I get time I will do a Radian Angle check on this

Well, my thinking is that if Ross was Z and wanted to leave a clue, why point out Mt.Diablo on the map, why not circle the town of Ross,etc??

Well, my thinking is that if Ross was Z and wanted to leave a clue, why point out Mt.Diablo on the map, why not circle the town of Ross,etc??

Well, as a clue to his identity that would be too obvious. This is, as I take it, basically the Mt Lowe theory – only with Ross: If you draw up a triangle using 1) Mt Diablo (which is a natural reference point), 2) magnetic north (another natural reference point) and 3) a specific location on the map, indicated by whatever message Z left in the unsolved cipher, for its three points, this triangle will form a radian.

And the real clue is, of course, that point 3 turns out to be Mt Ross.

I like the concept – as such. The problems with the theory are many, though. Would Z actually give away his name in this way? That’s one thing. We also have to ignore what he actually says in the letter: The instructions/clues are meant to point to the location of a bomb. Sure, Z could have been lying about that – but if we go down that road, we can easily make anything he says out to be a cryptic reference to something completely different, when this suits our particular approach. It’s a dangerous game, I think.

However, the good thing about this particular theory, is that it can be tested easily enough. Do you actually get a radian by drawing up the triangle described above? If so, then – well. It can’t be ignored and it may be beyond coincidence too. For my money it needs to be very accurate, though – it needs to be an actual radian, no mistake. We can’t have any Penn style “radians” that miss the mark by several miles.

I don’t know crap about Radians. Maybe Doranchak or somebody on here could answer that.