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Quicktrader
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In his July 26th 1970 letter, Z mentions to rub his victims with ‘deep heat’.

Always wondered what it was (or got it at home)? Here we go..

https://www.google.at/search?q=Deep+Hea … B300%3B300

Guess there might have been some advertisements in the SF Chronicle during that time?
http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/reply/1 … tjqI_TuJu4
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Posted : January 17, 2014 12:28 pm
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Some of us have discussed Deep Heat rub in the past. That particular brand primarily being sold in the UK. I THINK "salt beef" being another UK term…please correct me if I am wrong.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : January 17, 2014 12:37 pm
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Here’s a previous discussion but it’s a good observation, QT. The consensus seemed to be that salt beef is more of an American term though. I’ve honestly never heard of the term.

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/3 … tj43aUo5Ms

I’ve always wondered whether the list of "tortures" that Zodiac mentions are his own made up inventions or were lifted from somewhere. Much of the Little List letter is an attempt to quote the Mikado verbatim so I have to wonder if this wasn’t stolen from another source as well. It almost reads like a description of the fates awaiting sinners in Dante’s Inferno.

http://quizlet.com/11393963/punishments … ash-cards/

Edited to add: my apologizes, QT. I obviously overlooked your link to the same thread. Duh! :oops:

 
Posted : January 17, 2014 1:44 pm
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Here’s a previous discussion but it’s a good observation, QT. The consensus seemed to be that salt beef is more of an American term though. I’ve honestly never heard of the term.

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/3 … tj43aUo5Ms

I’ve always wondered whether the list of "tortures" that Zodiac mentions are his own made up inventions or were lifted from somewhere. Much of the Little List letter is an attempt to quote the Mikado verbatim so I have to wonder if this wasn’t stolen from another source as well. It almost reads like a description of the fates awaiting sinners in Dante’s Inferno.

http://quizlet.com/11393963/punishments … ash-cards/

Sounds to me more like Dieter Dengler’s experiences…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … etnam.html

I’m not the first to write about him….(from SF, 13 characters, Zodiac era). I will try and find the thread where I posted about him…and others as well.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : January 17, 2014 2:03 pm
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Yes, it certainly does, Tahoe. That’s another good find and a very possible influence. Looks like he resided in the SF Bay after his escape in 1966 and was quite visible in the late 60s. I don’t think there’s any question his experiences would have been documented in the SF newspapers- would be interesting to find those if you haven’t already. I’m sure I’m not telling you anything new. I’m thinking of him as a possible Z influence rather than a POI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Dengler

I was trying to imagine what that kind of experience would do to someone and then I see he committed suicide in 2001. Awful…

 
Posted : January 17, 2014 2:21 pm
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Yes, it certainly does, Tahoe. That’s another good find and a very possible influence. Looks like he resided in the SF Bay after his escape in 1966 and was quite visible in the late 60s. I don’t think there’s any question his experiences would have been documented in the SF newspapers- would be interesting to find those if you haven’t already. I’m sure I’m not telling you anything new. I’m thinking of him as a possible Z influence rather than a POI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieter_Dengler

I was trying to imagine what that kind of experience would do to someone and then I see he committed suicide in 2001. Awful…

Yah…not a POI. Of course the movie was made about him not that long ago. I’ll search my stuff tomorrow and will dedicate a thread to this.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : January 17, 2014 2:25 pm
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S’funny how different countries are unfamiliar with certain brands and their purpose. Understandable of course.

I used the spray form of it throughout my school years playing rugby. Spray it on the legs before going out to play in freezing temperatures and prior to being properly warmed up and then use it again later for all the aches and pains lol. I actually have some in my medicine cupboard right now and whenever I use it the smell takes me back to being 14 on a cold saturday morning practice in winter.

Once applied it creates a mild burning sensation on the skin which makes it feel warm. Hence the name. Apply too much in one place though and it burns and stings. Not pleasant and I certainly wouldn’t want it on a small cut nevermind wounds.

Makes me wonder if Z’s experience or knowledge of its existence and effects comes from similar sporting application. or just from aches.


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : January 17, 2014 2:57 pm
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Yah…not a POI. Of course the movie was made about him not that long ago. I’ll search my stuff tomorrow and will dedicate a thread to this.

Cool. I guess your mention of his name fitting the 13 symbol cipher made me think he was being considered as a possible POI. Definitely deserves its own thread…

 
Posted : January 17, 2014 3:58 pm
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S’funny how different countries are unfamiliar with certain brands and their purpose. Understandable of course.

I used the spray form of it throughout my school years playing rugby. Spray it on the legs before going out to play in freezing temperatures and prior to being properly warmed up and then use it again later for all the aches and pains lol. I actually have some in my medicine cupboard right now and whenever I use it the smell takes me back to being 14 on a cold saturday morning practice in winter.

Once applied it creates a mild burning sensation on the skin which makes it feel warm. Hence the name. Apply too much in one place though and it burns and stings. Not pleasant and I certainly wouldn’t want it on a small cut nevermind wounds.

Makes me wonder if Z’s experience or knowledge of its existence and effects comes from similar sporting application. or just from aches.

I knew what Deep Heat was from the get-go. Here…we also use Ben-Gay. :)

Old people use it for aches ‘n pains too. It does seem like Zodiac could have had some UK heritage…lots of verbiage from there in his writings.

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In regards to Salt Beef. Never heard of it. If you google, you get a lot of UK people using that term and say we here in America call it "corned beef"…which they say is wrong. Seems like it might originate from Jerusalem. ??


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : January 18, 2014 2:28 am
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I’ve heard of salt beef, in fact I’ve eaten the stuff. It’s lovely but here’s the thing, I haven’t seen it in any stores for a few years now so I can just about remember what it was to describe it. It’s probably closest to pastrami in texture but not as strong a flavour. The flavour might be closer to corned beef / sliced topside.

Best I can do for description. As for origin I’m really not sure and since my experiences of it were with in the last 20 years not even sure if that means anything. ie I don’t know if could be called a UK think in the 1960’s or if we even had it here then?


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : January 18, 2014 3:19 am
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Of all Z’s torture ideas, being fed salt beef until you’re gorged is probably the lamest. Sounds like traveller would rather enjoy it. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ZcZ2h4Ths

 
Posted : January 18, 2014 3:33 am
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When doing a Google search for salt beef most of the hits are to websites in the UK. One site describes it, "Salt beef, like New York-style corned beef, is a Jewish deli meat made from beef briskets cured in brine."

http://youngandfoodish.com/london/top-5 … in-london/

WC ought to like that considering that Kane is Jewish!! :D

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : January 18, 2014 3:37 am
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Of all Z’s torture ideas, being fed salt beef until you’re gorged is probably the lamest. Sounds like traveller would rather enjoy it. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ZcZ2h4Ths

Actually I do recall that it was very filling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXMA3nSeg80


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : January 18, 2014 4:01 am
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Expanding on Seagulls post. I think.

This seems to make sense because I was thinking that salt beef looked like american corned beef. So I googled "What do americans call salt beef". Found this.

http://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogs … -beef.html

POI plug: Manalli was Jewish too, wasn’t he?


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : January 18, 2014 4:31 am
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No, Manalli was Catholic!

I hadn’t a clue what salt beef was and was vaguely thinking it was beef jerky. Not so. Reading a few articles on it set me straight!

www.santarosahitchhikermurders.com

 
Posted : January 18, 2014 4:44 am
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