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Albany NY Medical Center letter/cipher August 1973

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morf13
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This letter/cipher was postmarked in Albany,NY. It was a threat against a medical center.

In the de-classified FBI files regarding the Zodiac case, mention was made of a Zodiac letter that started off " YOU WERE WRONG". That letter was not released to the public. The page also pointed to an unknown Medical Center.I will post the FBI file page here shortly.

In the meantime, Zodiac researcher Tom V did a great job of obtaining the actual letter mentioned in the FBI report. It pointed to a Medical Center in Albany, NY.


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Posted : March 29, 2013 7:43 am
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Cannot find any murders on the said date, only Candy Man Dean Corll who murdered men and boys .Barbara Smith on December 27th 1973 from Hamilton Street, Albany came close, but a lack of available info available and isn’t very likely.
A list here of unsolved Albany murders http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1957&dat=19900923&id=bnghAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3ogFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1012,5931964
But I suppose as you do, that this letter does not have the meticulous effort the Zodiac applied to his letters. In particular when he drafted his codes or ciphers they tended to show organisation on the horizontal plane, this correspondence looks like it was prepared haphazardly with very little thought applied to the code.

 
Posted : June 10, 2013 1:54 pm
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Cannot find any murders on the said date, only Candy Man Dean Corll who murdered men and boys .Barbara Smith on December 27th 1973 from Hamilton Street, Albany came close, but a lack of available info available and isn’t very likely.
A list here of unsolved Albany murders http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1957&dat=19900923&id=bnghAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3ogFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1012,5931964
But I suppose as you do, that this letter does not have the meticulous effort the Zodiac applied to his letters. In particular when he drafted his codes or ciphers they tended to show organisation on the horizontal plane, this correspondence looks like it was prepared haphazardly with very little thought applied to the code.

The thing that interests me the most, is that the fact there is a letter at all that may be from Zodiac in Albany, and the fact that Darlene Ferrin, her ex husband, and Gaikowski all spent time there, not to mention 1969 murder victim Doreen Gaul had a letter found in her apartment room written by somebody claiming to be zodiac, and she lived within a stone’s throw of the Albany Medical Ctr.

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Posted : June 10, 2013 6:41 pm
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This letter is very interesting; I spent a couple of hours working on it. UK, do you have a list of missing females from the time of threat. Killed doesn’t necessarily meant found and the medical center could be a diversion.

Hi Morf, whats the e.t.a. on the rest of this info…

Daniel

E.T.A.???

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Posted : June 11, 2013 1:18 am
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How was it determined the letter relates to a threat on Albany Medical Center, eh? ;)

 
Posted : June 11, 2013 1:09 pm
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If Z wanted people to believe this was a letter from him, why is the handwriting so far off and the code so unlike anything Z ever did? Z NEVER made his symbol like it is written on front of the envelope. He used 11 o’clock circles and 1 o’clock circles, not the one we see on the envelope.

Mike.

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Posted : June 11, 2013 5:06 pm
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I will have a scour, only found the Albany list above so far.

 
Posted : June 11, 2013 5:08 pm
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Acronym Definition
ETA Estimated Time of Arrival ;)

This letter is very interesting; I spent a couple of hours working on it. UK, do you have a list of missing females from the time of threat. Killed doesn’t necessarily meant found and the medical center could be a diversion.

Hi Morf, whats the e.t.a. on the rest of this info…

Daniel

E.T.A.???

LOL, I know what ETA means, but I meant, what did you want me to dig up? I wasn’t aware I was getting more info

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Posted : June 11, 2013 5:39 pm
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Sixteen year old Mitchel Weiser and his 15 year old girlfriend Bonita Bickwit set out to hitchhike to a concert in Watkins Glen, that had famous bands such as the Grateful Dead and Allman Brothers Band performing in it. The destination was about 75 miles from where Bonita had been working at a Jewish overnight camp called "Camp Wel-Met" in Narrowsburg. Weiser had come to visit from Brooklyn (where they both were from) and they left on July 23rd 1973. There last known sighting was when they were hitchhiking on route 97. They have not been seen since.
Bit weak, and disappearance 18 days prior to threat. Keep looking.

 
Posted : June 11, 2013 5:44 pm
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How was it determined the letter relates to a threat on Albany Medical Center, eh? ;)

In the FBI files, FBI says the cipher, at the bottom of the letter, says :

xxxxxxxxxx(blacked out by FB, possibly a name) ALBANY MEDICAL CENTER THIS ONLY THE BEGINNING

Here is some additional info by Trav, more in the link:

viewtopic.php?f=37&t=434

File 4,page 122 states that the FBI could not eliminate the possibility that the person that had written the Times Union note was the same as the person who had written the Zodiac letters.

Hi, english is not my first language so please bear with me :)

 
Posted : June 12, 2013 12:43 am
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Hi-

If Z wanted people to believe this was a letter from him, why is the handwriting so far off and the code so unlike anything Z ever did? Z NEVER made his symbol like it is written on front of the envelope. He used 11 o’clock circles and 1 o’clock circles, not the one we see on the envelope.

Mike.

IMO because the main trait , and most consistant about Zodiac, was his inconsistancy.
IMO that was his nr 1 tactic to avoid capture, and it for sure greatly concerned his relationship with the written word.
Everything he did, he did on purpos IMO, and he did it because he could, he had the skills to delibratly confuse, not because he was confused, to the contrary, he was IMO in total control.
It was a VERY smart tactic, because, as I see it, it worked 100%.
So far ;)

Hi, english is not my first language so please bear with me :)

 
Posted : June 12, 2013 12:58 am
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Hi-

If Z wanted people to believe this was a letter from him, why is the handwriting so far off and the code so unlike anything Z ever did? Z NEVER made his symbol like it is written on front of the envelope. He used 11 o’clock circles and 1 o’clock circles, not the one we see on the envelope.

Mike.

IMO because the main trait , and most consistant about Zodiac, was his inconsistancy.
IMO that was his nr 1 tactic to avoid capture, and it for sure greatly concerned his relationship with the written word.
Everything he did, he did on purpos IMO, and he did it because he could, he had the skills to delibratly confuse, not because he was confused, to the contrary, he was IMO in total control.
It was a VERY smart tactic, because, as I see it, it worked 100%.
So far ;)

But if you are Zodiac and you are going to say you are Zodiac, why not write like you always did and offer something more? I don’t see it…

I actually see most of Zodiac’s letters being very consistant. Even when he was TRYING not to be…like with the Belli letter…his writing at the end still stands out as typical Zodiac. He had no need to try and disguise it.

I think people writing these fake letters that clearly are not from Zodiac are the ones who made it work and muddied up the water. :)


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : June 12, 2013 2:08 am
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I think that to say that this letter is from Z precisely because it looks and sounds like nothing Z ever did opens the door to EVERY letter ever sent by anyone having to be considered a legit Z letter whether the handwriting is even close or not. That same argument can be used over and over not only for letters but for seemingly unrelated deaths, since Z said he was going to make his crimes look like other types of murders. Z also never told police when he was going to kill.

I know that some people want this to be a legit Z letter because of the geography involved with a favorite suspect but…this one does not reek of a legit letter to me.

Mike

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Posted : June 12, 2013 2:43 am
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There’s an Albany Ny and a Albany Ca, this is Z saying it’s me and I’m in Ny. I don’t believe a fake Z would be that clever. Daniel

If Zodiac ever mentioned Albany, CA that would be an interesting point. But a random CA town of the same name? Not so much, imo.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : June 12, 2013 5:17 am
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I just have a problem with the notion that the less it looks like a Z letter, the more likely it is one, etc. You can then theoretically never exclude a letter as being genuine no matter the content, writing style or handwriting. And I know someone who has EXTREMELY strong ties to the "other Albany." But even I am not making a case that this letter is a tongue in cheek reference to that "equine" city.

Mike

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Author, The Hunt for Zodiac; 3.9 stars on Amazon and
In The Shadow of Mt. Diablo: The Shocking True Identity of the Zodiac Killer, a second edition in print format. 4.3 Amazon stars and great Editorial reviews. Twitter:@mikerodelli

 
Posted : June 12, 2013 5:33 am
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