Further to Zamantha’s thread about Andrea Ingersoll ( viewtopic.php?f=37&t=569), I wanted to add some other victims that were found in the same area, prior to- and after Ingersoll. I don’t necessarily believe that these are ALL (or any of) Zodiac victims, as I think most would agree.
Also, I’ll summarize of the other known murderers that were operating in the area around the same time as I think it is helpful to eliminate possible Z victims as more likely victims of another killer.
To give a little geographical background, Pittsburg, Bay Point and Antioch are just about 20 minutes (20 miles) away from Lake Herman Road in Benecia, across a narrow section of the Bay. Highway 4 is the major route that connects the three cities. Another 40 miles to the East along Highway 4 is Stockton, which I’ll also include some activity as it helps build some POIs. Prior to 1992, Bay Point was called “West Pittsburg”, if it shows up in any articles.
I’ll list the events in chronological order and post copy of several articles, following this initial post.
The first was Theresa Colleen Brown. Investigators believe she was run off the road into a ravine (Highway 4 at Willow Pass Road) and stabbed to death. Found by a CHP officer early in the morning on 4/22/1988. She was on her way to her home in Antioch, from her job in Walnut Creek (15 minutes South) late at night. I’ll post an article from 2000, which has more details. If any, this one sounds the most Z-like IMO.
The next two are Sharon Mattos, who was found on 7/18/1992 in Pittsburg and Andrea Ingersoll, found on 11/12/1992, in West Pittsburg (now Bay Point — see Zamantha’s thread: viewtopic.php?f=37&t=569). I’ve found few details on Sharon Mattos and the article in the aforementioned Ingersoll post gives her cause of death as "traumatic injury". These two were described as "prostitutes", which matches a characteristic of most of the later area murders.
A big jump to 1998 leads to most well documented of the unsolved murders of the area. 15 year-old Lisa Diane Norrell found dead by apparent asphyxia on 11/6/1998. At some point, there were two men in custody (David Michael Heneby, Jr. and Garry Lee Walton) based on a lead derived from a deal with accused child-molester Duanne Shoemake (who was a local Fire chief, at the time). Ultimately, the two men were released.
Just following the Norrell murder, the activity picks up.
The next is Michael Tan, (one of the most obscure of the lot, due to being male, I presume), found bludgeoned and ultimately drowned in Pittsburg on 11/9/1998. He sticks out as neither a prostitute (apparently) nor not being from the area (from Walnut Creek, 15 minutes due South). I will post the article on his death.
There is a documented attempted kidnapping in Antioch on 11/19/1998.
The next 4, along with Lisa Norrell, are the ones presented in most articles about the string of Highway 4 murders:
On 12/5/1998, Jessica L. Frederick was found in Pittsburg stabbed to death (her boyfriend, Mohammad Niaz was a suspect).
On 12/15/1998, Tammie Davis was found in a Bay Point outhouse, beaten severely, but alive. "She’ll never be at full capacity again", was a quote from a detective.
On 12/15/1998, Rachael Cruise was found strangled and smothered in Pittsburg.
On 1/8/1999, the series apparently ends with Valeria Dawn "China" Schultz found stabbed and strangled in Bay Point.
There are a few names that haunt the area, Joseph Naso, Roger Kibbe, Darryl Kemp, Charles Jackson and Phillip J. Hughes, but their convictions and/or incarcerations (except for the currently-on-trial, Naso), make them difficult (or impossible) to connect to the above murders, particularly the later ones.
Phillip Garrido, who was sentenced in 2011 for the kidnapping and sexual assault of Jaycee Lee Dugard. He lived in Antioch, from 1988, after being paroled for a prior rape. His initial arrest (in 2009) prompted a new investigation into the above murders, with a focus on the murder of Lisa Norrell.
In 2008, William Jennings Choyce, of Stockton, was convicted of the murder of Lawanda Beck, found on 7/2/1997 in Stockton, Gwendolyn Lee, found on 8/11/1997 in Stockton, and Victoria Bell, found on 4/3/1988 in Oakland. All three were known prostitutes and had been raped and shot. Choyce has been incarcerated since 2002 for 2 rapes (in 1994 and 2001) prior to the 3 homicide convictions.
March 19, 2000 Contra Costa Times
IN 1988, DARLING GIRL’ IS STABBED
AN INVESTIGATOR IS CONVINCED A WOMAN LIVING IN ANTIOCH WAS KILLED BY SOMEONE SHE KNEW
Author: Kristi Belcamino
Concord The sun was just beginning to swell above the hills when the California Highway Patrol officer noticed the black skid marks on eastbound Highway 4 at Willow Pass Road.
Peering down into a ravine from the side of the road, he spotted the two-door brown Mercury Montego. It was upright, but facing the wrong direction.
When he reached the bottom of the ditch, the officer found the car empty, and the passenger side window broken out. He found the bloody body of a 30-year-old woman in a thicket of bamboo about 15 feet away.
Theresa Colleen Brown had been stabbed to death.
Nearly 12 years later, her slaying remains unsolved.
While investigators have not determined a motive, Contra Costa County sheriff’s Sgt. Mark Hale said he does not believe it was a random killing.
"We don’t feel this is a stranger who did this," he said. "This is not a wandering, hobo hitchhiker who jumped off a train. This was someone in the area."
Brown’s mother, Loise Proulx of Antioch, remains eager to find out who killed her daughter.
"It would mean everything to me," she said. "If I knew who it was and he was executed, I’d be there to watch him. I would want him punished."
She even wrote to then-Gov. Pete Wilson asking him to offer a reward for information about her daughter’s death but to no avail.
Proulx described her daughter as a "darling girl," devoted to her children. Brown liked to go out on Friday nights and loved to laugh.
After separating from her husband, Brown left Oregon in January 1988 and moved to her mother’s house in Antioch with her youngest, a 4-year-old boy, in tow.
Her then-husband, who still lives in Oregon and was living there with their two older children when she died, is not a suspect, Hale said. Their youngest son lives with his father now.
At the time of her death, Brown had worked for about two weeks as a cocktail waitress at the Ramada Renaissance Hotel in Walnut Creek.
She had a tough facade, but was also described by co-workers as very friendly and outgoing, Hale said.
Brown seemed to have made most of her acquaintances in bars, and some of these casual friends were "biker types," Hale said.
Brown’s sister Mary Knibbe said Brown was "carefree and innocent" but began hanging out with a tough crowd shortly after moving to Antioch. Still, on most nights Brown went straight to the baby sitter’s house to pick up her little boy after her work shift ended, Hale said.
On the night of her slaying, Brown did not mention that she had other plans, and the baby sitter expected her to pick up her son. She never showed up.
Brown was last seen at 2:15 a.m. April 22, 1988, when she left work. Her body was discovered at 6:30 a.m.
Other hotel employees told police there had been no problems with customers that night and several had watched Brown get into her car and leave alone, Hale said.
He believes she met her killer somewhere later. There were signs that Brown had sexual contact after leaving work, but Hale doesn’t know if it was with the killer or someone else.
What Hale said he does believe, though, is that before Brown’s killer stabbed her, he terrorized the 30-year-old, chasing her down the freeway and running her car off the road.
After the crash, the killer hiked down into the ravine after her. Before she was stabbed, Brown had either been dragged out of the car, Hale said, or she was already out of the car and trying to run away.
Proulx and Knibbe both said they believe Brown was killed because she knew something the killer didn’t want her to know. Hale said this was one of several possible motives detectives have considered.
November 11, 1998 Contra Costa Times
PITTSBURG POLICE FOCUS CASE ON WHERE MAN WAS KILLED
Author: Renita Sandosham and Ryan Kim
PITTSBURG – Police on Tuesday were trying to determine whether a Concord man found dead in a drainage ditch was bludgeoned there or attacked elsewhere and left in the ditch to die.
A pedestrian found 29-year-old Michael Tan at 7:50 a.m. Monday in a ditch alongside North Parkside Drive, about 100 yards west of Andrew Avenue.
Tan, who was wearing jeans and a white T-shirt, appeared to have died within six hours of his discovery, police said.
The Coroner’s Office said Tan, who had suffered severe head injuries, drowned. He was lying face down in shallow water at the bottom of the ditch.
Pittsburg police Lt. William Zbacnik said it was unclear where Tan was assaulted.
Zbacnik said there were no signs of a struggle near the ditch. Tan’s friends and family said the man did not have friends or acquaintances in Pittsburg. Zbacnik also said Tan’s car was found at his Concord apartment.
Tan’s apartment manager said he was a Philippines native, who still had family members overseas.
"He was always talking about how much his phone bill was," said Tori Combs, manager of the Willow Green apartments on Willow Pass Road. She said investigators had been at the complex interviewing neighbors.
"He was a nice person," she said. "It was such a shock to us."
She said Tan and his girlfriend had lived at the apartment complex for four years.
Tan, who did odd jobs as a mechanic, drove his Triumph Spitfire everywhere, Combs said.
"He loved his car. He babied that car," she said.
She said it was unusual that the car was left at the complex.
Combs also said Tan enjoyed hanging out at nearby Malta’s, a bar where he played pool regularly. Tan, who also enjoyed going to card rooms in Pacheco, kept a pool cue in his trunk, she said.
His girlfriend told the apartment manager that he had been asleep when she left the apartment to go to work Sunday night, Combs said.
A bartender at Malta’s said Tan was a regular, but she had not seen him in more than a week.
Until investigators determine where Tan was first bludgeoned, Pittsburg police will continue to handle the case.
Police did not find Tan’s wallet, but they say they have no other evidence to indicate that Tan may have been a victim of a robbery.
January 9, 1999 Contra Costa Times
5TH BODY IN PITTSBURG AREA
Author: Joan Morris
The layer of fear spreading over Pittsburg thickened Friday when the body of another young woman was discovered in an industrial area within a few miles of where four bodies have been found in the past two months.
Contra Costa sheriff’s investigators, who are handling the case, and Pittsburg police would not say how the woman died or whether the death was a homicide. Officials also refused to speculate on whether a serial killer is preying on East Contra Costans.
Officers have identified the Bay Point woman, who was in her 30s, but would not release her name. Pittsburg police Lt. Kevin Keeler said she has a record of prostitution arrests in Pittsburg and nearby unincorporated areas. Her body was discovered at 12:14 p.m. Friday in a ditch along a barren stretch of Willow Pass Road west of Builders Circle.
News of the death shook a city nervous about four unsolved homicides of three women and one man. Since Nov. 9, when the first body was discovered, Pittsburg residents have watched in horror as the death count has grown. Earlier this week, they rode a roller coaster of emotion as police arrested two suspects in the Norrell case only to have the District Attorney’s Office say there was insufficient evidence to charge them.
Although police have said there is no apparent connection among the four homicides, some area residents believe a serial killer is at work.
"I am scared," said Evelyn Stelly, 42, a former Pittsburg resident now living in Antioch. "It doesn’t make sense, someone killing people like it’s something to do. I think they should let people know it’s a serial killer."
Valerie Lessley of Pittsburg said she was walking down a street last month and was surrounded by police officers who warned she "fit the profile" of a victim.
"You get off the bus paranoid and run home," said Lessley, 36.
The first body found was that of Michael Tan, a 29-year-old Concord man who was beaten and then drowned in a drainage ditch along North Parkside Drive in Pittsburg on Nov. 9, two days after 15-year-old Lisa Norrell was reported missing.
Lisa disappeared on her way home from a party in Antioch. Her body was discovered on Nov. 14, buried under cardboard and rubble at a landscaping business. Police have kept details of her death secret, revealing only that she died of asphyxia.
Jessica Frederick, who at times had been a prostitute, was next. Frederick, 24, was found dead of stab wounds in an industrial area on Dec. 5. Her body had been dumped alongside a road used mostly by trucks and employees of a wrecking yards and salvage businesses. Her body was discovered about two miles from where Lisa was killed.
Rachael Cruise, a 32-year-old mother of two, was found in a ditch Dec. 14, about a half-mile from where Lisa’s body was found. She had been strangled. As in Lisa’s case, her belongings shoes and a purse were discovered near her body.
On the same day a passerby found Cruise’s body, a prostitute was found badly beaten in nearby Bay Point. She remains hospitalized, unable to speak.
Pittsburg residents have rallied behind the Police Department, although some residents said Friday they are losing faith.
Pittsburg police "need to call in the FBI or somebody else," Stelly said. "All they do is go pick up the bodies."
Wednesday, officials announced two arrests in the Lisa Norrell case and promised to continue investigations into the other slayings. But on Thursday, the Contra Costa County District Attorney’s Office announced it would not file charges against the men, Garry Walton and Michael Heneby.
Prosecutors said they had obtained evidence that convinced them Walton had no connection to the slaying. A source close to the case told the Times that Walton had passed a lie detector test. The 39-year-old mechanic was released from jail Thursday night.
Heneby, 24, remains in County Jail in Martinez on unrelated charges, and prosecutors would not comment on his status. Pittsburg police are keeping the men on their suspects list, saying they are continuing to develop leads.
truthandsoul,
I must say, I’m impressed as you have alot of knowledge about these killings. Awesome as this is what Sandy and myself & perhaps others, wanted a lot more information on. I read many things of interest in your posts. I know of a lot of these places/areas in these killings.
Please continue on with your research & we will try to help as much as possible. I am aware of a strange guy in a card room…
Zincerely, Zam*
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This mentions the Malta’s bar, and again "card rooms in Pacheco"…
PITTSBURG POLICE FOCUS CASE ON WHERE MAN WAS KILLED
November 11, 1998
PITTSBURG – Police on Tuesday were trying to determine whether a Concord man found dead in a drainage ditch was bludgeoned there or attacked elsewhere and left in the ditch to die.
A pedestrian found 29-year-old Michael Tan at 7:50 a.m. Monday in a ditch alongside North Parkside Drive, about 100 yards west of Andrew Avenue.
Tan, who was wearing jeans and a white T-shirt, appeared to have died within six hours of his discovery, police said.
The Coroner’s Office said Tan, who had suffered severe head injuries, drowned. He was lying face down in shallow water at the bottom of the ditch.
Pittsburg police Lt. William Zbacnik said it was unclear where Tan was assaulted.
Zbacnik said there were no signs of a struggle near the ditch. Tan’s friends and family said the man did not have friends or acquaintances in Pittsburg. Zbacnik also said Tan’s car was found at his Concord apartment.
Tan’s apartment manager said he was a Philippines native, who still had family members overseas.
"He was always talking about how much his phone bill was," said Tori Combs, manager of the Willow Green apartments on Willow Pass Road. She said investigators had been at the complex interviewing neighbors.
"He was a nice person," she said. "It was such a shock to us."
She said Tan and his girlfriend had lived at the apartment complex for four years.
Tan, who did odd jobs as a mechanic, drove his Triumph Spitfire everywhere, Combs said.
"He loved his car. He babied that car," she said.
She said it was unusual that the car was left at the complex.
Combs also said Tan enjoyed hanging out at nearby Malta’s, a bar where he played pool regularly. Tan, who also enjoyed going to card rooms in Pacheco, kept a pool cue in his trunk, she said.
His girlfriend told the apartment manager that he had been asleep when she left the apartment to go to work Sunday night, Combs said.
A bartender at Malta’s said Tan was a regular, but she had not seen him in more than a week.
Until investigators determine where Tan was first bludgeoned, Pittsburg police will continue to handle the case.
Police did not find Tan’s wallet, but they say they have no other evidence to indicate that Tan may have been a victim of a robbery.
Kevin Fagan did some articles on The Pittsburg Murders. January 13, 1999
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S … 952410.php
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Kevin Fagan did some articles on The Pittsburg Murders. January 13, 1999
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S … 952410.php
Thanks for this, Zamantha! I think Groucho Marx would say "an easy one and I missed it!" 
some of the quotes in there are a little over-the-top.
I’m going to add a few more articles I’ve collected soon (and hoping to hit the library soon, too!)…
Here are the two original articles on the Brown murder from the Contra Costa Times from April 22 and 24, 1988. Sorry the image quality is so poor. The more recent article posted at the beginning of this thread is somewhat better as an overall summary of this murder.
These are the original Contra Costa Times articles on 1992 victim, Sharon Mattos. Again, sorry about the image quality. I could find no further articles that revealed the cause of death determined by the coroner.
This was the final post I’ve found on the series, focusing on Mohammad Ismail Niaz as a suspect in the Jessica Frederick (stabbing) murder. He was cleared as a suspect in the other area murders. He was Frederick’s live-in boyfriend and the MO (stabbing) was different than the other murders.
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Contra Costa Times (Walnut Creek, CA)
June 12, 2001
MURDER SUSPECT RETURNED TO JAIL
AN APPEALS COURT OVERTURNS A RULING THAT PITTSBURG POLICE HAD FAILED TO GET A WARRANT
CELESTE WARD, TIMES STAFF WRITER
PITTSBURG A cab driver suspected of killing his girlfriend more than three years ago is back in jail after an appeals court overturned a February 2000 decision that police entered his apartment illegally.
Mohammad Ismail Niaz, 52, is being held again in the stabbing death of Jessica L. Frederick, 24. It has been more than a year since Contra Costa Superior Court Judge Laurel Lindenbaum set him free, saying Pittsburg police entered his apartment to search without a warrant.
Frederick’s mother, Caroline Anderson of Pittsburg, said she had heard that Niaz was in custody again. She said she disagreed with Lindenbaum’s ruling at the time.
I think he never should have left jail, she said Monday.
Frederick’s 1998 death was one in a string of killings of young East County women that began with 15-year-old Lisa Norrell. Within two months, police found the bodies of Rachael Cruise, 32, Valerie Dawn China Schultz, 30, and Frederick in Pittsburg and Bay Point. A 38-year-old woman, Tammie Davis, was found beaten nearly to death in a Bay Point portable toilet, but she survived. Police suspected some of the women were prostitutes, but Norrell was just walking home along the dark Pittsburg-Antioch highway late at night.
Frederick’s was the only case in which a suspect was arrested and charged. Police said Frederick and Niaz had dated off and on for years, and when the relationship stalled he killed her out of jealousy.
Niaz is not a suspect in the other Pittsburg killings, said Pittsburg police Lt. William Zbacnik, who manages the investigations division.
There is no evidence to suggest he is a suspect in any other homicide case, Zbacnik said.
The Contra Costa Sheriff’s Office investigated the Schultz homicide because her body was found in Bay Point.
We have no one in custody and no strong suspects at this point, sheriff’s Capt. Scott Daly said Monday.
Frederick’s body was found Dec. 5, 1998, near Third Street in Pittsburg.
Police went to Niaz’s home, following up on tips from another ex-boyfriend of Frederick and her mother. Niaz was not at his Concord apartment when officers arrived, but they saw a patio sliding glass door open.
Police left the apartment to search for Niaz at the Concord BART station, where he often picked up fares.
When the police officers couldn’t find him, they returned to the apartment and entered an unlocked front door without a search warrant. Inside, they found a bent knife and blood in the sink. Police sealed the scene and obtained a search warrant.
Although prosecutors said police entered the apartment because they were concerned for Niaz’s welfare, Lindenbaum disagreed and called the police visit clearly investigatory.
Niaz is being held without bail in County Jail in Martinez. He has a June 18 hearing at which lawyers will set a trial date.
A judge remanded him into custody about a month ago after a court of appeals overturned Lindenbaum’s ruling, said deputy district attorney Mark Eichman.
Zbacnik said police expected all along the case would go back to court.
We kept in contact with him, he said. He was still out driving a cab.
Celeste Ward covers police and public safety in East Contra Costa. Reach her at 925-779-7116 or cward@cctimes.com.
Photo, Mohammad Ismail Niaz mug
Here is some more news about the murders in Pittsburg that some of you asked for
Minnie Norrell, Lisa’s mother, wants to believe this is the end of
thekillings. "I think people may be holding their breath," she said.
"You just hope it doesn’t happen again."
Police have stepped up patrols and increased undercover prostitution
stings in both Bay Point and Pittsburg. Though it is still early,
police said the break in the killings might be a result of those
efforts.
Our priority is to not have this happen again," said sheriff’s Lt.
George Lawrence.
Experts say if the killings are the work of one person, a five-week
break is no cause for celebration.
The so-called "Zodiac Killer" waited more than two years after his
first killing, in October 1966, before striking again in December
1968.
Five weeks is nothing in the annals of serial killers. They can
spread their victims over months and years," said Mike Rustigan, a
criminologist at San Francisco State. "Law enforcement and prostitutes
should not let their guard down."
Rustigan said the intense media coverage and increased police work
might have sent the killer or killers into hiding or made them flee
the area.
While East County residents might welcome the killer or killers moving
on, police said suspects are more likely to be caught if they remain
in the area. Police aren’t starting from scratch when a killing
occurs. And "when it comes time to finally make an arrest, it’s easier
to go down the road or to Antioch than to L.A.," said Zbacni
Police also served a search warrant on Mohammad Niaz of Concord in the
Frederick case, but he is not considered a suspect, police said.
Much evidence from all the cases — fingerprints, fibers, hair and
biological samples — is still being examined.
Police also have broadened their investigation, looking into all
recent parolees and registered sex offenders in the area.
Investigators also are still seeking tips from the public.
lthough it’s natural for people to want to put the killings behind
them, "we’re asking for everyone to stay sharp," said Zbacnik.
Thank you for putting together all of the information you collected. What was leftout of the report about Tammie Davis ,was that she was not only beaten ,her throat was slashed. The out house was a porta potty on a "construction" site. Pittsburg police were very interested in my suspect, after I told them that I went to the prostitutes and showed them a picture of a man that they had described to others , who told me to go and show them my suspects picture. As I said before he was Id’d by one of the girls who got away from him.
Durring the yrs that these murders were taking place, there was a man who would follow women driving alone at night, on Marsh Creek rd and Vasco rd. He would flash his lights and try and get them to stop. ( Not sure if he honked his horn or not ?)
The Brown case reminded me of how many times on the very same highway a man tried to force me off of that road between 2:30am and 3am. One time pointing a gun at me . I wonered if he was the same man who killed Teresa Brown ? I looked into her case to see for myself where she lived ? And found it strange that the police didn’t mention she and her husband had bought a home off of G street in Antioch, before getting their divorce.At least both of their names were on the papers for that home .
As for Victoria Bell, I was one of the last people to talk to her before she was killed. She came into my work in Oakland, we talked for about an hour .My suspect left at the same time she did, He was glarring at us , the bartender had a gad feeling about him and asked me to make sure she got to her car ok. That was Easter Sunday , her body was found the next day. The man who followed her out, was not the one convicted
Thank you for putting together all of the information you collected. What was leftout of the report about Tammie Davis ,was that she was not only beaten ,her throat was slashed. The out house was a porta potty on a "construction" site. Pittsburg police were very interested in my suspect, after I told them that I went to the prostitutes and showed them a picture of a man that they had described to others , who told me to go and show them my suspects picture. As I said before he was Id’d by one of the girls who got away from him.
Durring the yrs that these murders were taking place, there was a man who would follow women driving alone at night, on Marsh Creek rd and Vasco rd. He would flash his lights and try and get them to stop. ( Not sure if he honked his horn or not ?)The Brown case reminded me of how many times on the very same highway a man tried to force me off of that road between 2:30am and 3am. One time pointing a gun at me . I wonered if he was the same man who killed Teresa Brown ? I looked into her case to see for myself where she lived ? And found it strange that the police didn’t mention she and her husband had bought a home off of G street in Antioch, before getting their divorce.At least both of their names were on the papers for that home .
As for Victoria Bell, I was one of the last people to talk to her before she was killed. She came into my work in Oakland, we talked for about an hour .My suspect left at the same time she did, He was glarring at us , the bartender had a gad feeling about him and asked me to make sure she got to her car ok. That was Easter Sunday , her body was found the next day. The man who followed her out, was not the one convicted
Hi Sandy.
Yes, they did leave out that tidbit on Tammie Davis.
I assume the ex-husband was considered a POI in the Brown case? He seems to have been quickly dismissed as a suspect because he lived in Oregon, but they also say they don’t think she was murdered by a stranger…
Right about Victoria Bell; William Jennings Choyce was convicted of her murder. I believe they had incriminating DNA evidence, but there could be another explanation for that…
I wonder what the odds are that a victim is followed out of a restaurant by a known killer, ( Possible serial killer ) and yet another killer is responsible ? I was shown Victoria’s body ,and there was no blood in that picture. If she was shot in the head , there would have been lots of blood. I sometime wonder if victims killed around the same time frame are all thrown into one basket, to get them off of the books ? Especially if they are hookers.
Victoria’s husband died at a young age in Modesto, just a few yrs ago . I found out about him dying when I went to look for him to ask him some questions .
His name was Bertrum Bell.
I doubt that Victoria and I were the only females on Highway 4 ( Also known as blood alley ) who were followed chased and almost forced off that highway by a man late at night. There were other roads near there where a man in a green car, would follow women on lonely roads at night, beep his horn and flash his lights, to try and get them to stop.Marsh Creek rd and Vasco were two of the roads where that took place.
