The Hakari case doesn’t feel much like Zodiac at all, but as pointed out, neither would have the Stine killing.

I still want to know more about the San Joaquin laundry bag. How big was it, etc.? Was this something that athletes or students would put their gym clothes in? Or a laundry bag that a school employee would use to transport towels? That along with the landowner spotting 3 young men near the scene makes me think.

Inspector Ed Reynolds of Sacramento and Lt. Arthur C. Ables of Placer County said that, six days after the disappearance, the owner of the land where the body was buried spotted three young, well-dressed men near a parked car with a partially-popped trunk, digging at the site where Hakari’s remains would eventually be recovered.

The men claimed to be “digging for bottles” when asked. The landowner found this suspicious, as the men were too well-dressed for bottle digging (which apparently is a thing). The witness said the mystery men told him not to touch the car, and shut the trunk to obscure its contents from view when approached.

The departments, working together in search of leads, released a composite of one the three wanted men. If the composite’s to be believed, the rather nondescript suspect was roughly six feet tall and of slender build, with an olive complexion and brown hair.

She has probably been stalked as the killer must have know her car and her swift patterns. Ponderosa way is remote and a long way from Sacramento (1 Hour drive) so the killer must have had previous knowledge of this road.

it’s no secret that I think the zodiac and Santa Rosa murders are connected and again 3 men come up in the cases, the coded messages in the papers ect, to me it all points to a “team zodiac” manalli wrote the letters, Richard dale Andersen was another and the 3rd man is a mystery but I’m pretty sure he was a military man

As we know Judith was found in a Canvas bag. The Canvas was actually made by the Allied Griffith Awning company of Sacramento (Their main operation was the manufacturing of tents), the bag had been manufactured specifically for the San Juan Unified School District. Also found was Cannon-brand ribbed towel from the back seat of her car. The towels were commonly used in “institutions having a large number of showers” like school gyms and health clubs.

So we have two ties possibly to local schools. Whats interesting is that on the day of her abduction the closest school to her home (Encina High School @ 1400 Bell ST 0.3 miles), which is a school within the San Juan Unified School District of Sacramento, had been holding a 2 day Gun Show (by the Central California Arms Collectors). This could have been the possible way that her abductor(s) obtained the above items.

The reason why this could be the case is due to where her body was found (Ponderosa Way). Police believed that whoever dumped the body must have to had knowledge of Ponderosa Way. Their was actually a Gun Club, the Sierra Rifle Club, who had recently joined forces with the Placer Sportsmen inc, who had frequent meetings and shootouts during 1970 at the Ponderosa Way shooting grounds. After the meeting some of them members frequented "The Ponderosa" bar and grill which was in the vicinity of the burial ground.

So we have a gun show on the day of her abduction adjacent to her home, at a school where the evidence at the scene could have originated, and then her body being dumped in the proximity of a gun club. Sounds entirely plausible ?

In Regards to Zodiac what is of interesting is that a few days after her body was found (25th April) we have the Dragon card (28th April) being mailed which shows two miners / prospectors on it. Obviously her body was found at an old mine, so it could have been possible that card was a nod to her murder.

Especially when we consider the next card that Zodiac sent was the Halloween card, this was sent two days after the Nancy Bennallack murder. Police strongly believed that both murders were related.

Strange that the only two cards that Zodiac sent after the Dripping pen letter, were both sent a few days after two bodies from two related murders were found.

Whats also strange is that the Dragon card is when Zodiac starts off on his Button campaign, it was being reported in the papers that the only items of her clothing found at her abduction site were a scarf and Buttons from her coat.

I’ve just looked at all the articles I can find on the Hakari murder, and it seems like the only newspaper that reported on the scarf and button in 1970 was the Sacramento Bee. Seems weird that the Bee was on his reading itinerary if he didn’t live in Sacramento.

Did the Chronicle report this? Wonder if it was mentioned on TV or radio.

Seems weird that the Bee was on his reading itinerary if he didn’t live in Sacramento.

Depends on their circulation area. Wouldn’t be odd at all for the paper to be available in Vallejo, Benecia or any number of towns in the bay area.

If he got the idea of buttons from that article, then it seems like he was a regular reader of the Sac Bee, as it wasn’t a front page story.

In the back seat? Thought it was along the street??

QT

Anyone noticed in an article about the couple who found the body, they referred to them as “looking for bottles”, and then coincidentally in a later article where the land owner mentions the three men he says they told him they were looking for bottles?

Odd coincidence.

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I hope police investigated the male who found the body. No idea if the location was often frequented.

Old mine sites are popular locations to dig for bottles. The fact that people were digging for bottles in this exact area suggests it was right at, or extremely close to the old mine sight. You would dig at the mine, or with feet/meters of it. The idea is to look at places that workman would have dropped bottles. This means the bottle digging area would have been very much considered the area of the mine.

This really does put the Dragon Card in a new light.

Old mine sites are popular locations to dig for bottles. The fact that people were digging for bottles in this exact area suggests it was right at, or extremely close to the old mine sight. You would dig at the mine, or with feet/meters of it. The idea is to look at places that workman would have dropped bottles. This means the bottle digging area would have been very much considered the area of the mine.

This really does put the Dragon Card in a new light.

I wonder if it was regularly frequented? The landowner would have known best if this was recurrent.

Btw is there no description of the suspects’ vehicle? It’s weird they didn’t mention it when they announced they were looking for suspects.

Btw is there no description of the suspects’ vehicle? It’s weird they didn’t mention it when they announced they were looking for suspects.

The landowner who saw the three men digging in the area of Hakari’s gravesite, described the vehicle as a late model sedan. Here is the location, just 677 feet off Ponderosa Way, near Weimar.
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Btw is there no description of the suspects’ vehicle? It’s weird they didn’t mention it when they announced they were looking for suspects.

The landowner who saw the three men digging in the area of Hakari’s gravesite, described the vehicle as a late model sedan. Here is the location, just 677 feet off Ponderosa Way, near Weimar.
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Thanks for that.

This case is really peculiar due to three individuals apparently involved. You’d think it would have been easier to solve.

This case is really peculiar due to three individuals apparently involved. You’d think it would have been easier to solve.

Judith Hakari had a routine, travelling to and from the hospital at set times. From the moment she parked her vehicle at the Markston Apartments, she had literally seconds to reach her front door, making the idea of an opportunistic and random attack unlikely, especially when you consider the ripped strips of Cannon-brand towel found at the abduction site. The person or persons involved planned this attack and knew exactly where to lay in wait. There is a strong possibility they lived in the same apartments or nearby, allowing them to observe her movements in the run up to her abduction.

This case is really peculiar due to three individuals apparently involved. You’d think it would have been easier to solve.

Judith Hakari had a routine, travelling to and from the hospital at set times. From the moment she parked her vehicle at the Markston Apartments, she had literally seconds to reach her front door, making the idea of an opportunistic and random attack unlikely, especially when you consider the ripped strips of Cannon-brand towel found at the abduction site. The person or persons involved planned this attack and knew exactly where to lay in wait. There is a strong possibility they lived in the same apartments or nearby, allowing them to observe her movements in the run up to her abduction.

Her car keys being found on the floorboard almost implies she was surprised by someone being in the car. I have trouble imagining a situation where her kidnapping would have started outside the car with her keys ending up on the floorboard. Like, either someone rode along with her as a passenger, then forced her out after she turned off the engine and pulled the keys out, the threat itself surprising her and causing her to drop the keys. Or someone hidden in the back. Then they have to walk her away unless they killed her or used alcohol or whatever to put her to sleep, which in either case likely requires help to being her to another vehicle.

I guess there is the possibility that someone would have surprised her standing outside the car right after she pulled the keys out, causing her to drop them.

Do we know if they were found on the driver’s side?