I wonder if they used in-house surveyors or if it was subcontracted out. They did have an office in Palo Alto.

Any idea if they are still in business today?

Read the reports very closely, although this seems a complete change of MO it quite possibly isn’t. Think back to Cheri Jo Bates, the POSITION of her body when found, the method of the attack and the wounds she suffered !

Also what could have been on the Halloween card that directly references the NB murder and how could the two be linked together ? HER body was POSITIONED especially her hands

I think this is in reference to the GED match thread.

To your point, I hold the opinion that CJB was not a Zodiac crime so that moves the goalposts quite a bit in our discussion.

Also, where in the report does it say NB’s body was positioned by the perp?

Lastly, this is what Tom said on his site regarding the Halloween card and the connection to Bennallack:

"Something included with the Halloween card. If true, it’s extremely gross.

I got the info from within one of the jurisdictions. The timing of Bennallack and the Halloween card is certainly interesting."

I repeatedly asked him what the "gross" thing was, but he refused to divulge it.

I feel like I’ve come to the conclusion that CJB and by extension Bennalack and Lass are not Z related.

Both were up close and personal, violent physical attacks. In all confirmed Z cases, he has the victim at a distance or some disadvantage that short circuits the possibility of having to physically struggle with the victim.

People are shot at a distance, while in their car or running away. Tied up, busy driving, etc. Also his interest in using a bomb. There’s a weird disconnect in that they are not "hands – on" in the normal sense.

I feel like I’ve come to the conclusion that CJB and by extension Bennalack and Lass are not Z related.

Both were up close and personal, violent physical attacks. In all confirmed Z cases, he has the victim at a distance or some disadvantage that short circuits the possibility of having to physically struggle with the victim.

People are shot at a distance, while in their car or running away. Tied up, busy driving, etc. Also his interest in using a bomb. There’s a weird disconnect in that they are not "hands – on" in the normal sense.

Then you must also believe that the Lake Berryessa crime wasn’t done by the Zodiac either? ( Because that was up close and as personal as it gets! ) I am a firm believer that Zodiac kept his word about changing his MO and that he has not stopped killing. A person claiming to be thee Zodiac sent me a map in the 1980’s, showing that he had over 70 victims at that time. He also let me know that he was responsible for the murder of a 14 yr old girl in Castro Valley,Ca. in 1994 inside of her home and that he killed Deana Hooper in Vallejo 1974. ( The 14 yr old was Jenny Lin) The killer had warned her father days before, that he had his daughter even though at that time he did not. I spoke to her father at Jenny’s memorial and he told me that the killer had a very odd sounding voice. He mimicked the voice for me and it matched the voice of the person I believe is Zodiac. A drawl , but not a southern drawl like Hartnell reported.

As far as Tom V not saying what was found in the Halloween card, he has the privilege of being given inside information that most don’t. Because he knows how to keep his mouth shut, when asked to keep it to himself until he is told otherwise. Morf also gets inside information for the same reason. We don’t need to know things that could compromise the case. The police must have good reason to believe that Nancy Bennallack was a Zodiac victim.

Also, where in the report does it say NB’s body was positioned by the perp?

As this is from the coroners report and not the police reports so I can only speculate. Look at the below and make your own mind up. APOLOGIES for the graphical content.

Nancy’s finger pointing to her cut neck, seems to be something that didn’t just occur by accident. That is so Z like to me that he would "position" her hand to point to the wound.

At the CJB crime scene, it is doubtful that she fell and then crossed her legs. That appears to be done by her killer.

Sandy,

Yes, I understand Tom and others are privy to information that most of us are not. Whether that information could "compromise" a 50 year old cold case is debatable. My opinion is that at this point, law enforcement should show their hand and see if it might lead to a tip or two. That’s a different topic for a different time.

As far as the Zodiac positioning the body, it’s certainly possible. He was witnessed trying and failing to sit Stine upright in the driver’s seat before fleeing. Still, it’s all speculation. It’s just as likely that they ended up like that after a struggle.

Sandy,

Yes, I understand Tom and others are privy to information that most of us are not. Whether that information could "compromise" a 50 year old cold case is debatable. My opinion is that at this point, law enforcement should show their hand and see if it might lead to a tip or two. That’s a different topic for a different time.

As far as the Zodiac positioning the body, it’s certainly possible. He was witnessed trying and failing to sit Stine upright in the driver’s seat before fleeing. Still, it’s all speculation. It’s just as likely that they ended up like that after a struggle.

Face down in pillow which had been cut open and one hand with only the index finger showing ?

Yes.

There was clearly a violent struggle that occurred. It’s certainly possible the pillow was cut open during the wild stabbing and she ended up face down in it. I’m not discounting the possibility that she was posed or positioned, but I’m not convinced either.

Sandy,

Yes, I understand Tom and others are privy to information that most of us are not. Whether that information could "compromise" a 50 year old cold case is debatable. My opinion is that at this point, law enforcement should show their hand and see if it might lead to a tip or two. That’s a different topic for a different time.

As far as the Zodiac positioning the body, it’s certainly possible. He was witnessed trying and failing to sit Stine upright in the driver’s seat before fleeing. Still, it’s all speculation. It’s just as likely that they ended up like that after a struggle.

I’ve always wondered why Zodiac was seen trying to position Stine to the upright position. I always thought it was maybe because he didn’t want to draw attention to the cab immediately–to look like the driver was sitting there. Never even considered the possibility the he was being positioned for any other reason until now. Gives me something to think about.

Would be helpful to get a better look at those footprints.

Certainly a wing walker footprint..killing happened on a Sunday.

She was a ‘court reporter for Superior Court Judge Robert W. Cole. Twice a week she went with Cole to the Juvenile Center for cases there‘; which could support the theory that Z went into Bloch’s house (Stine scene; juvenile social worker) watching the motorbikes from above instead of hiding inside Jahn’s in some bushes (not being found by dogs..).

Benallack’s name to be mentioned with Carol Beth Hilburn, two and a half weeks later – both during Z ‘high season’:

Knife and beaten to death, the victim’s throat had been cut and she was so badly beaten that dental records were necessary to establish her identity. Her body was discovered at 4:40 pm clad only in a pair of panties and a slipper/sock covering one foot. Carol Hilburn was 5’8’ tall and weighed 130 lbs with blond hair and blue eyes. Her pretty face had been destroyed. An autopsy was performed that same day. The pathologist concluded that she suffered blunt force trauma to the face and head caused by “various lacerations, bruises and fractures.” Because of the variously shaped injuries he states that a variety of weapons could have been used including an axe, hatchet, cleaver or knife. There were also indications that she might have been strangled although the traumatic injuries were the primary cause of death. There were no indications that the victim fought for her life. The possibility exists that Hilburn was forcibly drugged because there was a needle mark on one arm and amphetamines were detected in her urine, but there was no evidence of past needle marks on her body. The autopsy/coroner’s report indicated that oral, rectal and vaginal smears were taken and showed “no evidence of spermatozoa in any of the smears examined”.

MO yes – CJB style – but drugs? Because of the drugs, I think both cases MAY be Z related but most likely are not. Rather biker gang crimes; just opinion.

QT

I think you may be getting confused. The images in your post are not from the Bennallack murder. Also the Hilburn attack is nothing to do with Bennallack, the Hakari attack maybe but not Hilburn. ?

I’ve long suspected that Zodiac was involved somehow in land surveying. I’d be curious to know who or what company did the surveying for the developers/contractors.

Land surveying is definitely at the top of my list of occupations for Zodiac. I could also see real estate agent or teacher.

I’m beginning to re-think my initial opinion of Zodiac’s intelligence and education.

I don’t think he was a blubbering moron, but I think many of us (myself included) have over-stated his intelligence. I think he tried to come off as smart and clever, but ultimately exposed himself as merely average. Kind of like someone who tries to use big words, but uses them incorrectly.

I think surveyor might be above Zodiac’s level of intelligence and education.