Thank you Seagull and Jacob, for sharing those articles! I woke up this morning still trying to remember the name of the victim found on Lake Herman rd. Now that I have read about her murder, it wasn’t the usual over kill that we see in Zodiac murders. Shiri – Dine Bana’s case had signs of Zodiac all over it.
While searching for any information on the other victim found on Lake Herman rd, I saw that Robert Graysmith had a couple listed on page 222 in "Zodiac Unmasked". He refers to Lake Herman Rd and a couple. The boy was found shot between the eyes and the girl was strangled. Graysmith drops the ball so to speak, nothing more about the couple , the date it happened or their names? Must have been when his suspect Art Allen was in jail or he couldn’t place him in the area, so they weren’t important to him?
Again while looking for more information, I found that the fingerprints from the phone booth in Napa and the ones found on Hartnell’s car door, were not a match to finger prints on one of the Zodiac letters! ( That fits my theory of possibly two working in tandem. )
While searching for any information on the other victim found on Lake Herman rd, I saw that Robert Graysmith had a couple listed on page 222 in "Zodiac Unmasked". He refers to Lake Herman Rd and a couple. The boy was found shot between the eyes and the girl was strangled. Graysmith drops the ball so to speak, nothing more about the couple , the date it happened or their names? Must have been when his suspect Art Allen was in jail or he couldn’t place him in the area, so they weren’t important to him?)
The girl being strangled sounds like an up close and personal murder a predator like McLain would engage in. The geography and a couple being targeted with a firearm undeniably makes Zodiac a prime suspect, however.
Has there ever been a POI who committed serial killings in such close proximity, and with such similar MO, to Zodiac’s? Possibly even on the same roads in Vallejo? Because we have that with McLain.
There have been many murders that Zodiac has claimed ,that have been ignored.( Many were "strangled", stabbed, tortured.) So yes, I do think there are many more out there that are still unsolved, that I believe Zodiac is responsible for.
Some were able to escape, who got a very good look at him. We are talking about crimes happening in the 1990’s.
Jan 1st 1994 the "Contra Costa Times" had a article warning women about driving lonely roads late at night. Three separate women were followed by a man driving a dark green sedan. They all said he came up from behind, flashes his lights and tries to turn them off the road.
One if those roads ( Highway 4) was where my suspect who was driving a dark green sedan , tried to force me off that road. That is also the same road Teresa Brown was forced off of and then stabbed to death.
The flashing lights and being followed, reminded me of Kathleen Johns.
Anybody that lives in California should keep a firearm in the car. All the bad guys carry guns because they know just how evil people can be. They are not stupid. If you don’t carry a gun in California you are very naive as to what is reality. At least carry a Micro-Tech Mini Socom tanto or a good OTF auto. That is your last line of defense. You must put cold steel into your attacker to seal their fate.
I have always hated the Zodiac very much. The one time I went to San Diego I carried the Micro-Tech Mini Socom Tanto, non auto. I have both the auto and non auto version of this knife. It can save you life and ruin the life of your assailant. When you meet Zodiac you can take the smile right off his ugly face, literally.
Most people carry a American Express card with them and never leave home without it. I carry my gun instead! Zodiac is a coward he goes after defenseless people. If he is the man who likes to play games with me and has followed me, he knows I can shoot straight and I carry a gun. I do believe that has protected me all these years. At one time I had one of those useless 25 Saturday night specials, ( because it fit in my purse )my suspect was in my back yard one night. I went after him and pulled the trigger, the gun jammed! He laughed as he left my yard. He could have easily turned around and shot me.
Police do protect us, but can’t be with us 24 -7 , so we have to protect ourselves! There is far less crime in places that allow their people to carry a gun. All of these cowardly shooters that have killed so many innocent people at large gatherings, wouldn’t do it if they thought someone else could shoot back.
I do not suggest leaving a gun in your car! I did that one night after I got home from work, thank goodness I had the car doors locked. Because my stalkers buddy Bob Hernandez was standing at my car inside my garage with his hand on the drivers side door, when I heard a noise and opened the door and saw him standing there with his back to me. He walked out slowly as I stood there frozen.
Sorry got caught up in the above post and got off track, this thread is about "Shiri-Dine Bana.
Graysmith’s book gives October 1979 as the date of another double murder on Lake Herman Road. A month before Robert Cruz McLain was arrested for the murder of Diana Bazargani, whose body was found near Lake Herman Road.
If this double murder actually happened then I’m convinced McLain was responsible, as well for Bana, who was possibly strangled according to the coroner. As to whether McLain has any connection to Zodiac is another question.
Jacob,That was on page 222 , I pointed that story out in an earlier post. Lake Herman rd is a very long road, Shiri -Dine Bana was found just yards away from where Betty Lou and David were killed. not miles away down that road. And her car was put where Darlene was killed, which is very Zodiac like and not at all like your suspect.
You should start a thread just for your suspect and list all of the victims that you believe he killed on that thread. That is what Relentless did with her suspect she has made a interesting thread about her suspect.
Here is a copy of the post I mentioned.
While searching for any information on the other victim found on Lake Herman rd, I saw that Robert Graysmith had a couple listed on page 222 in "Zodiac Unmasked". He refers to Lake Herman Rd and a couple. The boy was found shot between the eyes and the girl was strangled. Graysmith drops the ball so to speak, nothing more about the couple , the date it happened or their names? Must have been when his suspect Art Allen was in jail or he couldn’t place him in the area, so they weren’t important?
Here is a copy of the post I mentioned.
While searching for any information on the other victim found on Lake Herman rd, I saw that Robert Graysmith had a couple listed on page 222 in "Zodiac Unmasked". He refers to Lake Herman Rd and a couple. The boy was found shot between the eyes and the girl was strangled. Graysmith drops the ball so to speak, nothing more about the couple , the date it happened or their names? Must have been when his suspect Art Allen was in jail or he couldn’t place him in the area, so they weren’t important?
It is frustrating. There is also little available information about Robert McLain. I agree I should make a POI thread on him.
Jacob,That was on page 222 , I pointed that story out in an earlier post. Lake Herman rd is a very long road, Shiri -Dine Bana was found just yards away from where Betty Lou and David were killed. not miles away down that road. And her car was put where Darlene was killed, which is very Zodiac like and not at all like your suspect.
You should start a thread just for your suspect and list all of the victims that you believe he killed on that thread. That is what Relentless did with her suspect she has made a interesting thread about her suspect.
Of course Zodiac could have been responsible for these murders, but they took place while Robert McLain was active in the same area. Bana was found, on Lake Herman Road, only months before Bazargani, who was found near Lake Herman Road. What are the odds two unrelated serial killers were operating in such close vicinity?
This is why I am interested in McLain as a Zodiac POI. He was 29-30 years old during the canonical Zodiac murders. He slayed victims all over California, even travelling from NorCal to Ventura County to kill a woman who testified in his child abuse trial.
It is chilling Bana was found only yards from where Betty Lou and David were killed, and her car driven to Blue Rock Springs. Almost as if it was a ritual by the killer to commemorate the Zodiac murders ten years prior.
I am unable to find these two victims anywhere, were they made up victims by Graysmith to help point towards Art Allen? That should have been a huge story , but yet none found?
I am unable to find these two victims anywhere, were they made up victims by Graysmith to help point towards Art Allen? That should have been a huge story , but yet none found?
Unfortunately that seems to be the case. Or maybe the murders linked to McLain went through the rumor mill and got embellished with details linking to Zodiac. I’d guess in the days before the internet it was easier for details to get mixed up.
They probably did not exist is why he didn’t give their names. I looked for any murders in that area in 1979, they are not listed. I am very disappointed in what I am learning about Robert Graysmith, he use to be my hero, because I believe he saved my life by writing his Zodiac book. I was able to recognize who my stalker was because of the descriptions in that book. It also helped me to know how to deal with him and what to say when I talked to him. I am sure that I am still alive because of that Zodiac book.
Made a POI thread on McLain: viewtopic.php?f=47&t=4562&p=75500#p75500
