^ Great points! Are there any Z POIs that we know of that were born in 1947? Would make this letter writer around 68 years old now btw – if still alive. And if he didn’t screw up his own service number – I mean much of the typed letter was very incoherent. But I do think taking the numbers for what they are as he wrote them is the best avenue to take for now.

I know after some quick research now that Herbert Mullen was born in 47 and was from Salinas. He was a serial killer who murdered 13. Apprehended in 73. More at link but here’s the beginning of it:

Mullin was born in Salinas, California but was raised in Santa Cruz. His father, a World War II veteran, was strict but not abusive. He frequently discussed his heroic war activities and showed his son how to use a gun at an early age. Mullin had numerous friends at school and was voted "Most Likely to Succeed" by his classmates. However, shortly after graduating from San Lorenzo high school, one of his best friends was killed in a car accident, and Mullin was devastated.[2] He built a shrine to his deceased friend in his bedroom. Later he expressed fears that he was homosexual, even though he had a longtime girlfriend at the time.

In 1969, at the age of 21, Mullin allowed his family to commit him to a mental hospital. Over the next few years, he would enter various institutions, but would discharge himself after only a short stay. He extinguished cigarettes on his own skin, attempted to enter the priesthood, and got evicted from an apartment after he repeatedly pounded on the floor, shouting at people who were not there.

Many years later, famed FBI profiler Robert K. Ressler would assert that Mullin had paranoid schizophrenia, manifesting as early as his senior year of high school, and could have been accelerated by the use of LSD, or amphetamines.[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Mullin

Uh sounds very close to the profile of the draft board letter writer!!!

Wow sorry but this all is riveting! I had never heard of Herbert until now and he indeed was a scary guy who had issues with the war ending in Vietnam for psychotic reasons!

"Herb Mullin was born on April 18, 1947. Mullin seemed totally normal throughout his childhood. The son of a World War 2 veteran, Mullin was an extremely bright and sensitive boy who was involved in sports and voted "most likely to succeed" in High School. By the age of thirty-six, he was a raging schizophrenic and a prolific Serial Killer.

The summer after his High School graduation, Mullin’s close friend Dean Richardson was killed in an auto accident. This seemed to trigger the start of his odd behavior and he soon had built a shrine to his dead friend in his bedroom (and told his gf he believed he was gay, so perhaps he was in love with that friend who died and it didn’t work so well with his psychopathy) and also began to obsess about reincarnation, religion, and impending natural disasters. Drugs became a big part of Mullin’s life and his deteriorating mental state was coaxed along by huge doses of acid. His behavior frightened his family and friends and he was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and was institutionalized on and off throughout the remainder of his time as a free man.

Nothing seemed to help however. Mullin complained of hearing voices and adopted many different persona’s, re-inventing himself alternately as a yoga disciple, amateur boxer, hippie, and a sombrero-wearing Mexican. The fads never lasted long before he began his odd search for the newest road to peace of mind. He eventually settled on murderer and began his killings on October 13, 1972, near his hometown of Felton, California.

Mullin spotted a homeless man along a quiet stretch of road, pulled over and lifted the hood of his car, feigning car trouble. When the old man offered assistance Mullin bludeoned him to death with a baseball bat. Nobody paid much attention when the man’s body was found a few days later.

Next Mullin picked up a young hitchhiker in Santa Cruz named Mary Guilfoyle and stabbed her to death, taking time to slice her body open and pull out her organs. Her body was not discovered until Febrary the next year. Switching gears on November 2 the killer strolled into a Los Gatos Catholic Church and stabbed Father Henri Tomsi dead in the confessional booth.

Mullin shot drug-dealing acquaintance Jim Gianera and his wife dead on January 25, 1973, in the couple’s Santa Cruz home. He applied a finishing touch by stabbing their corpses repeatedly before leaving to kill another acquaintance, Kathy Francis, and her two young sons, shooting them dead and again knifing their bodies after death in another case of overkill.

February 10 proved to be an unlucky day for four teenaged boys that Mullin stumbled upon in a wooded state park. The youngsters had set up a campsite and invited Mullin into their large tent after he happened upon them while wandering the woods. He repayed their kindness by slaughtering them with gunfire as they sat trapped inside.

The bodies were discovered inside their blood-soaked tent a week later. By that time Mullin had already killed yet again. On February 13 Fred Perez was working on the driveway of his home when he was shot and killed by the lunatic slayer. A neighbor witnessed Perez’ murder and Mullin was arrested a short distance away. His killings were finally over.

The rest of the story was a dizzying display of bizarre behavior by Mullin throughout his time in jail and during his subsequent trial. It was evident during the police interrogation immediately after his arrest when he responded to investigators questions by screaming out "Silence!" and got worse from there. The clean-cut killer claimed he had stopped a disasterous earthquake from striking California when he killed his victims, thus saving countless lives.

He also stated that voices, including his father’s, had ordered him to kill and that he had telpathically gained permission from the boys in the tent before dispatching of them. Mullin constantly ranted and spent considerable time jotting his twisted theories down on paper. Some of the highlights occured during his entertaining trial, at the beginning of which he predictably pleaded innocent by reason of insanity.

His lawyer told the court of Mullin’s strange ideas, such as his theory that his family had conspired to hide bisexuality from him as a child and that he should have had the privilege of having orgasms, courtesy of his own family members, by the age of six.

Mullin eventually took the stand in his own defense and preached to the courtroom that there was a grand conspiracy to deep him from becoming "too powerful in his next life", one of his popular reincarnation theories. Also, because Einstein died on his birthday, Mullin claimed he was therefore the "designated leader of my generation". As for the killings themselves, they were consented to by his victims of course. "Every homosapien communicates telepathically, it’s just not accepted socially", he told the weary court.

Somehow, the jury muddled throught this circus and madness and found Mullin sane and guilty of ten murders in August of 1973. He was sentenced to life in prison and will be eligible for parole in 2025."

I wonder if there is any handwriting on record for HM?!

More info here to at that site with the nasty url http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/mullin-herbert.htm

Excerpts of Q and A with HM:

INTERESTING BITS & QUOTES

Mullin was known to water his doormat every day.

At same time as Mullin’s crimes Edmund Kemper was also in his "Co-Ed Killer" murder spree and Santa Cruz became known as "Murderville USA."

In Whoever Fights Monsters, Robert Ressler described Mullin as "docile, polite, and handsome, but uncommunicative… Every few minutes he would ask, ‘Sir, can I go back to my room now.’"

Ressler goes on to say that he believes that Mullins should not be in prison, that he is in fact insane and should be in a mental institution. According to Ressler, Mullin still believes that what he did was good for society, that he saved us all from certain death.

Another short guy who became a killer – Mullin was 5′ 7".

"It was to avoid the great earthquake that was coming earlier this year. And it was prevented"

Mullin tells his psychiatrist how he saved the world.

Mullin gave his own version of the conversation he had with Father Henry Tomei –

H.T. – Herbert, do you read the bible?

H.M. – Yes.

H.T. – The commandments, where it says to honour thy father and mother?

H.M. – Yes

H.T. – Then you know how important it is to do as your father says.

H.M. – Yes

H.T. – I think it’s so important that I want to volunteer to be your next sacrifice.

AND NOW FOR SOMETHING SPECIAL…

This is Mullins reason for murder, in his own words. It was taken from an early interrogation.

Q. You say it started with revenge, but that it also had to do with preventing earthquakes, which I guess other people had been doing. Other people were killing other people, which was keeping the earth quite. In particular the San Andreas fault? Or in general? Or what?

A. All faults. We human beings, through the history of the world, have protected our continents from cataclysmic earthquakes by murder. In other words, a minor natural disaster avoids a major natural disaster.

Q. But if murder is a natural disaster, then why should you be locked up for it, if it’s natural and has a good effect?

A. Your laws. You see, the thing is, people get together, say, in the White House. People like to sing the die song, you know, people like to sing the die song. If I am president of my class when I graduate from high school, I can tell two, possible three young homo sapiens to die. I can sing that song to them and they’ll have to kill themselves or be killed – and automobile accident, a knifing, a gunshot wound. You ask me why this is? And I say, well, they have to do that in order to protect the ground from an earthquake, because all of the other people in the community, because all the other people in the community had been dying all year long, and my class, we have to chip in so to speak to the darkness. We have to die also. And people would rather sing the die song than murder.

Q. What is the die song?

A. Just that. I’m telling you to die. I’m telling you to kill yourself, or be killed so that my continent will not fall off into the ocean. See, it’s all based on reincarnation, this dies to protect my strata.

Did Mullin have a connection to NY? Whomever wrote this, lived in NY during his teen years, in particular, the Syracuse area.

Did Mullin have a connection to NY? Whomever wrote this, lived in NY during his teen years, in particular, the Syracuse area.

No clue on whether or not there is a Syracuse connection, but why were there stamps for Salinas all over everything? I’m confused as to what process the letters went through so I’ll have to look back over that. Also will check to see if HM had NY connections during his teen years.

Why was manelli writing about a fortress in Marin hills?

Soze

Since this is a draft letter, could it be possible that rainbow, was a reference to the 1940’s rainbow war plan directive involving B-17’s? There was a plane crash in 1947 involving a B-17 that went down in Marin County due to fog.

Sorry. Just looking at all things.

Soze

I wonder why the letter writer states, "Are you a woman then you can understand…". ???

I wonder why the letter writer states, "Are you a woman then you can understand…". ???

Gandhi wrote:

To call woman the weaker sex is a libel; it is man’s injustice to woman. If by strength is meant brute strength, then, indeed, is woman less brute than man. If by strength is meant moral power, then woman is immeasurably man’s superior. Has she not greater intuition, is she not more self-sacrificing, has she not greater powers of endurance, has she not greater courage? Without her, man could not be. If nonviolence is the law of our being, the future is with woman. Who can make a more effective appeal to the heart than woman?"

Seems like he was hoping to pull at the heart strings of a woman.

Soze

but why were there stamps for Salinas all over everything?

There aren’t. It’s "SALINA" St in Syracuse.

Also, wasn’t Ross in California by the time he was 16? He wouldn’t have needed to register until he was 18. I think it’s within 30 days of your 18th birthday.

Ross was born July 28, 1941, theoretically he should have registered for the draft by Aug. 28, 1959. One of the things they ask for on the form for getting a person’s selective service record is the address of where they were living at the time they registered. This is mandatory.

We might be in luck here because Ross’s mother died Sept. 12, 1959, her death certificate would have the residence address on it. Did anyone get Ross’s mother’s death certificate? If so, PM me the address on it and I will try to get Ross’s selective service number.

Student wrote to incarcerated individuals about reincarnation and HM responded. I think this is the same HM and is authentic. So if anyone was interested in comparing HM handwriting to draft board handwriting here is his handwriting from a letter written very recently with an original poem he wrote (about a month ago!)

https://www.reddit.com/r/serialkillers/ … to_figure/

And another letter, almost identical in format/style but older:

Also included image that is example of how he signs return address. Also pic of his art of a rainbow.

Thanks for sourcing those pp.

An easy one thankfully. No match. There are quite a few differences but here’s a good one to illustrate. Both use a looped and joined ‘th’. Both quite distinct and I would say habits.

Super cool to see the comparison! Thank Trav! . There’s certainly more drawings and handwriting all over net for HM. The guy gets around. He is an interesting read in general. Poor psychotic dude.

Again thank you for taking the time to Create the comparison! Love that.

Also, wasn’t Ross in California by the time he was 16? He wouldn’t have needed to register until he was 18. I think it’s within 30 days of your 18th birthday.

Ross was born July 28, 1941, theoretically he should have registered for the draft by Aug. 28, 1959. One of the things they ask for on the form for getting a person’s selective service record is the address of where they were living at the time they registered. This is mandatory.

We might be in luck here because Ross’s mother died Sept. 12, 1959, her death certificate would have the residence address on it. Did anyone get Ross’s mother’s death certificate? If so, PM me the address on it and I will try to get Ross’s selective service number.

Just wanted to bump this post by Seagull up so it doesn’t get lost. Feel it important that anyone with Ross’s mother’s death certificate contact Seagull. Thanks again Seagull. You’re one smart cookie

Also side note and just little observation: was CJB born in 1947? If draft board writer was born in 47 and may have been Z – and if Z killed CJB – it’s interesting that they are around the same age. Might point to something – did draft board letter writer go to school with CJB? Know eachother through activities involving youth their age?

Would be very interested to know if any more came of digging into these letters. They’re fascinating.