Notice how the LLs are written in wrigle …

P S .. HA.L.LOWE en….

The Halloween "wiggly writing" is printed. Unless you’re suggesting he was the designer of the original card as well as the person who wrote on it… Pah!

No.. I Will just bring the two together and let you work it out .i dont need the pressure..
Cheers

I tend to lean towards these letters being from Z.

If any pre 1974 letter was a forgery, I would guess that the Pines card would be it. (Wasn’t there a rumor that a cop admitted to forging it?)
At the same time it seems to point to a Woman that has been missing for over 40 years….

One possible reason for the variation in stamps could be related to a theory quoted here:

I personally find it probable that The Zodiac did not live in the immediate Bay Area. His first set of letters, 3 sets in number, all near-identical, and all sent to rival Bay Area newspapers, introduced himself as the murderer of the Vallejo victims, David Faraday, Betty Lou Jensen and Darlene Ferrin. He used Eaton marked paper. His next letter, a very significant one, was written on Woolworth’s “Fifth Avenue” paper. This is the letter in which he first introduced himself by the salutation “This is the Zodiac speaking.” It was written quickly in response to Vallejo Police Chief Jack Stiltz’s request in the newspapers for him to send more details in order to prove he was really the killer. He wrote the letter off the very day Stiltz’s request appeared in the papers.

After this he reverted back to Eaton marked paper. This makes that hasty letter a significant break in his pattern. The pattern suggests he did not live around the Bay Area but visited on business trips. He was not in a position to answer Stiltz’ request on his own stationary, so he bought paper at a local Woolworths. Robert Graysmith notes there was one not far from the San Francisco Chronicle.

I tend to lean towards these letters being from Z.

If any pre 1974 letter was a forgery, I would guess that the Pines card would be it. (Wasn’t there a rumor that a cop admitted to forging it?)
At the same time it seems to point to a Woman that has been missing for over 40 years….

One possible reason for the variation in stamps could be related to a theory quoted here:

I personally find it probable that The Zodiac did not live in the immediate Bay Area. His first set of letters, 3 sets in number, all near-identical, and all sent to rival Bay Area newspapers, introduced himself as the murderer of the Vallejo victims, David Faraday, Betty Lou Jensen and Darlene Ferrin. He used Eaton marked paper. His next letter, a very significant one, was written on Woolworth’s “Fifth Avenue” paper. This is the letter in which he first introduced himself by the salutation “This is the Zodiac speaking.” It was written quickly in response to Vallejo Police Chief Jack Stiltz’s request in the newspapers for him to send more details in order to prove he was really the killer. He wrote the letter off the very day Stiltz’s request appeared in the papers.

After this he reverted back to Eaton marked paper. This makes that hasty letter a significant break in his pattern. The pattern suggests he did not live around the Bay Area but visited on business trips. He was not in a position to answer Stiltz’ request on his own stationary, so he bought paper at a local Woolworths. Robert Graysmith notes there was one not far from the San Francisco Chronicle.

If I’m not mistaken, that was fairly expensive paper back then, correct?

That paper is fancy stationery, more expensive than regular paper, but not un-affordable.

After taking a look at the 10/12/70 card to Dr. Adams, I think it is safe to say the sender (whether one believes it is Zodiac or not) was the same person who wrote the:

10/5/70 – FK I’m Crackproof card "13"
10/12/70 – Card to Dr. Adams – "You are next"
10/27/70 – Halloween card "14"
3/22/71 – Pines card "12"
7/13/71 – In the Woods dies April "21"

Theforeigner pointing out the dates cut out of newspapers (the Chronicle) helped tie them together, as did the hole punching, the Apollo stamp, "Averly", but most of all–the cutting and pasting; including addresses to newspapers (FK & Pines) and comic book missives (HC card and FK card)

As most here know, I do not think these were the work of Zodiac. While I am more convinced now the Pines card was a reference to Donna (missing as of 9/6/70—"12" would have been just prior to the 10/5/70 card claiming "13)"…so that part jibes.

What doesn’t is the fact that Zodiac (in a letter NOT published which we all can agree was THE Zodiac) claimed "13" in July of 1970.

Does it make sense Zodiac killed (or sought out) victim "12" in September AFTER "13" was already accounted for in July?

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July, 1970 – Little List Letter – "13" – Never published

March 22, 1971 – Zodiac had claimed 12 on June 30th of 1970.

October 5, 1970 – FK card

October 27, 1970 – Halloween card

Sorry, but I am completely convinced this was the work of the best hoaxer who was out there at the time (out of hundreds) and hats off to him for pulling one over on so many of us (myself included) for such a long time. –Just my take of course.

I tend to agree, T.

There are immense problems with these cards/communications and the "victim tally" detail is not the least among them.

My ONE counterpoint is sketchy at best (and mentioned before): The phrase "by knife" used by the LB perpetrator was – as far as I can tell – never made public at the time. The same phrase is, as we know, used by whoever wrote the HC card.

It’s hardly a unique phrase, though.

Zodiac – the Zodiac whose characteristics we all pretend to know – was a pretty vocal guy. He wrote at length, relatively speaking, seemingly not worried at all about giving Morrill and others ample material for handwriting (printing) comparison. These cut n’ paste jobs with little or zero writing clearly belong in a different category. And I tend to think that is significant.

It has been suggested that one of the ’74 letters was a fake (Badslands or Exorcist) if true–which one? They are both damn good. But that is a whole other scenario for an whole other thread! lol

My ONE counterpoint is sketchy at best (and mentioned before): The phrase "by knife" used by the LB perpetrator was – as far as I can tell – never made public at the time. The same phrase is, as we know, used by whoever wrote the HC card.

Maybe we’ll find out the guy who was a psychiatric patient of Dr. Adams was 30 years old, about 6 ft. tall around 200 lbs. with dark, styled hair and had access to a light blue Chevy.

It has been suggested that one of the ’74 letters was a fake (Badslands or Exorcist) if true–which one?

Exorcist is legit, IMO. Not as confident in any of the others in ’74 though, Badlands included.

Thanks for this, Tahoe. I didn’t believe in the Pines card or the Donna Lass connection, but the Halloween card is so central to the Zodiac legend that I had never questioned it before.

Thanks for this, Tahoe. I didn’t believe in the Pines card or the Donna Lass connection, but the Halloween card is so central to the Zodiac legend that I had never questioned it before.

You’re welcome. I just laid it out there…others can come to their own conclusions, of course!

The "creepy" seems to take center stage and I think many don’t take a closer look at things because we are just on a "it is Zodiac" bandwagon…and it fits their agenda. I hope, at the very least, some REALLY pay attention (with an open mind) to this thread.

The cut and paste jobs should be tested for dna along with all others that have not to date!

This is an excellent thread which everyone should read imo.