They never showed the Stine eyewitnesses or Fouke Allen’s photo until years later. Both of them stated quite strenuously that there was no way Allen could have been the person who killed Stine. It’s hard to disguise yourself to be shorter and less massively big than you actually are, so that is out. I could also argue about the profiling not matching but not everyone agrees on a profile, LOL.

Mike

No search warrents had been applied for, let alone issued, prior to the 1991 search of Allen’s trailer. Would the Judge have issued the warrent without Ralph’s ‘evidence’?

The ’91 search was at Allen’s house (basement) on Fresno St., but Officer Armstrong of the SFPD did obtain a warrant to search Allen’s Santa Rosa trailer in ’72: http://zodiackiller.com/72Search1.html

I do wonder if Ralph’s comment was icing on the cake to get the later search warrant. I have a hard time believing a judge would take the word of a man who had been arrested for multiple burglaries (back in the early 70’s too) who was obvioulsy seeking less jail time.

I’d like to know what Ralph’s reasoning was (if asked) why he did not come forward with this info in 1969 when Zodiac said he would kill children.

I would say THIS is why Allen became a decent suspect: http://zodiackiller.com/AllenInformants1.html (thx zk.com)

Wow, T., four pages of guff, two years after the fact, and the "electric gunsight" features strongly.
Still, it was a start, I suppose.

I’d like to know what Ralph’s reasoning was (if asked) why he did not come forward with this info in 1969 when Zodiac said he would kill children.

The only possible reason that leaps to mind is fear that Allen would kill him – only once Spinelli was behind bars and out of Allen’s reach did he feel that he could speak freely.

I may be one of the few people who doesn’t think it unlikely that Allen boasted to Spinelli about being Zodiac.

Wow, T., four pages of guff, two years after the fact, and the "electric gunsight" features strongly.
Still, it was a start, I suppose.

I know…but, IF there were truth to what Don and friend were saying it would almost HAVE to be true (not that I think it was). So they did the appropriate thing, imo.

We also know Allen was mentioned in the VPD reports very early on. Was probably Don pointing the finger then too.

I’d like to know what Ralph’s reasoning was (if asked) why he did not come forward with this info in 1969 when Zodiac said he would kill children.

The only possible reason that leaps to mind is fear that Allen would kill him – only once Spinelli was behind bars and out of Allen’s reach did he feel that he could speak freely.

I may be one of the few people who doesn’t think it unlikely that Allen boasted to Spinelli about being Zodiac.

Yah…that wouldn’t surprise me. BUT, if Ralph took him seriously, (like he acts in the Fincher Documentary) I don’t see Ralph being scared or he probably would have hired him! lol Now Ralph would live in fear because he knows who Zodiac was!

Ralph was a criminal himself, with A LOT of family in Vallejo. Allen beat Ralph up in ’58.

I just don’t EVER, EVER see that happening…Allen seeking a job and working for Ralph. No way.

I’d like to know what Ralph’s reasoning was (if asked) why he did not come forward with this info in 1969 when Zodiac said he would kill children.

The only possible reason that leaps to mind is fear that Allen would kill him – only once Spinelli was behind bars and out of Allen’s reach did he feel that he could speak freely.

I may be one of the few people who doesn’t think it unlikely that Allen boasted to Spinelli about being Zodiac.

Yah…that wouldn’t surprise me. BUT, if Ralph took him seriously, (like he acts in the Fincher Documentary) I don’t see Ralph being scared or he probably would have hired him! lol Now Ralph would live in fear because he knows who Zodiac was!

Ralph was a criminal himself, with A LOT of family in Vallejo. Allen beat Ralph up in ’58.

I just don’t EVER, EVER see that happening…Allen seeking a job and working for Ralph. No way.

Hold on, so Allen beats the crap out of Ralph in 58, and then walks into place of business and asks him for a job? And are we to believe that Allen, who obviously knows Ralph would have a grudge against him for beating him up years before, then told Ralph "I’m going to do something big in San Francisco tomorrow"? I mean of all the people Allen could have let know that he was Zodiac, he picks the one person who is likely to have a grudge against him? Hmmm, Ok!

As for being surprised that a Judge would listen to anything Ralph had to say knowing his history and current situation, Ralph had seemingly realized this problem himself and…. Enter Mr Don Cheney, cooberates the testimony given by Ralphy.

Mike M did identify a picture of ALA as the shooter. According to the other site when he was asked why he did’t identify him earlier he said he was never shown a picture of this man.?????

Mike M did identify a picture of ALA as the shooter. According to the other site when he was asked why he did’t identify him earlier he said he was never shown a picture of this man.?????

That’s true. Mike said in his post assault interview his assailant was a man with light brown, wavy hair, youngish looking, and in his mid to late 20’s. Few years later…. "That’s him, that older looking bloke who is sporting a suspiciously bald and rather shiny head… That’s him! I’ll never forget the man’s face who shot me". Never forget a face does Mike. Hair? Different story. But never forgets a face!

Then in 2007, after Mr Mageau had picked out Arthur Leigh Allen as the shooter, because "Ill never forget that face" he reiterates, is now aske to give an interview for the upcoming Documentary that is being made to coincide with the 2007 big budget Hollywood movie "Zodiac’. Mike now has another memory come back, and when asked "Did Darlene say anything to the you about who the man in the car was?" He sad "No. Well, yes, as I recall. She said his name was Richard, as I can recall. I hink she said his name was Richard. She definitely called him Richard." (Absolutely nothing to do with this being the time now when the new pet suspect being touted was Richard Gaikowski). Mageau continued "I don’t recall him having glasses on, as I can recall. I think, I think he did have glasses on actually, I can recall. I recall he did have glasses on, as best I can recall, he definitely wore glasses I can recall"

Now far be it frm me to accuse Mike of deliberately lying or fabricating stories with malicious intent. The young lad was shot in the nexk, jaw, arms, legs etc, aswel as being powerless as he watched Darlene slowly die, must have been absolutely awful for him and the psychological damage that must have been inflicted during that 90 second or so period of his life must have been life changing. So, far from criticising Mike, I totally understand why he may have ‘invented’ other scenarios and events to block out what really happened in order to cope.

Not to forget about his Zodiac watch and the dead squirrels at his place..I’d say he could’ve been the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker..please don’t ask me why, just a feeling. Maybe one of his friends was the Z?

QT

QT, you help bring up an excellent point. It’s not too much of a stretch to think ALA may have been set up as a fall guy by The Z. whom may have worn Wing Walker shoes and took using The Z. from his watch in the same manner he took blame for other crimes.

from http://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/csabh/659.html
By Sylvie (Sylvie14) on Thursday, April 25, 2002 – 01:30 pm:
"The best ways to throw off investigators are often the simplest. Bruce Davis left a pair of glasses at Sharon Tate’s home, and many hours and much tax money was wasted on those things. Ted K used to pick up strands of hair at bus stations to drop in Unabomber letters. No doubt alot of time was squandered on that."

Not to forget about his Zodiac watch and the dead squirrels at his place..I’d say he could’ve been the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker..please don’t ask me why, just a feeling. Maybe one of his friends was the Z?

QT

QT, you help bring up an excellent point. It’s not too much of a stretch to think ALA may have been set up as a fall guy by The Z. whom may have worn Wing Walker shoes and took using The Z. from his watch in the same manner he took blame for other crimes.

from http://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/csabh/659.html
By Sylvie (Sylvie14) on Thursday, April 25, 2002 – 01:30 pm:
"The best ways to throw off investigators are often the simplest. Bruce Davis left a pair of glasses at Sharon Tate’s home, and many hours and much tax money was wasted on those things. Ted K used to pick up strands of hair at bus stations to drop in Unabomber letters. No doubt alot of time was squandered on that."

If someone set up ALA though…they did a lousy job. Nothing implicated him.

Not to forget about his Zodiac watch and the dead squirrels at his place..I’d say he could’ve been the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker..please don’t ask me why, just a feeling. Maybe one of his friends was the Z?

QT

QT, you help bring up an excellent point. It’s not too much of a stretch to think ALA may have been set up as a fall guy by The Z. whom may have worn Wing Walker shoes and took using The Z. from his watch in the same manner he took blame for other crimes.

from http://www.zodiackiller.com/mba/csabh/659.html
By Sylvie (Sylvie14) (spider-ta081.proxy.aol.com – 152.163.205.81) on Thursday, April 25, 2002 – 01:30 pm:
"The best ways to throw off investigators are often the simplest. Bruce Davis left a pair of glasses at Sharon Tate’s home, and many hours and much tax money was wasted on those things. Ted K used to pick up strands of hair at bus stations to drop in Unabomber letters. No doubt alot of time was squandered on that."

If someone set up ALA though…they did a lousy job. Nothing implicated him.

But the point was to simply get LE after him and, curiously, had a few too many people claiming he was The Z.

But the point was to simply get LE after him and, curiously, had a few too many people claiming he was The Z.

True. And it’s no wonder some of them were also considered. LE got DNA from Cheney. Cheney’s statements seemed too good to be true. I think that is why LE sometimes investigate (as suspects) citizen "helpers"…sometimes they just know too much.

hello,
Although I have my theories on my blog, I created theories around 2002, after DNA test that discards ALA also have no doubt that he was the Zodiac. However, at least for me, after what I thought, too many coincidences mathematical, contextual and circumstantial that point, so I have that he was connected to it.
I ask people who know more, there is possibility that Zodiac did not act alone?
There are theories about it?!
thank you

PS: I know the connection Mason, to me very unlikely.