Why would Graysmith just pull the Pacific Northwest out of thin air? That doesn’t even match with his POI: AlA. Surely, if he read the police reports, the reports published in the Chronicle, and talked to Bryan himself, Graysmith would know that Bryan never said Z said he was from the Pacific Northwest. Could he have seen a postmark of some letter, perhaps, that put him on that track? If only Graysmith would answer our questions.
Can you reference where he mentioned that? Thx.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Yikes, no. Sorry. I no longer have the library book. But it’s in there. The edition I read was Zodiac Unmasked Berkeley, 2002. I believe Graysmith attributes that nugget of info to Z’s talk with Bryan Hartnell (somewhere in the book. He mentions the Berryessa attack several times.)
Below is an excerpt from a site that seems to quote Graysmith’s book:
Hartnell continues to recount his story with grizzly detail.
"I want your money and your car keys," he said in a calm monotone. "I want your car to go to Mexico". Hartnell handed him the keys to his Volkswagen and all the change from his pockets. The man pocketed the coins and dropped the keys on the picnic blanket, then holstered his weapon. Hartnell made a vague offer of help to the man in order to escape injury, to which the man responded, "No. Time’s running short." The man then stated that he was an escaped convict from the Pacific Northwest, that he had killed a prison guard there, and that he had "a stolen car and nothing to lose. I’m flat broke."
Though the town mentioned by the killer is generally given as Deer Lodge, Montana, a reliable source reports that the state was not Montana but Colorado. An early interview with Hartnell has the badly wounded student saying that he can’t remember the exact name of the town, but that it "had some double name, like Fern Lock or something."
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread476670/pg1
Neither Colorado nor Montana is in the Pacific Northwest.
I don’t blame your confusion, gestr. That excerpt is a mess, IMO, and not just Graysmith’s account of it.
First of all, Z never mentioned the Pacific Northwest. I have to imagine that Graysmith is referring to Montana as being part of the Pacific Northwest. Parts of it (west of the Rockies) can be considered part of the Pacific NW but not the part at issue.
Anyway… it was Ranger Sgt. White’s statement that Z claimed to have escaped from Colorado but this was probably a misremberance of the content of Hartnell’s bedside interview in which Hartnell himself seems unable to recall what Z stated to him. He then has the name of "Deer Lodge" suggested to him by Det./Sgt. John Robertson of the Napa Co. Sheriff’s Dept., who himself couldn’t remember the exact name of the prison he was trying to suggest.
Best guess… Z probably referred to Deer Lodge Prison, which is in Montana, not Colorado and not part of the Pacific Northwest. 
Sounds like Graysmith was quoting Hartnell and if so, Hartnell being a college student might know better than us.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
"Why would Graysmith just pull the Pacific Northwest out of thin air?"
I haven’t got that far yet, I am still stuck on "How could Robert go on a live news segment and make the following statements:
"The Zodiac was a Cipher writing killer who used horoscopes to guide his methods." News to me, Robert!
Robert then starts discussing the long time No.1 suspect, Arthur Allen…
" Much attention was placed on the man who was the main suspect, the first suspect who knew all the victims, stalked them and had the skills and intelligence to write the letters and commit the crimes."
When I first saw the clip described above of Robert stating this on a live news broadcast I needed a bottle of oxygen to help me calm down and breath (lol). Not only did Arthur apparently know ALL the victims, but also took time to stalk them all over the Bay area. Proof of this Bobby?
Here’s the link to the clip of Robert discussing the case, or more accurately, making sh*t up about it, on the news: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csjSbA7iIEg
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
WTF? He actually DOES seem to believe himself, doesn’t he?
WTF? He actually DOES seem to believe himself, doesn’t he?
He may do. I can only assume that he knows that claims have been made that an unknown male was allegedly stalking Darlene in the weeks and months prior to her murder and so Robert decided that this mean’s it was not only most certainly The Zodiac stalking Darlene, but he must also have stalked David, Betty, Cecelia, Bryan, Mike and Paul also. Quite how you stalk a Cabbie mind is anyone’s guess because it’s not as if you can predict where a certain cab driver will be at any time of any day due to the obvious nature of their random fares lol.
Robert also says that not only was Arthur Leigh Allen intelligent and skilled enough to write the letters and ciphers, but he is, in fact, the ONLY one of the suspects that could do it! I shall assume he’s sat down personally with all 2,500 suspects, POI’s that have been named over the years. How does that work anyway? How does one discover if a certain individual has knowledge of Cipher Codes and how to create them? To eliminate people it must go something like this:
Rob G: "Rick Marshall you are a suspect in the Zodiac Killings, I demand you tell me the answer to my one question I have! Can you create Cipher Code???
Marshall: "No Robert, I can’t"
Rob G: "Ok then, that’s all I have, you are eliminated as a suspect"
:-/
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
Funnily enough, it just so happens that the D.C Sniper killings, for which the news report starts off by declaring as ‘Unsolved’, were occurring in October of 2002. Just so happens that Arthur Leigh Allen’s DNA was compared against the DNA thought to be that of Zodiac’s in…October of 2002. So my guess is that Robert has probably just days ago discovered that Along with Allen’s finger print & palm print, the DNA also came back as a non match and, as the news anchor states in her opening remarks regarding Robert, He’s the Author of ‘Zodiac’ & ‘Zodiac – Unmasked’, the latter of which he concludes that his character Bob Hall Starr, AKA Arthur Leigh Allen, was responsible for the series of Crimes known as the Zodiac Killings.
To me he’s just going into damage limitation mode in this interview knowing that he’s published a book ‘Zodiac – Unmasked’ and concludes Art Allen is Z, and now DNA has proven otherwise he’s reverting to anything, even out-rite lies, to try and salvage his credibility and reputation. Coming out and admitting he & his conclusion were wrong is out of the question, His book sales would plummet. So it seems as that when the physical evidence all points to Allen’s innocence, he’s got to try and make the case for Allen by other means, and if that’s deciding to come up with "Well, OK, the DNA didn’t match no, but…errrrrm, ahhh, yes, he knew every one of the victims! And not only did he know them, but stalked them relentlessly too!"
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
The idea that the Zodiac "used the horoscope" refers to Graysmith’s idea that the victims were killed on dates related to celestial events. It’s BS sure… but less so than the implication that he was killing people based on their astrology signs.
The idea that the Zodiac "used the horoscope" refers to Graysmith’s idea that the victims were killed on dates related to celestial events. It’s BS sure… but less so than the implication that he was killing people based on their astrology signs.
Don’t think Robert knows himself what he means 
Seems to me that Zodiac picked dates relating to real events when killing to help his agenda. He shot Dee & Mike on July 4, Independence day, close to midnight which is the one of only a handful of days in the year when you can guarantee firecrackers and celebrations will significantly lessen the immediate recognition of shots being fired from a gun. Cunning mind and thought process the man behind Zodiac must have been.
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
