Apparently some witness seen somebody running across Julius Kahn Playgroundon the night of the Stine murder. Does anyone know if this was ever confirmed, including who (witness) it was and where it fits in the timeframe?
As far as I know, this has never been confirmed. This FBI document has never been expleined…
Speculation is that the eight year old in question in the above doc. was one of the three ‘Teen’ witnesses. But that doesn’t seem likely because the Police report states "The reportee, together with two other witnesses ________, age 14 and _________, age 13…" So, the report doesn’t mention the age of the third witness and simply refers to him as ‘The Reportee’ aka the person who called 911.
The possibility of this eight year old being the third member of the three that witnessed and reported the crime is unlikely because the three are always refered to as the ‘Three Teen Witnesses’, and so an eight year old wouldn’t fit that description. Also, the three teens, as far as I am aware, are known to have been 14, 13 (as mentioned in the report), and the third aged 16.
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
I figured as much, I was just hoping that it might have came to light somewhere in recent times. It’s something I’ve always been suspicious about. i.e I wonder if the person (suspect) ever existed.
As far as I know, this has never been confirmed. This FBI document has never been expleined…
Speculation is that the eight year old in question in the above doc. was one of the three ‘Teen’ witnesses. But that doesn’t seem likely because the Police report states "The reportee, together with two other witnesses ________, age 14 and _________, age 13…" So, the report doesn’t mention the age of the third witness and simply refers to him as ‘The Reportee’ aka the person who called 911.
The possibility of this eight year old being the third member of the three that witnessed and reported the crime is unlikely because the three are always refered to as the ‘Three Teen Witnesses’, and so an eight year old wouldn’t fit that description. Also, the three teens, as far as I am aware, are known to have been 14, 13 (as mentioned in the report), and the third aged 16.
What seems important to me is the report suggests the child (whatever age) recognized the person either in a photo lineup or by personal knowledge and that person had a last name consisting of seven or nine letters.
When in doubt, don’t.
If there was a way in which we could determine if the man named in this document is deceased now, then privacy laws can be waved and we could send a FOI Request to the FBI asking for this man’s name to be made known to the public.
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
As far as I know, this has never been confirmed. This FBI document has never been expleined…
Speculation is that the eight year old in question in the above doc. was one of the three ‘Teen’ witnesses. But that doesn’t seem likely because the Police report states "The reportee, together with two other witnesses ________, age 14 and _________, age 13…" So, the report doesn’t mention the age of the third witness and simply refers to him as ‘The Reportee’ aka the person who called 911.
The possibility of this eight year old being the third member of the three that witnessed and reported the crime is unlikely because the three are always refered to as the ‘Three Teen Witnesses’, and so an eight year old wouldn’t fit that description. Also, the three teens, as far as I am aware, are known to have been 14, 13 (as mentioned in the report), and the third aged 16.
What seems important to me is the report suggests the child (whatever age) recognized the person either in a photo lineup or by personal knowledge and that person had a last name consisting of seven or nine letters.
I’d say six to seven..you can count them with the line above..
QT
*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*
As far as I know, this has never been confirmed. This FBI document has never been expleined…
Speculation is that the eight year old in question in the above doc. was one of the three ‘Teen’ witnesses. But that doesn’t seem likely because the Police report states "The reportee, together with two other witnesses ________, age 14 and _________, age 13…" So, the report doesn’t mention the age of the third witness and simply refers to him as ‘The Reportee’ aka the person who called 911.
The possibility of this eight year old being the third member of the three that witnessed and reported the crime is unlikely because the three are always refered to as the ‘Three Teen Witnesses’, and so an eight year old wouldn’t fit that description. Also, the three teens, as far as I am aware, are known to have been 14, 13 (as mentioned in the report), and the third aged 16.
What seems important to me is the report suggests the child (whatever age) recognized the person either in a photo lineup or by personal knowledge and that person had a last name consisting of seven or nine letters.
I’d say six to seven..you can count them with the line above..I like the idea of asking FBI about it. Is there any information about who had lived in this house at that time? SF phone book?
QT
*ZODIACHRONOLOGY*
QT, I don’t have access to any California cross-references directories. Sorry.
I did count the letters in the redacted name and I came up with seven-to-nine individual letters. You came up with six or seven. I guess we can go with seven. 
Whose name would fit?
When in doubt, don’t.
All the addresses with names of the residents in Presidio Heights. The first column is Washington Street, I forgot to mark that one.
From the 1969-70 San Francisco Polk’s Directory-
http://archive.org/search.php?query=pol … 0francisco
Thanks for posting Seagull.
I notice 2 different "Owen"s, and an Anthony Griffin—got me thinking of Raymond Griffin…the LB suspect who was out on leave from Napa State.
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Eh? I thought that Pellisetti’s report cleared up this issue pretty well. I haven’t read it in a while. Perhaps I should go back and read it again.
Whoever this Eight year old is, he obviously saw a suspect and gave a name and if he saw the suspect, theres a chance the suspect also saw the Eight year old. This could be the key to unlocking the whole case. This eight year old may very well be the inspiration for, and the direct target of, Zodiac’s statement of ‘School Children make nice targets’. People who see that threat as more than a random threat usually say it’s directed at the three who saw him at the cab and worked with Police to create the composite. But would Zodiac really refer to 14 and 15 year old high school students as ‘Children’, assuming that is, his threat was personal and directed at someone specific?
"So it’s sorta social. Demented and sad, but social, right?" Judd Nelson.
