In a similar thread at ZK, Tom Voigt said his sources told him there were items left at crime scenes and things sent into the police afterwards that have never been released to the public, and that LB was a definite Z crime.

It is perhaps even more puzzling if it is a Z crime than if it isn’t.

It is perhaps even more puzzling if it is a Z crime than if it isn’t.

Zodiac is a puzzling dude.

In a similar thread at ZK, Tom Voigt said his sources told him there were items left at crime scenes and things sent into the police afterwards that have never been released to the public, and that LB was a definite Z crime.

I’m one who has to see things with my own eyes. What things? What is "proof" it was Zodiac?

Now, had Paul been killed afterward, and Zodiac left Paul’s driver’s license…that would convince me.

Z communicates with his victims, unlike in the other couple attack for which there is a surviving witness. The rapidity of the other couple attack argues against extensive communication with the victims, and certainly against the kind of story telling he does at LB.

Actually, we don’t know how much communication he had with Faraday/Jansen or Stine. Just pointing that out.

In a similar thread at ZK, Tom Voigt said his sources told him there were items left at crime scenes and things sent into the police afterwards that have never been released to the public, and that LB was a definite Z crime.

I’m one who has to see things with my own eyes. What things? What is "proof" it was Zodiac?

Now, had Paul been killed afterward, and Zodiac left Paul’s driver’s license…that would convince me.

Hey Tahoe. Has it ever been determined that the condoms and dirty joke book found at LB belonged to Hartnell? I’ve asked about this here and at Tom’s site and the only answer I ever got was that they did belong to him, but it was from someone I’m not familiar with . I trust your knowledge of this case and wonder if you know.

It appears so. I’m thinking they were in his car as it was written about at the time his car was impounded.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … fullsize=1

Those items are not mentioned here, which is curious because they both mention the blanket and clothesline.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … play_media

There are apparently at least three confirmed Zodiac letters that have never been released to the public, including the DMV letter. I don’t know for sure but it wouldn’t surprise me if the DMV letter made reference to Berryessa, since Zodiac wrote his message on a vehicle.

In a similar thread at ZK, Tom Voigt said his sources told him there were items left at crime scenes and things sent into the police afterwards that have never been released to the public, and that LB was a definite Z crime.

I’m one who has to see things with my own eyes. What things? What is "proof" it was Zodiac?

Now, had Paul been killed afterward, and Zodiac left Paul’s driver’s license…that would convince me.

I’d like to see the proof myself, but I understand that police withhold details from the public and use them to authenticate confessions and communications.

That’s the trick with confidential sources. You get confirmation, but not evidence, so you have to trust the source. In the case of newspaper stories, the journalist knows the source and can make and decide if they trust them, but the newspaper reader can’t. The reader has to decide if they trust the reporter’s opinion of the source.

It appears so. I’m thinking they were in his car as it was written about at the time his car was impounded.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … fullsize=1

Those items are not mentioned here, which is curious because they both mention the blanket and clothesline.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/galler … play_media

But the police report says they were handed over by Ranger Dennis Land then locked in the police car and transported to the station. I recall Narlow being very upset they had gathered up the blanket and stuff before he got there because it destroyed the crime scene.

Anyway, the person who told me they belonged to Hartnell said Hartnell said they were his but didn’t want the police to release the information because he had a girlfriend. Anyone familiar with that? I’ve never seen it anywhere else.

The blanket mentioned I think we can safely assume was the one Bryan and Cecelia brought with them. The clothesline of course Zodiac brought. I’m not sure about the "army jacket" but I believe it was Harnell’s. I think he said something to Zodiac about his keys being in his jacket when Zodiac was wanting them.

The condoms and dirty joke book I’m not sure about though.

Quite easy to understand what the two had wanted to do..a person interested in Cecilia, e.g. from Riverside, certainly would have had problems with both, watching the scene as well as being recognized (hood).

QT

Quite easy to understand what the two had wanted to do..a person interested in Cecilia, e.g. from Riverside, certainly would have had problems with both, watching the scene as well as being recognized (hood)

QT

Yes, we can all assume that and probably be right, but it still doesn’t show that it in fact belonged to Harntell. That they found a "box" is something that has made me wonder. Why wouldn’t he, like every other male, just put some in his pocket?

Seems that it was only a package of three prophylactics and we don’t know if they had been packed in aluminium foil during that time..probably not that big, probably would fit in his army jacket somewhere. The jacket btw most likely wasn’t Zs as Z was seen by Cecilia in his costume already when approaching the scene (except the jacket was found somewhere else, e.g. behind the tree – that’d be different).

QT

Cecelia got a good look at him before he ever put the costume on. I’m pretty sure the jacket belonged to Hartnell, like I said, I believe he mentioned it, I only bring it up because it’s one of the items listed. I’m not trying to say any of the items belonged to Zodiac (except the clothesline), just trying to establish fact. I’ve never seen any fact establishing the condoms or book belonged to Hartnell.