Has anyone looked into a possible comparison between the type of car the creepy guy drove – a late model Chevrolet, as per the girls – and the tracks Z left above the crime scene? We know his tires were mismatched – but do the measurements as such (which I don’t have before me, but they’re pretty specific, IIRC) match a late model Chevrolet? Is it possible at all to say something meaningful about this?

I have no idea myself – just throwing it out there.

Just struck me again how strange that conversation between Bryan and the attacker is, as per the "reconstruction" in the report. I can’t get my head around it at all.

He shows up in a ceremonial outfit, bearing the infamous symbol, yet makes no reference to this – just goes on about being an escaped convict, as though it’s perfectly normal for someone in that situation (being headed for Mexico, as he says) to roam around dressed like a cartoon character…I just don’t get it.

Then he’s partly nervous (hands trembling) and partly completely relaxed (the way he shows Bryan that the gun is loaded, the way he laughs – explicitly referred to as "very relaxed" by Bryan)…again, it’s just bizarre, the whole episode. And very hard to judge in any way or direction.

Those images could be representing the same person but tbh if they are they do so woefully and as such very unreliably. We could interpret the hell out them but unfortunately that is what we would have to do if we were going to point out features as being a basis of possible proof.

Lack of glasses, different hairline notwithstanding (I know these things can be ‘explained’ … apparently) the unreliable differences in the two images make it almost impossible to even hypothesize let alone come to a reasonable conclusion. IMHO.

Here’s what we’re dealing with here. Eyes at completely different levels compared to ears. Eyebrows at completely different levels compared to eyes. Eye shapes completely different compared to each other. I’m not going to get into ‘the chin’. For me those problems make this very iffy ground indeed if attempting to compare the two composites and as if that wasn’t enough I don’t think the proportions on the Stine composite are entirely reliable either.

Maybe the initial dispatch for PH was right lol.

Maybe the initial dispatch for PH was right lol.

The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that Z was a butch looking black woman. Quite likely with a great, if somewhat sinister, sense of humor.

Seriously, though – I agree: The sketches could represent the same man, but then again they could represent two completely different men – and if they do represent the same man, the two artists clearly came from two very different schools of composite drawing. And neither sketch is anatomically correct for my money.

Yes, the people who did the two composites were from two very different schools. The SF composite was done by a trained artist, Morales who worked as a sketch artist for the SFPD. The LB sketch was done with the aid of an Identi-Kit by Robert McKenzie who worked for the Napa Register. Scroll the picture down for the caption.

They were observed by two witnesses (who knew Hartnell) going south on Knoxville Rd (approx. one mile south of the Lake Berryessa Marina) at around 5:15 PM. Bryan waved to them as he drove by. I read that just yesterday, as it happens, looking for something else.

Strikes me now that I’m not clear on precisely when they left for LB, whether they stopped anywhere else, or precisely when they arrived at "Zodiac Island". I don’t recall it being brought up in the interviews with Bryan either – but I could be wrong about that.

Have to read the reports – yet again. Could be that he simply didn’t remember exactly when they left/arrived.

The police report has a list of what evidence was gathered on a couple of pages-

http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport17.html and the following page.

Items #4 and #5 that have been redacted are reported to be condoms.

Additionally, there was a picture in the Napa Register of a box of evidence that was taken from the crime scene. Not the best picture but it does give you an idea of the amount of things that were collected.

Yep, that would be all the items mentioned. No indication they brought any food or drink.

They left St Helena around 2PM – or rather, that’s when they were last seen by witnesses. Were then observed around 5:15 at LB, roughly a mile south of the marina (how far is this from Zodiac Island, btw? I mean, time wise, not as the crow flies?)

It’s a bit puzzling that we don’t know these details – IF we don’t know them, that is – because surely BH must remember roughly what they did prior to arriving at the crime scene. Isn’t this mentioned anywhere? In later interviews, perhaps? I can’t remember at the moment and I don’t have said interviews ready at hand.

Hartnell Interview

http://www.zodiackiller.com/HartnellInterview1.html

Thanks, but I meant the later, Fincher era interviews.

The hospital interviews don’t seem to include any details beyond deciding to go to LB (because it was too late to go to SF).

The question would be what they did between 2 PM and 5.15 PM – exactly. Seems they can’t have headed straight for LB.

When you read the interview, you get the impression they went straight from St Helena (after having dropped off their friends) to LB (that is, to Zodiac Island), but that doesn’t seem to fit. It doesn’t take more than three hours to drive from SH to LB (one mile south of the marina), surely?

EDIT They clearly spent some time looking for a place – some place Bryan had been to before – at the lake. Then decided to just park anywhere – which turned out to be (above) Z Island. Question is how much time was spent driving around looking for this other place.

Also in Napa’s evidence is a Charlie Brown greeting card with a handwritten message in it, not sure if it was taken from the crime scene or not, there’s a thread about it. It supposedly was written by long time zodiac Suspect, Glenn Albertson

Cecilia Shepard, could not see him because of his mask.

Cecilia Shepard *DID* see him without his mask, pretty clearly by some accounts, and gave no indication whatsoever that she knew the man. Not before the attack, not during it, and not afterward.

Any source for that?

QT