Re: descise

If you actually look entirle different (or even slightly different) when you do your thing – why admit it?

Re: descise

If you actually look entirle different (or even slightly different) when you do your thing – why admit it?

Good point

Just my thoughts Tahoe. I just don’t see why he would lie. All he gets is embarrassment and shame. No accolades or limelight. And as far as her description copying Brian ‘ s , if they’re seeing the same guy it should.

If the man did wear regular glasses – why did he attach the clip-ons to the fabric of the hood?

Would this have been preferable to simply attaching them to his regular glasses – which is what you normally do?

Genuine question. Perhaps there’s some logic to it.

If the man did wear regular glasses – why did he attach the clip-ons to the fabric of the hood?

Would this have been preferable to simply attaching them to his regular glasses – which is what you normally do?

Genuine question. Perhaps there’s some logic to it.

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Just my thoughts Tahoe. I just don’t see why he would lie. All he gets is embarrassment and shame. No accolades or limelight. And as far as her description copying Brian ‘ s , if they’re seeing the same guy it should.

He did though. He made stuff up that didn’t happen. It’s in his own words. I don’t mind your thoughts. But if one believes Collins and that Cecelia was the one behind the composite, then she did not describe a man with glasses.

How does that work for people who believe Collins?

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EDIT: Just to add. Collins had two choices in how to respond to that question from the interviewer.

1) He made it all up
2) He didn’t think it was important.

What else is there to say? I can see why he would choose the latter, but if he went to such extent with Cecelia–why if it didn’t matter?

When I was talking about the report being like Bryan’s I was talking about the questioning approach. "I’m this tall, how tall do you think he was"….yes, could be simple cop tactics, but when you consider all the other bs….just something too convenient about it, imo.

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Well…yes!

But the question is why attach your shades to the fabric (which is what Z did – Bryan noticed this, he made special note of it) and not to your glasses? If he had glasses, why not attach the shades to the glasses? Seems like a simpler solution.

On the other hand, if he didn’t have any glasses – then he had to attach his shades to the fabric.

To block sun

Well…yes!

But the question is why attach your shades to the fabric (which is what Z did – Bryan noticed this, he made special note of it) and not to your glasses? If he had glasses, why not attach the shades to the glasses? Seems like a simpler solution.

On the other hand, if he didn’t have any glasses – then he had to attach his shades to the fabric.

The only explanation I can think of for this is that perhaps Zodiac realized that parts of his face could be seen through the eye holes, or maybe it was one wide horizontal eye hole, and he thought if he could more or less block that hole but still see out of the hood there would be less of a chance of the victims seeing very much of his face. Total speculation.

Taking BH’s and CS’s statements at face value, they’re actually describing two different things.

BH: Clip-ons attached to fabric. Pretty sure there were no regular glasses behind the shades.

CS: Attacker wore glasses with clip-ons.

CS never says anything about the man wearing regular glasses in addition to clip-ons (which were attached to the fabric). According to her the clip-ons were attached in the normal fashion, i.e. directly to the regular glasses.

Well – the above simply can’t be true, unless we decide that BH was completely mistaken.

The only explanation I can think of for this is that perhaps Zodiac realized that parts of his face could be seen through the eye holes, or maybe it was one wide horizontal eye hole, and he thought if he could more or less block that hole but still see out of the hood there would be less of a chance of the victims seeing very much of his face. Total speculation.

Yes – that’s a possibility.

Perhaps the eye slit was large enough to afford a view, from certain angles, inside the hood. Attaching the clip-ons in that way would make sense if that was the case.

Re: descise

If you actually look entirle different (or even slightly different) when you do your thing – why admit it?

Because narcissists such as the Zodiac can’t help but boast their brilliance and illustrate how the other person is totally, spectacularly wrong.

The whole letter was basically "you’re so dumb, I’m so smart, nyah-nyah-boo-boo!".

Very childish, which indicates a stunted maturity and probably an absent father.

To block sun

Well…yes!

But the question is why attach your shades to the fabric (which is what Z did – Bryan noticed this, he made special note of it) and not to your glasses? If he had glasses, why not attach the shades to the glasses? Seems like a simpler solution.

On the other hand, if he didn’t have any glasses – then he had to attach his shades to the fabric.

Kind of hard to connect them to your glasses with a hood separating the clip-ons & glasses underneath the hood. Think of it this way, you put clip-ons over your glasses, then place the hood over your head. Maybe the eye holes would be hard to line up, with the actual lenses, awkward,etc. Maybe the clip-ons guaranteed a clear eye hole opening?

But the question is why attach your shades to the fabric (which is what Z did – Bryan noticed this, he made special note of it) and not to your glasses? If he had glasses, why not attach the shades to the glasses? Seems like a simpler solution.

If you were wearing glasses, under a hood like that, while trying to hide your identity and maintain an executioner’s wall between you and your victims, you would not want to clip your sunglasses to your eyeglasses. Why? Because the hood is not going to remain situated as snug to your head as a motorcycle helmet, which means if you turn your head, the hood would not maintain its proper alignment. You’d be looking at the inside of the hood while wearing sunglasses, which would be even more uncomfortable and disorienting. You would also expose more of your identity to the outside world than you would likely desire. In addition, you’d make a mess of the entire costume as the eyeglasses and attached sunglasses would snag on the hood. Certainly an irritating, distracting mess.

I’m sure the Zodiac experimented with this getup before LB. I’m sure he tried it on, stood in the mirror, took a good look at himself to determine not only what configuration presented the most disconcerting and well-constructed image, but also what configuration was the most functional for the man inside the suit.

Attaching the sunglasses to the eyeglasses just wouldn’t have worked as well as the alternative.

Remember: the glasses would be part of your vision, the sunglasses part of your disguise. You would want to keep them as separate as possible.

Seriously, people here should try the experiment. Get some glasses, some clip-ons, make a little cloth hood with a square top, and see what works best for you. I’ll bet you arrive at the above conclusion.

A Jroberson, I agree 100% with your conclusion, just would not be practical or comfortable to attach the clip ons to your glasses, and then put the hood over top of your head, and I fully believe Z had glasses on underneath

Well, I agree that we can agree on the first part. As for the second, it seems we have contradicting statements: Hartnell kind of says one thing, Collins claims Shepard said another.

Since none of us were there, it all comes down to which witness each of us thinks is more credible, and why.