Agreed. Plenty of red flags re the Riverside crime. But if we’re ever going to solve the case(s) we need to rein in the wild speculation. The ‘wow you put glasses on him and he looks just like the composite’ type stuff. We need to keep it within the framework of fact. Now if you place this guy in the Bay Area during dates of Zodiac activity, it’s a different ballgame.

Agreed. Plenty of red flags re the Riverside crime. But if we’re ever going to solve the case(s) we need to rein in the wild speculation. The ‘wow you put glasses on him and he looks just like the composite’ type stuff. We need to keep it within the framework of fact. Now if you place this guy in the Bay Area during dates of Zodiac activity, it’s a different ballgame.

I agree. The fact is, law enforcement strongly suspects that Bates was a Zodiac murder, so if you view Kelley as a credible suspect you logically have to look at him for Zodiac. This simply adds him to the list of countless POIs considered by LE and this forum.

That said, I doubt there are many Zodiac suspects who are sexual predator and military veteran cops in the same vein as the Golden State Killer.

Right, not too concerned at this point with what LE does or doesn’t suspect as being connected – since they haven’t caught anyone in either case in half a century.

The point is not to jump ahead. If this guy’s worth looking at for the Riverside crime, let’s try to make it happen. We need to keep it simple. The forum is full of overblown and irrational suspects and theories, which only water down the case.

https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne … ion-letter

11/16/2017 07:18:03 pm
You guys ever hear of Bud Kelley as a CJB suspect? He was one of the cops in charge of her murder investigation. He went away to prison for life a few years ago for child abuse. Tom Voigt put up a podcast on his website a few days ago saying Kelley is his number 1 suspect. Said he had talked to the guy years ago and describes him as a really vile, nasty man. Kelley, he says, was stuck on Bob Barnett to draw attention away from himself.

Thanks for this link. One more red flag would certainly be the guy reportedly calling up someone (Tom Voigt?) during a TV documentary upset that the show tied the Zodiac to the Riverside crime.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/BatesDNA2.html
Tom Voight states, [The following information was] "revealed to me in confidence on Sept. 10, 1999. My source wished to remain anonymous."
…
– "At about 9:30 o’clock the night of the murder, a female student passed a man standing in the alley where Cheri would be attacked just minutes later. Although they didn’t know each other, the female student and unknown male said "hi" to each other. The stranger was standing in the shadows. It was later determined that from his vantage point he could have easily watched Cheri’s VW Bug while she was in the library."

It is hard to imagine an 18 year old girl, walking alone in the dark, comfortably greeting a man imposingly lurking in the shadows. Unless of course he was in police uniform so thus seemed trustworthy.

Had the man who was waiting in shadows been a uniformed cop, surely the student would have noticed this, and said so.

Had the man who was waiting in shadows been a uniformed cop, surely the student would have noticed this, and said so.

Agreed. But if he was in street clothes and CJ knew he was a police officer I could see her trusting him. If she didn’t know him and know he was a police man showing her a badge could also earn her trust.

Good point, CC. Also, I understand that the "man in the shadows" wore a beard. If so, would that disqualify him from being a cop in 1966?

Good point, CC. Also, I understand that the "man in the shadows" wore a beard. If so, would that disqualify him from being a cop in 1966?

I believe the bearded man lead first came up during the library recreation. He may not have actually existed.

Good point, CC. Also, I understand that the "man in the shadows" wore a beard. If so, would that disqualify him from being a cop in 1966?

I believe the bearded man lead first came up during the library recreation. He may not have actually existed.

I believe the bearded man was a library patron, not the guy standing in the shadows.

Good point, CC. Also, I understand that the "man in the shadows" wore a beard. If so, would that disqualify him from being a cop in 1966?

I believe the bearded man lead first came up during the library recreation. He may not have actually existed.

I believe the bearded man was a library patron, not the guy standing in the shadows.

There is no proof the "man in the shadows" is Cheri’s assailant.

There is no proof the "man in the shadows" is Cheri’s assailant.

I didn’t say there was.

TV is aware (PM) of the question post. He didn’t reply to the post. Don’t know why. Maybe he’s checking his records.
FYI , if the source of TV’s information for that particular paragraph (about ‘the man in the shadows’) is now in prison,
perhaps TV may feel less restrained about relating any additional info TV may have regarding the ‘female student’ who
saw ‘the man in the shadows’. Specifically, whether the female student was in CJB’s year or was senior – identity type
information.
The ‘female student’ would be more than 85 [EDIT; CORRECTION ~ 70] years old, if death or dementia hasn’t claimed her.
Interviewing her and showing her a group of suspect’s pictures, would be the desired outcome here.
[Thanks, Xcaliber]

That old?