More info on the boot heel print:
On cars in those days, how did they pop the hood? Did you need access to the inside of the car?
2) Her killer had to have known her, didn’t he? Otherwise, how would he know the car?
How many guys likely knew Cheri Jo Bates, wrote poetry and had an interest in codes? Oh, and had reason to be in the RCC library?
How many guys likely knew Cheri Jo Bates, wrote poetry and had an interest in codes? Oh, and had reason to be in the RCC library?
Tons of guys knew Cheri jo, she was described as being gregarious and friendly, and it is said that she was fairly popular, but still, reviewing guys who knew Cheri would be a good place to start looking for potential suspects.
There is no evidence that the killer was in the library on the night Cheri jo was killed.
…though the desk with the poem in storage might indicate that the killer had personally stored the desk top, meaning that he would have had access to library storage, however, there are other ways that the poem could have ended up in storage.
Interesting stuff though.
My main focus has been blue rock springs, and I wish I knew the Cheri jo case better…
On cars in those days, how did they pop the hood? Did you need access to the inside of the car?
2) Her killer had to have known her, didn’t he? Otherwise, how would he know the car?
It was a Volkswagen Beetle, it had a handle and button on the trunk/hood to open from the outside.
It’s thought Cheri Jo knew him since it is believed she willingly left with him and walked to the area she was killed.
How many guys likely knew Cheri Jo Bates, wrote poetry and had an interest in codes? Oh, and had reason to be in the RCC library?
Tons of guys knew Cheri jo, she was described as being gregarious and friendly, and it is said that she was fairly popular, but still, reviewing guys who knew Cheri would be a good place to start looking for potential suspects.
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That’s one reason Ross is such a prime suspect. He worked at the library, though I don’t believe he was on the job the night of Cheri Jo’s murder, but it is also said her good friend married Ross’s brother and both she and Ross were at the weddding. I do not know if that is true however. If it is, she would have known Ross and probably trusted him enough to walk down the alleyway with him that night.
On cars in those days, how did they pop the hood? Did you need access to the inside of the car?
2) Her killer had to have known her, didn’t he? Otherwise, how would he know the car?
It was a Volkswagen Beetle, it had a handle and button on the trunk/hood to open from the outside.
It’s thought Cheri Jo knew him since it is believed she willingly left with him and walked to the area she was killed.
Cheri Jo’s VW was an older model (1960) it had the "T" handle type latch on the engine lid that you twist to unlatch the hood.
VW had an optional locking "T" handle but most were not lockable so it would have been easy for anyone to access Cheri’s engine.
Cheri’s large tote bag purse was under her body in the crime scene photo and apparently there were no signs of a struggle in the
dirt of the driveway up to the point where she was attacked so it seems she was not under duress until she got to the spot where
she was attacked, so it would seem she had some degree of trust in the person she was with.
More investigation of the bank where she worked, the church she attended and any other places she frequented where she and her car would be known should have been done imo.
Well, let’s do a ballpark statistical thinking exercise. IIRC, they asked for an alibi from every guy who was mentioned in her diary and that was about 80 men.
So what percentage of men write poetry/wrote poetry at that time? It used to be in the 1990s, 20 percent of people read some poetry within the last 12 month time period. So that’s 16. Figure half of those who read poetry write poetry, which is probably high, honestly, and you’re down to 8. And Zodiac, as I said elsewhere, wasn’t a bad poet. He’s doing more than rhyming chance, dance and romance. And Ross was able to publish even if it was just a campus publication.
So we’re already down to a small handful. and we’re not even at codemaking yet.
On cars in those days, how did they pop the hood? Did you need access to the inside of the car?
2) Her killer had to have known her, didn’t he? Otherwise, how would he know the car?
It’s thought Cheri Jo knew him since it is believed she willingly left with him and walked to the area she was killed.
I figured this as well, as most young women would not be to eager to wonder off alone with a total stranger.
However, I also feel that most killers are highly manipulative and deceptive individuals, most are well liked socially and are not suspected of being violent or unstable. These aspects are key for these killers, for if everyone were afraid of you, or suspected you of being dangerous, you would never be afforded an opportunity to attack. If this was the case the killer could have simply seemed like a "nice" or "safe" individual, thus gaining Cheri Jo’s confidence, leading her to leave with him.
…or, which seems most likely to me, Cheri jo knew her killer.
I still think there was another female present….i also think the desktop poem was written be a female..just some thoughts i have tossed around at various times
The bug was bought by cjb dad at X’s dealership or thru some associate of X…yea it gets weird
I still think there was another female present….i also think the desktop poem was written be a female..just some thoughts i have tossed around at various times
The bug was bought by cjb dad at X’s dealership or thru some associate of X…yea it gets weird
The photo of Cheri Jo’s car has a license plate frame that reads "CARL PEEL" so I looked it up in my 1966 Riverside phone book
and there is a listing for Carl Peel used cars at 3216 Market St. This is located a little more than a mile north of the crime scene
at Riverside City College.
Where did you hear about Cheri Jo’s dad buying the car for her at X’s dealership ?
Mike R had traced it back if i remember correctly…i seem to remember a weird connection involving the bug
I went back and did some checking..the bug did filter thru X’S dealership network as did hartnels karmen ghia…more weird stuff is ala claimed to have been in riverside weekend of her murder..ala was also known to own an austin healy…x was also reported to be in riverside same weekend as ala..no way to ever verify most likely but still interesting stuff….as good as TK is in regards to poi i have never heard anybody ever claim any connection to riverside that would be even remotly plausible …that leaves ross, aka and x with at least some connection with ross being a no brainer….
I still think there was another female present….i also think the desktop poem was written be a female..just some thoughts i have tossed around at various times
The bug was bought by cjb dad at X’s dealership or thru some associate of X…yea it gets weird
Interesting.
Why do you feel another female was present?
I think I remember library staff claiming that cheri was alone on the night she was murdered, but could be very wrong.
I have always looked at the handwriting as male, I mean the letters are rounded rather than jagged, Which some might see as an indication of a females hand writing, however, other aspects come off as being "male like" including the subject matter…but this is just my humble opinion, And doesn’t mean much.
You know what’s funny? In a police report richard Hoffman spells "til" as "till", and the poem misspelled "til" as "till" and the poem is also signed "RH" …richard Hoffman?
You know what’s funny? In a police report richard Hoffman spells "til" as "till"
You do know that the officers did not type up those reports? They gave their notes to secretaries who then used them to type up the reports.
