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One step back: Was CJB victim of a serial killer?

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(@endoftheworld)
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Yeah, it doesn’t look like a Zodiac killing. Why, just because of a poem on the desk and letters? Z attacked couples making out, primarily, which jibes with Kaczinski’s rage (expressed in his journal) about promiscuous young people. Also as mentioned above, it looks like she knew the perpetrator because of the time line.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 2:05 am
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Well, Ted purportedly hid in a female coworker’s car, with the intention of attacking her with a knife. He bailed when she came back much later than expected. That might surprise people who just regard him as some kind of radical Luddite.

And Ted hated all kinds of people, not just young couples: "Bigshots," liberals, intellectuals, scientists, authority figures, etc., etc. AK Wilks has written exhaustively on the topic of Ted’s pet hates.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 3:24 am
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that’s the first I heard of Kaczinski hiding in co-worker’s car with intent to kill. But Zodiac, WHOEVER he was, had no confirmed kills of a lone female.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 4:44 am
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that’s the first I heard of Kaczinski hiding in co-worker’s car with intent to kill. But Zodiac, WHOEVER he was, had no confirmed kills of a lone female.

But in two out of three couple attacks, Z killed the female but not the male.

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 10:19 am
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that’s the first I heard of Kaczinski hiding in co-worker’s car with intent to kill. But Zodiac, WHOEVER he was, had no confirmed kills of a lone female.

But in two out of three couple attacks, Z killed the female but not the male.

Not without trying. ;)


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : December 6, 2015 8:20 pm
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that’s the first I heard of Kaczinski hiding in co-worker’s car with intent to kill. But Zodiac, WHOEVER he was, had no confirmed kills of a lone female.

But in two out of three couple attacks, Z killed the female but not the male.

Not without trying. ;)

True…. but a bullet in Mike’s forehead or a knife drawn across Bryan’s throat would’ve made sure. He had plenty of time.

 
Posted : December 7, 2015 4:09 am
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He was on a learning curve.

 
Posted : December 7, 2015 4:33 am
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true, he disabled the male and then killed the female. Still, in his known attacks that he took credit for, he never attacked a lone female and never in southern CA.

 
Posted : December 7, 2015 5:06 am
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But in two out of three couple attacks, Z killed the female but not the male.

Not without trying. ;)

True…. but a bullet in Mike’s forehead or a knife drawn across Bryan’s throat would’ve made sure. He had plenty of time.

Both women were actually alive for a bit too–Cecelia for much longer of course. A bullet to the head or a knife across the throat would have made sure with them too. ;)


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : December 7, 2015 8:42 pm
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for whatever reason Zodiac didn’t do a thorough job of killing the males or the females. Actually this indicates inexperience maybe in killing (pointing toward a non combat veteran, non hunter like Kaczinski) or maybe he just got antsy and wanted to make his getaway.

 
Posted : December 8, 2015 4:45 am
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All his attacks (as far as we can tell from the available evidence) were hurried and arguably sloppy (for lack of a better word). This partly goes with the territory (he usually attacked within a small window of opportunity and had to act quickly), but it also supports the idea that killing people wasn’t his true raison d’ etre: It was the notoriety he gained from his attacks which truly got him off. The murders themselves were preludes.

This obviously doesn’t amount to saying he disliked killing (that would be absurd), but the nature of the attacks doesn’t seem to fit the profile of someone who greatly enjoyed the killing part for its own sake.

To me, at least, it seems that if Z had targeted females specifically in the sense usually implied by this, he would have acted differently. There is nothing which indicates that it was anything but a coincidence that Mageau and Hartnell survived. In the former case, he even went back to the car on hearing MM groan – to fire more rounds at him.

It’s reasonable to think that it wasn’t pure happenstance that Z attacked couples (and that there may be a psychological or pathological explanation for this) given that three out of four attacks were directed at couples – but I see little reason to assume he placed a particular importance on the females. The evidence doesn’t seem to support it.

 
Posted : December 8, 2015 10:53 pm
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I think he was more interested in finding a safe area in which to kill–such as a Lover’s Lane. In fact, particularly a Lover’s Lane.

 
Posted : December 8, 2015 11:25 pm
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