Here is a better pic:
It might actually read "victon"
http://www.pe.com/wp-content/uploads/mi … .jpg?w=620
*The address on the envelope is the same manner as Z, only name the newspaper with no street number.
Here is a better pic:
It might actually read "victon"
http://www.pe.com/wp-content/uploads/mi … .jpg?w=620
*The address on the envelope is the same manner as Z, only name the newspaper with no street number.
Love these clearer versions, you can also see on the envelope the big,bold theatrical looking dotted i’s that Zodiac has used.
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I think that is just a really blurred copy. Here is the original…all of which should be the same if they are some type of (carbon) copy.
That’s not the original. It’s a transcription. And an incorrect one at that.
The original is in the FBI file, which is also the one in the pic provided by Paul_A.
But I disagree with Paul re copies/versions… the carbon copies were used to mask the typewriter, but carbon copies of the same letter were mailed to the recipients.
My bad–it’s been used so many times here to show similarities…I threw it out there. With the DOJ’s messed up version (they left out the part where he choked her and her lips twiched–which we know was in there), it’s hard to tell.
I wonder why he didn’t use a typewriter for the envelope and why he would never use a typewriter again.
I have never argued Zodiac may have written some of the communiques…I have questioned them…it’s what I do. 
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
Tahoe: Z’s use of a typewriter was confined to the Bates murder. IMO, he was afraid his natural handwriting/printing might be discovered by LE, most likely, IMO, among term papers, etc. written by RCC students. By the time he resumed, in northern CA, his murderous activities, RPD had fixated on Bill Bennett as its prime suspect. Interest in the Bates murderer’s ‘handwriting/printing was nil, particularly in Riverside.
Here is a better pic:
It might actually read "victon"
http://www.pe.com/wp-content/uploads/mi … .jpg?w=620
*The address on the envelope is the same manner as Z, only name the newspaper with no street number.
This completely changes my opinion on Zodiac being involved in Riverside. To my eyes you were right the first time; "I am stalking your girls now", the O is exactly the same as victOm near the top. Fantastic post!
Here is a better pic:
It might actually read "victon"
http://www.pe.com/wp-content/uploads/mi … .jpg?w=620
*The address on the envelope is the same manner as Z, only name the newspaper with no street number.
This completely changes my opinion on Zodiac being involved in Riverside. To my eyes you were right the first time; "I am stalking your girls now", the O is exactly the same as victOm near the top. Fantastic post!
Hallelujah !
Here is a better pic:
It might actually read "victon"
http://www.pe.com/wp-content/uploads/mi … .jpg?w=620
*The address on the envelope is the same manner as Z, only name the newspaper with no street number.
This completely changes my opinion on Zodiac being involved in Riverside. To my eyes you were right the first time; "I am stalking your girls now", the O is exactly the same as victOm near the top. Fantastic post!
Hallelujah !
I am sorry. I’ll climb out of your private treehouse.
The confession letter By____________ underline contains 12 characters.
This is similar to the My Name cipher of 13 characters.
mildlycerous, I didn’t mean any offence, I just meant WELL STATED !
With all of the Z traits in the Bates case writings I just don’t understand how so many believe it’s impossible for Z to have had
anything to do with it.
mildlycerous, I didn’t mean any offence, I just meant WELL STATED !
With all of the Z traits in the Bates case writings I just don’t understand how so many believe it’s impossible for Z to have had
anything to do with it.
And the funny thing is, with all the doubters that think Zodiac wasn’t involved in the Bates writing, I have yet to hear a single one lay out a case for why they are doubters.
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Four months had passed since Avery’s article when Zodiac finally wrote of his Riverside Activities. Four years after the crime he knew how cold the investigation was, but also that they did have a print. If he was involved I think his admission should cast doubt on the usefulness of the VW print and the notion of a local killer.
mildlycerous, I didn’t mean any offence, I just meant WELL STATED !
With all of the Z traits in the Bates case writings I just don’t understand how so many believe it’s impossible for Z to have had
anything to do with it.And the funny thing is, with all the doubters that think Zodiac wasn’t involved in the Bates writing, I have yet to hear a single one lay out a case for why they are doubters.
Huh??
“…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep.“ L.A. Times, 1969
mildlycerous, I didn’t mean any offence, I just meant WELL STATED !
With all of the Z traits in the Bates case writings I just don’t understand how so many believe it’s impossible for Z to have had
anything to do with it.And the funny thing is, with all the doubters that think Zodiac wasn’t involved in the Bates writing, I have yet to hear a single one lay out a case for why they are doubters.
The doubters generally all fall into one of the following 3 categories.
1) They are new, or inexperienced with the evidence of the case.
This is the most common. They simply have not dug deeply into the evidence.
2) They are promoting a questionable suspect who has no ties to Riverside.
Everyone who comes out with a suspect always attempts to link the suspect to Riverside.
Once they fail, just like magic they start to doubt the Riverside connection.
3) They are promoting a contrived theory about the case.
These are your Team Z, Hoax and Copycat theorists.
They will argue that a convoluted theory is more probable than a simple connection supported by evidence.
There is a number 4), some people just don’t believe a connection with no agenda.
1] If anybody, including Sherwood Morrill, can honestly look at the block letter scrawling on the Bates letters and connect that to Zodiac, then they have better eyesight than me.
2] The wording and phrases Mike highlighted earlier in the thread are very good observations, but we have to remember the Zodiac letters were written 2+ years after the Confession letter, so could easily have drawn inspiration from it.
3] Zodiac quoted the Mikado from 1885, Richard Connell’s 1924 short story-The Most Dangerous Game and more importantly stole phrases from William Heirens, the Lipstick Killer (1945/46), and placed them in the Melvin Belli letter on December 20th 1969. Unless we are claiming Zodiac wrote the message on the wall at the murder of Frances Brown on December 10th 1945. Why is it so hard to believe a well read Zodiac simply didn’t incorporate phrases from the Confession letter in similar fashion, in the Little List letter 7 months after the Belli letter. Zodiac often borrowed phrases and words from yesteryear material. I have constantly flipped between Riverside being a Zodiac crime, but it’s certainly not as clear cut as you are portraying. If Zodiac can steal phrases from Chicago 1945, he can steal phrases from Riverside 1966.
For heavens
Sake catch me
Before I kill more
I cannot control myself
The Zodiac Killer wrote (edited)
I will loose all controol of myself
Please help me
I can not remain in control for much longer
There is a number 4), some people just don’t believe a connection with no agenda.
1] If anybody, including Sherwood Morrill, can honestly look at the block letter scrawling on the Bates letters and connect that to Zodiac, then they have better eyesight than me.
2] The wording and phrases Mike highlighted earlier in the thread are very good observations, but we have to remember the Zodiac letters were written 2+ years after the Confession letter, so could easily have drawn inspiration from it.
3] Zodiac quoted the Mikado from 1885, Richard Connell’s 1924 short story-The Most Dangerous Game and more importantly stole phrases from William Heirens, the Lipstick Killer (1945/46), and placed them in the Melvin Belli letter on December 20th 1969. Unless we are claiming Zodiac wrote the message on the wall at the murder of Frances Brown on December 10th 1945. Why is it so hard to believe a well read Zodiac simply didn’t incorporate phrases from the Confession letter in similar fashion, in the Little List letter 7 months after the Belli letter. Zodiac often borrowed phrases and words from yesteryear material. I have constantly flipped between Riverside being a Zodiac crime, but it’s certainly not as clear cut as you are portraying.
You are falling into #3 *a contrived theory about the case.
The confession was not connected until later. So to say he copied it sounds simple, but its not, you also need to then believe a long list of improbabilities.
