Whether or not one agrees that Cheri Bates was a Zodiac victim, so much evidence points in that direction that, even at this late date, it would be logical for LE to vigorously pursue this possibility. Z would be in his 60s now (a youngster, by my standards, albeit an incredibly evil one) which doesn’t exactly make him a casket candidate. Presumably, LE occasionally reads over our shoulders. If so, they must be aware that a good deal of serious, almost scholarly work has been produced by members of this and other Zodiac forums. I feel in my bones that if LE contacted Morf re his opinion of likely Z POIs (Yoo hoo, Morf, don’t forget my guy!) they very possibly, given today’s data bases and investigative technology, would nail Z.

Whether or not one agrees that Cheri Bates was a Zodiac victim, so much evidence points in that direction that, even at this late date, it would be logical for LE to vigorously pursue this possibility. Z would be in his 60s now (a youngster, by my standards, albeit an incredibly evil one) which doesn’t exactly make him a casket candidate. Presumably, LE occasionally reads over our shoulders. If so, they must be aware that a good deal of serious, almost scholarly work has been produced by members of this and other Zodiac forums. I feel in my bones that if LE contacted Morf re his opinion of likely Z POIs (Yoo hoo, Morf, don’t forget my guy!) they very possibly, given today’s data bases and investigative technology, would nail Z.

Well, I don’t doubt that most members here know more about the Z case than most of the Cops investigating it today. I think they view the case as a thorn in their sides, and feel it’s a waste of time weeding thru tips, leads,etc. I for one would love to have access to all of their files, evidence,etc, I think there may be some valuable things in there that might link to suspect(s) mentioned on this, and other Z sites. I think there’s a real chance that Zodiac’s true name is mentioned on one of the Zodiac sites. In the end, I really don’t think Cops care much what anybody here thinks or presents, they are just cruising along with the case until somebody else inherits it from them

In case anyone missed it, here is the F from the Desktop and the Berryessa car door.

Anyone who can’t see a similarity gets a F!

In case anyone missed it, here is the F from the Desktop and the Berryessa car door.

Anyone who can’t see a similarity gets a F!

I’m right there with you Brother

It’s not just the overall structure or similarity, but look at the very bottom of both f’s they both have a unique curl to the left. I have ZERO DOUBT, Zodiac wrote that desktop poem, which firmly puts him in the RCC Library circa 1966,IMO

Sure they are similar. No doubt.

Can anyone post the F’s of the many POI’s who who share this same F trait? They can’t all be Zodiac. (not really–don’t need to share)

Thank you, Mr. Averly! Your "F-Connection" has apparently persuaded Morf to join the Bates Camp. Amazing, is it not, that this connection has been overlooked all these years? What might be the next step? Contact RCC Student Records for a list of male RHs attending their college in ’66?

Thank you, Mr. Averly! Your "F-Connection" has apparently persuaded Morf to join the Bates Camp. Amazing, is it not, that this connection has been overlooked all these years? What might be the next step? Contact RCC Student Records for a list of male RHs attending their college in ’66?

Isn’t there already a thread on RH students at RCC? Morf?

Thank you, Mr. Averly! Your "F-Connection" has apparently persuaded Morf to join the Bates Camp. Amazing, is it not, that this connection has been overlooked all these years? What might be the next step? Contact RCC Student Records for a list of male RHs attending their college in ’66?

Isn’t there already a thread on RH students at RCC? Morf?

I have already believed Z made the desktop poem. Between Morrill & Trav’s analysis, I have been sold on Z making that poem for some time. There is a thread in the Suspect section someplace for RH students. I have looked at just about every RH student I could find and have not found a solid one that I could strongly say is a Z candidate. One thing standing in the way is the fact that there is no 1967 RCC yearbook, which technically is for the 66-67 schoolyear when Cheri was going to RCC, so we can’t know for sure what RH students were at RCC at the time, but I have heavily scrutinized every RH from 64-66 yearbooks, and just have not found one that I can say was a strong candidate.

Thank you, Mr. Averly! Your "F-Connection" has apparently persuaded Morf to join the Bates Camp. Amazing, is it not, that this connection has been overlooked all these years? What might be the next step? Contact RCC Student Records for a list of male RHs attending their college in ’66?

Isn’t there already a thread on RH students at RCC? Morf?

I have already believed Z made the desktop poem. Between Morrill & Trav’s analysis, I have been sold on Z making that poem for some time. There is a thread in the Suspect section someplace for RH students. I have looked at just about every RH student I could find and have not found a solid one that I could strongly say is a Z candidate. One thing standing in the way is the fact that there is no 1967 RCC yearbook, which technically is for the 66-67 schoolyear when Cheri was going to RCC, so we can’t know for sure what RH students were at RCC at the time, but I have heavily scrutinized every RH from 64-66 yearbooks, and just have not found one that I can say was a strong candidate.

What about any with just the last initial of "H"…."R" could have been a middle initial used, as in the person that wrote it may have gone by their middle name. It isn’t uncommon, even my brother went by his middle name and when he would initial things it would be his middle and last initials he would write. Any way of finding out if there were any with the last initial "H" and middle initial "R"?

Thank you, Mr. Averly! Your "F-Connection" has apparently persuaded Morf to join the Bates Camp. Amazing, is it not, that this connection has been overlooked all these years? What might be the next step? Contact RCC Student Records for a list of male RHs attending their college in ’66?

Isn’t there already a thread on RH students at RCC? Morf?

I have already believed Z made the desktop poem. Between Morrill & Trav’s analysis, I have been sold on Z making that poem for some time. There is a thread in the Suspect section someplace for RH students. I have looked at just about every RH student I could find and have not found a solid one that I could strongly say is a Z candidate. One thing standing in the way is the fact that there is no 1967 RCC yearbook, which technically is for the 66-67 schoolyear when Cheri was going to RCC, so we can’t know for sure what RH students were at RCC at the time, but I have heavily scrutinized every RH from 64-66 yearbooks, and just have not found one that I can say was a strong candidate.

Maybe we should look at faculty as well if it’s possible. I said it before and still erks me that the janitor that found the desk, his name shows up nowhere.

I also find it odd that a janitor finds Bates’s body and then another janitor finds the desk and obviously both very important components in the case. Maybe LE should have hired them and the case would have been solved.

Serious why do we have to commit to a classmate when the main Zodiac sketch witness by the police was estimated to be 35 to 45 ? Check out teachers, janitors or anybody that had to do with the college regardless of age. As for the janitor that found the desk, I highly doubt his initials was was RH unless he was a brave sob. Why is his name never mentioned in police reports and only mentioned as the janitor ? They mentioned the one that found Bates body and gave his full name. Point being maybe we should not leave any stone unturned and look for anybody associated with RCC at the time at Bates death.

It is good to look for people with the initials RH but what if those are not the initials of the writer and it refers to something else entirely? This has been discussed before. Those initals could mean anything and if not the author’s name, then focusing solely on those initials eliminates oodles of others (one who could be guilty). Ross Sullivan was named by the librarian and she wrote that letter detailing her suspicions but his initals are not "RH."

I would like to see a list of all the classes Cheri was enrolled in. Why couldn’t that have been put out? Then all those enrolled in the same classes could be checked for initials.

Sorry if this is ot but wondering if the desk was ever traced back to the manufacturer and all places it was before being found? Don’t think it was but could have missed this in all the many theories and comments.

It just seems so odd that the poem was written on the underside. That almost narrows it down to someone who would have access with nobody around to see them which may not have been all that difficult depending on the procedures in place there at that time. Were classroom doors locked during any unused periods, for instance? If it was in the music room, students may have had permission to be in the area practicing at odd hours and it would be interesting to examine all the music students for initials, classes (with Cheri especially).

Could that poem have been written at the manufacturing site even before the top was put on the desk? Probably a very far-fetched idea that whomever was responsible for handling the wooden top and attaching it could have written it and put it on upside down and got it transported to the school without anyone noticing but just a thought that crossed my mind thinking how very odd the whole thing is.

I agree, I personally do not solely consider the desk writer’s or Zodiac’s initials to be R.H.

I also think the desk writer could have been faculty, staff, etc at RCC or a student. As far as the Z sketch being aged 35-45, the original description was 25-35. Somebody that was a year or two older than Cheri in High School, would be in his mid 20’s in 1969, and therefore could fit the sketch. Additionally, both Hartnell & Slaight, described a ‘student’s voice’ or ‘in his early 20’s’.

For my money, Zodiac was 22 to 45 in 1969, and his initials may or may not have been R.H.