@traveller1st,

That is possible but then why isn’t it present on all material?

Different Jurisdictions and agencies, different examiners, different tests, purpose and methods, different evidence chains and cataloging methods …. take your pick.

Put it this way. I can’t tell you exactly what the marks denote but I’m reasonably satisfied they are from examiners on LE’s end and given that they appear in conjunction with the ‘encircling’ it’s quite possible they have a cataloging purpose pertaining to prints. I don’t think there’s a ‘mystery’ here. I don’t think Zodiac made them.

If it was that lone ‘R’ on the 340 then perhaps we would be wondering about it but if that was the case it would have wondered about already. Given that the ‘R’ also appears on the pen card in the same place & style along with an encircled area and the signature mark similar to those on the other ciphers then it seems reasonably evident they are LE related.

Put it this way. I can’t tell you exactly what the marks denote but I’m reasonably satisfied they are from examiners on LE’s end and given that they appear in conjunction with the ‘encircling’ it’s quite possible they have a cataloging purpose pertaining to prints. I don’t think there’s a ‘mystery’ here. I don’t think Zodiac made them.

Yes that makes sense, I fully agree now.

Personally,I think the RH may really be the initials of the Author.

I think so too. Allowing the author of the poem would likely have considered as unworthy of concern the remote likelihood of 1) the poem being brought to the attention of someone in authority who might take interest in it, and/or 2) recognize it in connection with the Bates and subsequently zodiac case. Further, were the poem, as it likely was, written on the desk prior to the Bates’ homicide, it would pose no risk at all and but little were it in reference to Domingos/Edwards. In any event, it’s not far-fetched to believe that Zodiac and pre-Zodiac left myriad clues in various places regarding his identity that were not recognized for what they were and resultingly ignored or discarded. Though we really don’t know we can’t omit the desk as being left by Z as a pre-Zodiac clue regarding his identity.

One more question.

If Riverside County is turning up clubs, what is the possibility of expanding the search to adjacent and nearby counties, Orange; Los Angeles; San Diego; et al. Who knows? Maybe the killer was visiting Riverside from out of town for only a few days for some or other reason. It’d be not only a very formidable undertaking, but maybe a fruitful one as well: to bring Orange, Los Angeles, and San Diego county high schools and community colleges under a wider umbrella in pursuit of men with the initials RH and with the task of evaluating them for a possible match with Z.

Sorry if I’m incoherent at this point, typing with one eye shut. Edit: read it again this morning and redid post. Hope it makes some,if only a little sense, now. Thanks.

Personally,I think the RH may really be the initials of the Author.

I think so too. Allowing the author of the poem would likely have considered as unworthy of concern the remote likelihood of 1) the poem being brought to the attention of someone in authority who might take interest in it, and/or 2) recognize it in connection with the Bates and subsequently zodiac case. Further, were the poem, as it likely was, written on the desk prior to the Bates’ homicide, it would pose no risk at all and but little were it in reference to Domingos/Edwards. In any event, it’s not far-fetched to believe that Zodiac and pre-Zodiac left myriad clues in various places regarding his identity that were not recognized for what they were and resultingly ignored or discarded. Though we really don’t know we can’t omit the desk as being left by Z as a pre-Zodiac clue regarding his identity.

One more question.

If Riverside County is turning up clubs, what is the possibility of expanding the search to adjacent and nearby counties, Orange; Los Angeles; San Diego; et al. Who knows? Maybe the killer was visiting Riverside from out of town for only a few days for some or other reason. It’d be not only a very formidable undertaking, but maybe a fruitful one as well: to bring Orange, Los Angeles, and San Diego county high schools and community colleges under a wider umbrella in pursuit of men with the initials RH and with the task of evaluating them for a possible match with Z.

Sorry if I’m incoherent at this point, typing with one eye shut. Edit: read it again this morning and redid post. Hope it makes some,if only a little sense, now. Thanks.

My list of RH Suspects I have looked at extends to different high schools & colleges in Riverside county, as well as neighboring San Bernardino. San Bernardino is close to Riverside, and ‘Zode’ was a Pacific HS student there. Of course, Zode admits he called himself Zodiac in the mid 60’s, so I think it’s very possible Z knew Zode, and stole his ‘character’ to use for his crimes

Hey morf13,

Who is Zode?

Hey morf13,

Who is Zode?

http://zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.p … hilit=zode

Looking at the rh sign off ..could it have first been written as lh and the writer then added the top bit to make it an r ..after realizing he just signed his initials is not a good thing ..vandalizing school property. . And why in lower case for your (initials, name)?. Me I would initial in upper.. Just thinking out loud..

edit: just to add I have always wondered if the capitol R shown clearly on jarlve`s post, if you look closely could it be a COMBINED capital R and lower case h (Rh). Because that’s what Z liked to do, mess with stuff like that.

Just brought myself up to speed on "zode" and the 1964 Romona HS yearbook illustration. Great stuff. Thanks guys. Wow!

please pass comment on my above Rh theory

please pass comment on my above Rh theory

Why? Do you get awfully lonely when you are ignored?

Mr Lowe or is that lowe? Why no uppercase?

Anywho. I know it’s disappointing when people don’t immediately reply to something you post but that is the nature of a forum. People may not necessarily have a reply for you. They may re-read your post at a later time and then reply. It may never get a reply. We would encourage yourself and any member not to ‘ask’ for replies. It’s been found over the years to have a negative and opposite effect.

However, while we’re here.

Could it be an ‘l’? personally I don’t see or we don’t have enough evidence to suggest that. The surface itself is to blame as we can’t be sure how it was responding to the pen and how the pen itself was holding up by that stage. It ‘looks’ to be what it is.

As for why lowercase. I’m almost sure that’s been discussed before. Probably on other boards if not here or as well as here. I don’t think an answer was arrived at but, if memory serves me, one of the hypotheses was that it could have been in keeping with the style of poetry or a style in poetry. I’m not really acquainted enough with such things to offer a qualified opinion but if you look at the poem, with the exception of the very first letter ‘S’ the rest of it is in lowercase including the sign-off so there could be something in that. From a continuity of style perspective it does make sense. Visually to have the poem consist entirely of lowercase characters and then end it with two uppercase characters would be quite jarring and actually isolate those characters. Keeping them lowercase allows them to remain visually connected to the rest of the poem even though not technically part of it.

For myself this makes sense because I do believe that Zodiac was visually aware to a reasonable degree in what he created and there appears to be evidence of that. So I could believe that he deliberately kept those two letters lowercase for a styling/visual purpose.

please pass comment on my above Rh theory

Why? Do you get awfully lonely when you are ignored?

Thanks for the laugh Trav!!! Happy that you cannot claim that line as your own.

I feel like a very naughty boy..

I feel like a very naughty boy..

Not at all. I’ve done worse in my time.

As for why lowercase. I’m almost sure that’s been discussed before. Probably on other boards if not here or as well as here. I don’t think an answer was arrived at but, if memory serves me, one of the hypotheses was that it could have been in keeping with the style of poetry or a style in poetry.

Certainly could be that, yes. Modernist style, more or less, not uncommon to drop the capitals.

If one believes the poem is not about murder, but about suicide, and that the author was actually depressed/contemplating suicide (at least toying with the idea, so to speak), the lower case initials may reflect the author’s sense of self worth (common enough phenomenon, I’m told).

Or it could be, as you suggest yourself, a simple matter of maintaining a certain artistic/visual style throughout: It would indeed look jarring with a pair of capital letters after all those lines beginning with lower case ones.

As for why lowercase. I’m almost sure that’s been discussed before. Probably on other boards if not here or as well as here. I don’t think an answer was arrived at but, if memory serves me, one of the hypotheses was that it could have been in keeping with the style of poetry or a style in poetry.

Certainly could be that, yes. Modernist style, more or less, not uncommon to drop the capitals.

If one believes the poem is not about murder, but about suicide, and that the author was actually depressed/contemplating suicide (at least toying with the idea, so to speak), the lower case initials may reflect the author’s sense of self worth (common enough phenomenon, I’m told).

Or it could be, as you suggest yourself, a simple matter of maintaining a certain artistic/visual style throughout: It would indeed look jarring with a pair of capital letters after all those lines beginning with lower case ones.

We’re assuming that a man wrote the poem. Could have been written by a woman in the 3rd person, esp. if it’s about suicide. Have you checked for women with the initials rh?