It was my original intention when I first started this journey to try and explore from a visual point of view some of the aspects of this case. Bring what little I could offer to the table and from my own skillset and experience in some way maybe help. )

And I think you’ve done more than a little. Your thorough and – in my opinion – brilliant analyses of Z writings (contested or not) are much appreciated. Especially when they contradict my prejudices, I might add.

Thanks Norse.

I’m making up for not being well this last year with a ‘blitz’ style of posting . This desk really is fascinating. Even if all it leads to in the end is a little clarity on why it was thought to be Zodiac. That’s good enough for me.

Here’s another little similarity. To the Marco letter letter this time. The ‘tear-drop’ ‘o’s. Concurrent on the word ‘someone’ both minor variations and the shape are present in the Marco letter. The ‘tear-drop’ and the open top ‘tear-drop’.

Of course you know I am going to jump in with my opinion, and it’s not to piss anyone off (apparently that is inevitable ), but I HAVE to express how I feel….

The i’s. Yes, some are offset. Take anyone and have them hand write a letter and how many times is the dot going to line up perfectly above the "i"? I just glanced at my handwritten phone book and there are just as many lined up as offset. Is that a handwriting trait or normal stuff the majority of us do?

The dot in the "o" I do believe is in the wood, but if not, all the comparisons you provide at first Trav don’t match the other "o’s" at all. Then, the Count Marco letter is used to compare the "o".

It is interesting to look at, but for me it just doesn’t seal the deal. I guess over the years I have seen too many POI’s and their matching handwriting examples with SO many of them looking similar–maybe their psychological dysfunction shows in their similar handwriting traits.

For me, this tends to bolster the case of more than one person involved in the Zodiac case, or it’s a mish-mash of different handwriting from different people.

Example of "i’s" and other letters: viewtopic.php?f=46&t=361 – Manalli

viewtopic.php?f=102&t=250 – Ted K.

–On a side note, in the beginning, I used to be a staunch supporter of the desk poem being written by Zodiac. I defended it. Trying to find my old comments. So, opinions do change–one way or another.

EDIT: Here is my old post (cleaned up a bit via: http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/reply/7 … reply-7610)

Tahoe27 wrote: (2007)

If "she" is sick of living, unwilling to die…why cut yourself? Sounds like a struggle. Maybe HE is sick of living and SHE is unwilling to die.

Did they interview "RH’s" that went to high school with her?

The dot in the "o" I do believe is in the wood, but if not

Which is it?

all the comparisons you provide at first Trav don’t match the other "o’s" at all.

You’ve lost me a bit there. What do you define as not matching? the ‘o’ on the desk to examples of Zodiac’s ‘o’s? If we’re talking about the ‘o’ with the dot then I’m suggesting that what we ‘might’ be seeing is a dot caused in the ‘o’ on the desk as a consequence of how Zodiac finishes some of his o’s. That there is no connecting line from the outer circle of the ‘o’ on the desk to the centre dot may be that the pen cut out during that turn. The examples I have picked are there to show how it ‘might’ have looked had that not occurred. It’s a suggested explanation of the dot as opposed to ‘look these are identical’. Maybe you were thinking in those terms? Maybe my wording made you think in those terms? I apologize.

As for your barely disguised ‘balk’ at the very mention of the Marco letter lol … well I don’t have the luxury of discounting it and I have looked and looked. That in no way means that it’s Zodiac but since all I am doing here is ‘exploring’ what qualified these things to ever be connected in the first place I don’t think the comparison of the ‘o’s from it is unreasonable. It’s actually entirely relevant.

I know what you’re saying about mish-mashes and so on. I’ve thought that myself at times and I’m not any clearer on it to be honest. That’s why I’m working through each little part. To try and see if the threads can be untangled to whatever conclusion.

–On a side note, in the beginning, I used to be a staunch supporter of the desk poem being written by Zodiac. I defended it. Trying to find my old comments. So, opinions do change–one way or another.

They do and maybe I’ll be in the same position one day. I’m tempted many, many times to try the ‘interpretation’ thing with the poem itself. Maybe I have, I can’t remember. It’s a bit of a minefield though. I’d rather just be boring and explore everything really slowly and then step back and go at it again. Trying to see what connects these things and then I can start to accommodate information like, what if they aren’t really connected lol.

I’m wondering what happened though T. Do you perhaps need to talk about it? You and the desk seemed to be so close once but now you barely speak to each other. Just concerned is all.

Trav–

I meant that in your first example of "o’s" where you show the dot, all the other "o’s" in the poem don’t look like those of the Zodiac samples provided. Only the possibility of the dotted one where you mentioned, "maybe the pen cut out."

Experts disagreed so I don’t think we’ll ever come to a consensus unless the person who wrote that poem steps forward. I won’t hold my breath.

Trav–

I meant that in your first example of "o’s" where you show the dot, all the other "o’s" in the poem don’t look like those of the Zodiac samples provided. Only the possibility of the dotted one where you mentioned, "maybe the pen cut out."

Experts disagreed so I don’t think we’ll ever come to a consensus unless the person who wrote that poem steps forward. I won’t hold my breath.

Ahh gotcha now. That’s what I didn’t catch – that ‘other’ o’s meant the other o’s in the poem. Too many o’s not enough brain cells.

Those are just the examples where Z’s o’s contain that ‘finishing off’ stroke. There are plenty of others where he doesn’t do that or he does it to a much less of an angle. Matching o’s though is a bit of a pointless exercise. That’s why I was focusing on ones that were different in some way rather than just being a circle.

I’m wondering what happened though T. Do you perhaps need to talk about it? You and the desk seemed to be so close once but now you barely speak to each other. Just concerned is all.

Too many years of seeing whacky people with the same freaky behavior and writing style.

When we look at it with Zodiac on the brain, we tend to see Zodiac, or even Cheri’s killer. The desk decided to tell me I was only noticing the similarities and disregarding the things not so similar…so I put it out to pasture. Maybe one day I’ll let it back in the herd.

Too many years of seeing whacky people with the same freaky behavior and writing style.

I take it that’s POI’s and not posters.

^^^Those too.

Sorry if this was posted somewhere else…just came across it and I didn’t recall having seen it:

Here’s a thought that might have been thunk: How about comparing the desktop poem with Zero’ first known letter or piece of writing? Like so: a line of the poem, underneath which is placed matching individual letters from Z’s known hand-printing; repeat, line by line. Then place the desktop poem and the constructed poem side by side. This way, individual letters could be compared, as well as the overall appearances of the poem/reconstructed poem.

Here’s a thought that might have been thunk: How about comparing the desktop poem with Zero’ first known letter or piece of writing? Like so: a line of the poem, underneath which is placed matching individual letters from Z’s known hand-printing; repeat, line by line. Then place the desktop poem and the constructed poem side by side. This way, individual letters could be compared, as well as the overall appearances of the poem/reconstructed poem.

Started a few days ago. It’s gonna take a while. I’m attempting a re-look at the poem. I will be, at some point looking at my original work and reconstructing it in more succinct fashion. At this stage I am going through each and every individual letter in the poem and comparing it to every occurrence in the ‘accepted’ Zodiac mailings. Even at this early stage it’s proving a very interesting exercise. It has, as it usually does, led to seeing things in the mailings themselves that clarify, for me, why they were suspected/accepted. Things I hadn’t previously noted. It’s also making it more transparent as to the variations Z employed with certain characters although that will probably be a later stage derivative of the process.

It’s looking very interesting.

Looking forward to your findings Trav

This came up in Psychology class…it just struck me.

"Unwilling to die"