I appreciate Trav’s time and effort with this…I truly do. I just see it as an example of the writing does NOT look alike.

**Zodiac had sort of a hook to his "g". This writer’s "g" goes straight down.

**The "f" in the poem is quite rounded and does not look like the examples of Zodiac’s.

**The "m" in "time" at the bottom…completely different.

**The "k" is not similar

**Rounded "S’s"

**Not one looped "d"

**The "f" in the poem is quite rounded and does not look like the examples of Zodiac’s.

I will try to find one letter at a time, starting with the F, compare this one from the desktop, against Zodiac’s on Hartnell’s car door. I am not trying to convince you(because I know I cant)but they are more similar than you seem to indicate

Also, I think, we have to expect the writing to slightly change since the desktop writer is etching/digging the pen into a soft wood desk as opposed to writing on flat paper, as wel las one is a ball point pen, and the other a felt tip

Next up, letter J from Zodiac’s BELLI letter compared to the J from the desk:

Using the word ‘WILL’, the left is from the desktop, and the one on the right from Z, if we could stand that up a little and not slant it so much….The one below, I took the ‘lean’ out of it a bit

Will try to add more of these later

Some more comparisons… Again, assuming that writing on paper (sometimes in felt tip pen no less)is going to give a slightly different appearance than writing/etching on wood, we have to assume that there is going to be a slight variation, but overall, everything is similar.

TH from the desktop, comapred to TH from zodiac

A comparison of lower case n from desktop to Zodiac’s lower case n-

Comparison of letter h from Zodiac, against letter h’s from desktop-

The word, CUT from Zodiac, and the desktop, note the circular dot on top of the i in both-

The letters ‘BL’ from zodiac, against ‘BL’ from the desktop-

The Capital S from both Zodiac, and the desktop-

‘TILL’ from both Z & the desktop-

The word, ‘NEXT’ from both Z & the desktop-

Lastly(for now),using the same word, ‘NEXT’ from the desktop-

Look how the desktop writer has a long underline on the bottom of the e. I think Zodiac also did this in a couple of his letters, will go back and check which ones

Am wondering if this poem has ever been analyzed by an English professor or an expert in poetry? The take from a real expert in these fields would be interesting.

I don’t think a real expert in the field could provide anything definite – that pretty much goes with the territory. But I do think such an expert would agree that the poem, regarded as such, is probably written by someone with – let’s say – a working knowledge of more or less modern(ist) poetry (a broad enough concept, to be sure). Someone who has read a poem or two in a similar vein and who is trying (not very successfully) to emulate a certain style.

That would be my take on it, anyway. I’m no professor, but I have dabbled a bit in the field.

For my money it was written by someone who was familiar with the form(alities) of a certain kind of (modern) poetry. It doesn’t narrow it down much. But it suggests, in my opinion, an author who was into poetry to some degree – more than the average person.

Odd question here, but are there any details in the case that have not been released, such as any marks on CJB’s body? Or anything else that was carved or written on the desk that has been blocked or withheld for some reason? Or would anyone on here even know if there had been?

You have the Killer’s hair recovered from under her fingernails…

Odd question here, but are there any details in the case that have not been released, such as any marks on CJB’s body? Or anything else that was carved or written on the desk that has been blocked or withheld for some reason? Or would anyone on here even know if there had been?

So….has this been asked about this case? I know they typically hold something back but Z has to be dead and gone at this point. Is anyone in the know as far as any evidence being held back?

Odd question here, but are there any details in the case that have not been released, such as any marks on CJB’s body? Or anything else that was carved or written on the desk that has been blocked or withheld for some reason? Or would anyone on here even know if there had been?

So….has this been asked about this case? I know they typically hold something back but Z has to be dead and gone at this point. Is anyone in the know as far as any evidence being held back?

Since there is access to Cheri’s autopsy report, I don’t think so. As far as her condition anyway.

Here’s Cheri Jo’s autopsy report.

http://www.thezodiacmansonconnection.com/autop_bates_1.htm l”> http://web.archive.org/web/200810121739 … tes_1.html

The picture that was in Argosy magazine did show the complete desk poem. It is the first post here-

viewtopic.php?f=80&t=18

These two things, I believe, are complete with no details held back.

Much appreciated! I am just wondering if there was anything else on that desktop or desk itself or CJB’s body that is being withheld for them to be able to identify the actual killer should they come forward by being able to identify a particular piece of the case that has not been released to the public. I know it is common for them to do this, but is there any way to find out if it was done with this case?

My questioning is more so geared toward the "rh" initials on the desk and what they may be referring to besides a persons actual initials.

My questioning is more so geared toward the "rh" initials on the desk and what they may be referring to besides a persons actual initials.

If not someone’s initials, then it could pretty much be anything at all. Might be fun to speculate, but doubtful it will lead anywhere.

Did the FBI ever do a handwriting comparison for the desk poem and the Zodiac Killer and/or the writer of the ‘Bates Had’ to Die letters?

My questioning is more so geared toward the "rh" initials on the desk and what they may be referring to besides a persons actual initials.

If not someone’s initials, then it could pretty much be anything at all. Might be fun to speculate, but doubtful it will lead anywhere.

I am still a firm believer that the symbols used in the ciphers relate to brands and mining symbols from the day. "rh" in the ranching world is code for where the brand is placed, meaning right hip. This is why I am wondering if anything was withheld in the case like say a mark or symbol that was either on CJB’s body or the desk itself. While it may sound way out there, I haven’t really seen anything that fits at this point. Though as a side note, it happens to also be the middle and last initial of someone I have been doing a little research on.

Did the FBI ever do a handwriting comparison for the desk poem and the Zodiac Killer and/or the writer of the ‘Bates Had’ to Die letters?

http://www.zodiackillersite.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=90

You have the Killer’s hair recovered from under her fingernails…

Was that actually confirmed? I always thought it was a strong possibility that it was not the killer’s hair. If it were the killer’s, then that would mean there was some sort of a struggle. Maybe the killer tried to rape her or something along those lines. I just don’t see how Zodiac (if this was his work) could be so careless as to leave hair behind. The watch on the other hand, I believe was left intentionally.