I think it’s strange a watch was left and that in the confession letter the killer said he told Cheri "It’s time" and she responded "time for what?" And he responded "time to die". Time, watch, get it?

He said he spent much time with her body after. I’m convinced the watch was an intentionally planted taunt and would later come to represent him in some way.

He says "Bates had to die" as if to say it was her time to go.

I think it’s strange a watch was left and that in the confession letter the killer said he told Cheri "It’s time" and she responded "time for what?" And he responded "time to die". Time, watch, get it?

He said he spent much time with her body after. I’m convinced the watch was an intentionally planted taunt and would later come to represent him in some way.

He says "Bates had to die" as if to say it was her time to go.

Hey pinkphantom im missing a bit .. Can you explain the "he said he spent much time with her body after"
Who said and in what letter and what context? I’m lost.

Well I didn’t mean he said he "spent time with her body" word for word, but that he lingered around. I checked the letters and now am seeing that it isn’t mentioned in them though an assertion made by another user on a thread said he mentioned having stayed for 30-60 minutes after the crime may have thrown me off. Must have gotten confused as I can’t source it now. Could have swore I saw it written in a letter how strange. My apologies. Maybe I’ll be able to source the info again.

At any rate I do believe the watch was the killers calling card.

Well I didn’t mean he said he "spent time with her body" word for word, but that he lingered around. I checked the letters and now am seeing that it isn’t mentioned in them though an assertion made by another user on a thread said he mentioned having stayed for 30-60 minutes after the crime may have thrown me off. Must have gotten confused as I can’t source it now. Could have swore I saw it written in a letter how strange. My apologies. Maybe I’ll be able to source the info again.

At any rate I do believe the watch was the killers calling card.

Never heard anything about the killer "hanging around." I also don’t really think the watch is any kind of calling card. The watch band was broken, presumably during the struggle.

Well that’s your opinion (about the watch) and you are entitled to it. And again sorry for misunderstanding something. Surely no one is 100% correct all of the time, certainly not me. I’m no authority on Zodiac, but I’m going to just say out right in the open once and leave it here: Ross did it and whoever else is trying to discount that in an effort to be right about their suspect is mistaken and blinded by wanting to be right. Not seeking to put a feather in my hat. I’ve looked at the case for years and every single suspect sure has ties to Aspects of Z, but Ross is a dead ringer from a psychological perspective of the type of person Z likely was in every day life. He was implicated by people at the scene. The handwriting is right on and physical description comparable. Geographic locations right on and timeline. I think many are chasing down old leads when the suspect has recently been dropped into our laps. I think it’s rather humorous that many change their opinion as to whether or not CJB was a Z victim based upon their POI. I’ve always felt Z killed Cheri… It’s too obvious. The police know it and RPD screwed it up. End of story. Peace.

And p.s. In the letter he said she put up no struggle and went to the slaughter like a lamb. How does it break during a struggle if she put up no struggle?

He lied. There was an obvious struggle. Cheri’s wounds, the churned up ground, the watch.

So either the letter writer didn’t know there was a struggle, or her killer lied.

The watch, in regards to Ross, needs to be taken into consideration if you think Ross killed Cheri. Big man, little wrist.

Also the Z symbol is simple Imo – it is a Z made to look like a Scorpions tail or even a snake. The scorpions tail/snakes head is at the top. Cheri was murdered during the sign of Scorpio. It’s his own makeshift rune representing his initial as a scorpions tail/snake representing Scorpio (scorpio is not limited to a scorpion). .

Yes but hey if i were known as a big guy and wanted to throw off investigators I would probably leave something at the scene that would make it seem as if the killer were very thin. (Not sure about how wide Ross’s wrists were so we can’t say whether or not it jives. His hands look mighty small in the photos though).

Well that’s your opinion (about the watch) and you are entitled to it. And again sorry for misunderstanding something. Surely no one is 100% correct all of the time, certainly not me. I’m no authority on Zodiac, but I’m going to just say out right in the open once and leave it here: Ross did it and whoever else is trying to discount that in an effort to be right about their suspect is mistaken and blinded by wanting to be right. Not seeking to put a feather in my hat. I’ve looked at the case for years and every single suspect sure has ties to Aspects of Z, but Ross is a dead ringer from a psychological perspective of the type of person Z likely was in every day life. He was implicated by people at the scene. The handwriting is right on and physical description comparable. Geographic locations right on and timeline. I think many are chasing down old leads when the suspect has recently been dropped into our laps. I think it’s rather humorous that many change their opinion as to whether or not CJB was a Z victim based upon their POI. I’ve always felt Z killed Cheri… It’s too obvious. The police know it and RPD screwed it up. End of story. Peace.

Oh, that’s such BS. There is not one speck of evidence that shows that Ross Sullivan was within a 1000 miles of RCC that night.

Except that he worked there and potentially could have been in the area lol is there a speck of evidence potentially putting any of the other suspects within 1000 yards of RCC library the day?

Ross was the most probable person to be on campus that late at night around/in the library out of all the suspects. Probability.

Well that’s your opinion (about the watch) and you are entitled to it. And again sorry for misunderstanding something. Surely no one is 100% correct all of the time, certainly not me. I’m no authority on Zodiac, but I’m going to just say out right in the open once and leave it here: Ross did it and whoever else is trying to discount that in an effort to be right about their suspect is mistaken and blinded by wanting to be right. Not seeking to put a feather in my hat. I’ve looked at the case for years and every single suspect sure has ties to Aspects of Z, but Ross is a dead ringer from a psychological perspective of the type of person Z likely was in every day life. He was implicated by people at the scene. The handwriting is right on and physical description comparable. Geographic locations right on and timeline. I think many are chasing down old leads when the suspect has recently been dropped into our laps. I think it’s rather humorous that many change their opinion as to whether or not CJB was a Z victim based upon their POI. I’ve always felt Z killed Cheri… It’s too obvious. The police know it and RPD screwed it up. End of story. Peace.

Oh, that’s such BS. There is not one speck of evidence that shows that Ross Sullivan was within a 1000 miles of RCC that night.

Yah…you have the right to your beliefs PP, but any other with a POI would tell you the same thing.

it is very reasonable to suspect Ross..Ross can be tied directly to that campus…no other POI can and yes I have some doubt about placing Ross as 1 of the major POI’s..I consider Ross just a slight notch below…from my memory in regards to the watch I have held the belief for a long time a female was near that crime scene and was accompanied by the killer..falling over the theoretical cliff here it would explain why CJB walked into a dark alley with the killer irregardless of the argument that she and the killer had some type of known relationship be it personal or one sided as in the killer had the love crush and she did not..

at our house with the whole time change dillio..mom and dad set 1 alarm clock back and dad usually never went to be before 1:00am..i am kinda in the camp the killer an CJB did chat for some time before he lost it over the rejection..the best POI for CJB is the ex boyfriend unless somebody comes forward and can inform us that ROSS had some deep gut feelings for her..I wonder if she felt sorry for ross..young chicks seem to gravitate towards other kids who have had a troubled childhood but a young women usually only will befriend another female in this case

And p.s. In the letter he said she put up no struggle and went to the slaughter like a lamb. How does it break during a struggle if she put up no struggle?

P.S., There was obviously a struggle. There’s actually evidence that points to that, which has nothing to do with my "opinion". I’m happy for you that you have latched onto someone that you believe is both Bates’ killer and the Zodiac. I like Ross as a POI as well, but there are a few things that don’t quite jive… 1) weight estimates are off, 2) the watch, if it in fact does belong to the killer, likely would not fit Ross’ wrist, 3) we have no idea of Ross’ whereabouts during the Bates murder or the Z spree, 4) the handwriting that you think is an exact match… isn’t. There is no way anyone should take a grainy, 10th generation copy of a SS application, that was filled out by a then 17 year old, and claim it’s an exact match to anything. Did you happen to notice that the "t" is unlike any "t" Zodiac ever wrote? How about the "N"? Care to show me one that looks like it?

Don’t get me wrong. There are some handwriting similarities (just like every other POI), likeness to the sketch (like a shit ton of guys during the 60’s), some mental issues, and some finger pointing by the RCC library staff. I’m just not ready to jump on the Ross bandwagon without something more. Theory only goes so far.

There are some handwriting similarities (just like every other POI), likeness to the sketch (like a shit ton of guys during the 60’s),

significantly better match to the PH sketch than any other known suspect, to be fair.