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Zamantha
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A report on the July 4th Parade in Vallejo, CA
And the possible symbolism of the buton.

Report by Ricardo & Zamantha & Letter added by Tom V.
On:
http://mk-zodiac.com/070469
Under: Did you go to the July 4th Parade, Vallejo 1969

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Posted : November 4, 2013 4:16 am
Tahoe27
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Thanks for the link and sharing the button. Thanks to Ricardo as well.


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : November 4, 2013 6:49 am
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Thanks for the report. Nice Button! The timing is certainly interesting. The posters are also an intriguing bit of zynchronicity.

 
Posted : November 4, 2013 8:32 am
traveller1st
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Very interesting. Thankyou Zam and Ricardo.

Quite cerous that bit about the feroceus lion. ;)


I don’t know Chief, he’s very smart or very dumb.

 
Posted : November 4, 2013 12:22 pm
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Fabulous work, Zam (and Ricardo)! I’m not sure what to think about the button idea but the maps and time line are fantastic and honestly made me reconsider the possibility of Darlene being specifically targeted. Out of curiosity, how long would the route from Darlene’s house to BRS generally take? It’s a bit eerie to follow her inadvertent route to her own demise.

 
Posted : November 4, 2013 1:32 pm
morf13
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About to read the report now,before I do,I know Ricardo was looking for more info on this button. Did you guys try this?
Contact Information
Contact: Vallejo Parade Association
Phone: 707-644-5551
Address: 427 York Street
City: Vallejo
State: CA
Zip Code: 94590
Web Address: www.vallejojuly4.com

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Posted : November 4, 2013 6:37 pm
ace ventura
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I remember that July 4 of 69 was to be a special day /weekend for adults . I had a year older best friend then and he and his friends talked about it at least a week before. They were supposed to do do something wild ,crazy as it was the end of the 60’s, like it was a national movement . His parents were younger and had a clothing optional party – (and more I heard later) that my parents were invited to . A lot of kids were being sent away to relatives that weekend . My sister had baby set occasionally and was offered three times her usual that weekend . any body else remember it that way ?

 
Posted : November 4, 2013 6:48 pm
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Wow,really good work Ricardo & Zam. Alot to think about,and some real interesting possibilities for sure. Hope you get some leads.

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Posted : November 4, 2013 7:13 pm
morf13
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About to read the report now,before I do,I know Ricardo was looking for more info on this button. Did you guys try this?
Contact Information
Contact: Vallejo Parade Association
Phone: 707-644-5551
Address: 427 York Street
City: Vallejo
State: CA
Zip Code: 94590
Web Address: http://www.vallejojuly4.com

Ricardo & Zam, I spoke to somebody at the 4th of july group, and will PM you info

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Posted : November 4, 2013 10:10 pm
Zamantha
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About to read the report now,before I do,I know Ricardo was looking for more info on this button. Did you guys try this?
Contact Information
Contact: Vallejo Parade Association
Phone: 707-644-5551
Address: 427 York Street
City: Vallejo
State: CA
Zip Code: 94590
Web Address: http://www.vallejojuly4.com

Ricardo & Zam, I spoke to somebody at the 4th of july group, and will PM you info

Thank you, Morf! All information is appreciated. Preliminary Report, which we can always add to.

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Posted : November 4, 2013 10:19 pm
Tahoe27
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I’m also curious as to the source of the information. There is so much detail.

I don’t think you need to name names necessarily, but how did you come to find out there was a sign that read "dangerous animal", etc? Was there a photograph, or something, or is this just coming from word of mouth?

i think it important to know so we know if this is factual, ya know?


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : November 4, 2013 11:15 pm
morf13
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I have to go back thru my records, but I think the classmate of Cheri Bates that was living in Vallejo during the Z crimes, married a woman who was a school teacher. I think she was a nursery school teacher but can’t remember.

Why don’t you guys contact the school, or the library, and see if they had any type of yearbook for that nursery school

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Posted : November 5, 2013 12:05 am
Tahoe27
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I have to go back thru my records, but I think the classmate of Cheri Bates that was living in Vallejo during the Z crimes, married a woman who was a school teacher. I think she was a nursery school teacher but can’t remember.

Why don’t you guys contact the school, or the library, and see if they had any type of yearbook for that nursery school

A nursery school yearbook? That’d be a first for me. :)

I did find a lady with who worked at a "Castlewood Pre-School" through the Castlewood Baptist Church – just around the corner from where Betty Lou lived. Says she went there for 40 years. (you’d like the front of the church—it’s on Georgia St….probably didn’t look like that then). Her name was Alice Zachary – husband Harl E. (lol)

They lived in a house just down the road from both crime scenes just off Columbus Pkwy. Looks like they were at that particular house in ’74 when they opened their painting business…the house was built in ’68, so they may have lived in it then as well. If so, right in their backyard…bet they remembered the case well.

Ok…NOT saying either of the Zacharys were Zodiac, just that they were in the area and she was apparently involved with the pre-school/nursery (if the same one). The have both since passed, but I have their daughters info and might ask her if she knows anything about the school. Why not aye?


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : November 5, 2013 12:29 am
smithy
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Tahoe… "Aye..?" :lol:

It’s a nice report, this, and gives some good insight into the goings-on in Vallejo around the July 4th celebration, and Darlene’s part in it (potentially, if not proven).

I’m not sure about the ferocious tiger stuff, personally, but It certainly seems like the continued references to "buttons" in the 1970 letters:
April 28th 1970 "I would like to see some nice Zodiac butons wandering about town"
June 26th 1970 "They have not complied with my wishes for them to wear some nice [zodiac sign] buttons"
July 24th 1970 "I am rather unhappy because you people will not wear some nice buttons" and that perennial favourite:-
July 26th 1970 "Being that you will not wear some nice buttons, how about wearing some nasty buttons. Or any type of buttons that you can think up. If you do not wear any type of buttons, I shall ….."

….Well, they had to be inspired by something. Could it have been from this Vallejo connection? This competition? Why not? Right time of year…..
Which perhaps says a lot about the letters, where the writer was from, all that stuff. Very interesting!

 
Posted : November 5, 2013 2:25 am
Tahoe27
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…I’m not sure about the ferocious tiger stuff..

The "dangerous animal" is interesting considering timing…imo. Weird thing for a nursery school though. I would like to see photos of that!


…they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs–other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac’s doorstep. L.A. Times, 1969

 
Posted : November 5, 2013 4:18 am
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