It does ring a bell, Talon.

I don’t have the BRS report in front of me, so I don’t remember the name, but according to said report a witness did hear the shots and made a point of mentioning how they were more distinct than the sound of firecrackers (which the witness also heard, prior to the shooting).

Michael M says that Z fired one shot initially, then several followed, then yet another series of shots were fired. This sequence is precisely what the witness describes too, so there’s little doubt he or she heard the shots fired by Z. Conclusion: It seems impossible that Z used a silencer, as the sound of a silenced weapon simply would not have been audible to this witness (and certainly not louder than the firecrackers).

EDIT

The witness’ name was George Bryant.

Yeah, George was hundreds of yards from the Shooting, no silencer for sure

And yet on p.9 of the report ,Mageau states he heard muffled shots ,like gun with a silencer on it . he also states when Z came back to shoot him again all the shots were muffled like it had a silencer on it.
it could have been a suppressor not a silencer but I don’t see how you can void Mageau’s statement
A 9mm sounds nothing like firecrackers it’s a Kaaapowww compaired to a pop
I hate to admit it but I have come to be an expert on how far gunshots carry especially while laying in bed at night ( it’s where I live ) heard 5-6 shots a night or two ago 6 blocks away and could have heard them 10 -12 blocks too

Maybe he fire thru something like canvas or tennis ball…could have any thing… well I guess this would only work for close up action….correcting my self as I go……could have been a home made silencer that worked just enough to meet his needs.

Here’s the thing how does anyone know if Mike was correct in the time Zodiac left and came back.Mike said 5 to 10 minutes hell it could have been just a minute or two.I believe Zodiac just turned out to pull in a different way so that he could be right behind Darlene and Mike so that they wont back out like what possibly had happened at Lake Herman? I also believe that Z was ready to rock when he pulled in the frist time but I don’t know what happened.Mike did say Z was sitting there for a little while he might have been pondering if he wanted to attack that night or not.

Here’s the thing how does anyone know if Mike was correct in the time Zodiac left and came back.Mike said 5 to 10 minutes hell it could have been just a minute or two.I believe Zodiac just turned out to pull in a different way so that he could be right behind Darlene and Mike so that they wont back out like what possibly had happened at Lake Herman? I also believe that Z was ready to rock when he pulled in the frist time but I don’t know what happened.Mike did say Z was sitting there for a little while he might have been pondering if he wanted to attack that night or not.

He pulled back around, and was essentially facing the same way he originally was(assuming he was the 1st car that was there)

I posted the George Bryant piece by MB on page 2 of this thread btw.

So you did! Shows how attentive I am.

But, yes – George B clearly states that he heard what sounded like a gunshot (as distinct from the sound of firecrackers), and what Butterfield argues in his piece as such seems very logical to me.

This is the actual report, BTW, for those interested:

http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR15.html

In Corpus Christi, two holiday dates were analyzed, that of January 1st 2012 and July 4th 2012, when fireworks were most prevalent. Of the 625 emergency 911 calls received that year, concerning gunshots fired, 379 were reported on these two dates alone, suggesting a significant proportion of the general public mistook fireworks for gunshots. The following video demonstrates the sound of firecrackers and gunshots and shows that over as little as 30 yards, the sounds become more indistinguishable. The greater the distance, the harder they are to tell apart. George Bryant was 800 feet from the parking lot of Blue Rock Springs. They become even harder to tell apart from within the confines of a building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYqPAkCZfiI

I think its very possible that Darlene had planned to meet someone at BRS that night. For what reason, I don’t know. Drug deal, break off a romance or whatever. I think she decided it might be a good idea to bring MM along as backup. She could have even suggested he wear multiple layers of clothes in order to look bigger.
This person (z?) arrives and checks the car only to find
Mike in the passenger seat. This kinda causes a temporary rethink of his plan so he leaves. But decides to hit them both. Possibly the initial plan was not to kill but when he realized Darlene had brought Mike this pushed him over the edge. Why did he go to Mikes side of the car to start shooting?
Just thoughts, as I’m fairly convinced Darlene knew the guy who killed her.

I think its very possible that Darlene had planned to meet someone at BRS that night. For what reason, I don’t know. Drug deal, break off a romance or whatever. I think she decided it might be a good idea to bring MM along as backup. She could have even suggested he wear multiple layers of clothes in order to look bigger.
This person (z?) arrives and checks the car only to find
Mike in the passenger seat. This kinda causes a temporary rethink of his plan so he leaves. But decides to hit them both. Possibly the initial plan was not to kill but when he realized Darlene had brought Mike this pushed him over the edge. Why did he go to Mikes side of the car to start shooting?
Just thoughts, as I’m fairly convinced Darlene knew the guy who killed her.

Or was it Mike who knew the killer?

She called Mike to go along with her (temporarily) as she and her husband were throwing a party–her babysitter was waiting for her return.

It would appear she called Mike because he knew what to get whatever it was they were in need of.

Mike later blamed himself for his part in her death.

And as you state, the killer went to Mike’s side of the car. If Darlene was an absolute target and one hate-worthy of her kill, he would have focused his rage on her. If I’m not mistaken, the bullet that killed Darlene passed through Mike—that could be myth, but even so, there didn’t seem anymore focus on Darlene. She too was alive when he left.

Perhaps he selected Mikes side because he figured he had a better chance if he got rid of the male first. (No discriminatory inference intended)! I don’t really see where one side or the other offers a particular advantage – disgustingly, like shooting fish in a barrel…

Perhaps he selected Mikes side because he figured he had a better chance if he got rid of the male first. (No discriminatory inference intended)! I don’t really see where one side or the other offers a particular advantage – disgustingly, like shooting fish in a barrel…

I agree, but I also think if he had a personal vendetta it would have shown and I don’t necessarily see one over the other. Could be Zodiac did know one of them, but wanted them both equally dead.

After watching the movie Zodiac, from 2007, I have had a question about the car pulling into the lot and then leaving and coming back. I get the idea that the guy was looking for Darlene Ferrin. I think when he found her, he went ballistic. He was enraged and wanted blood. Scorned lovers are a very dangerous sort. Crimes of passion are usually looked at differently than other killings, because of the state of mind of the culprit. I think he was stalking the girl.

In Corpus Christi, two holiday dates were analyzed, that of January 1st 2012 and July 4th 2012, when fireworks were most prevalent. Of the 625 emergency 911 calls received that year, concerning gunshots fired, 379 were reported on these two dates alone, suggesting a significant proportion of the general public mistook fireworks for gunshots. The following video demonstrates the sound of firecrackers and gunshots and shows that over as little as 30 yards, the sounds become more indistinguishable. The greater the distance, the harder they are to tell apart. George Bryant was 800 feet from the parking lot of Blue Rock Springs. They become even harder to tell apart from within the confines of a building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYqPAkCZfiI

Well, he seems sure himself that what he heard were gunshots and not fireworks (which he also heard, separately).

Besides, as mentioned above, the sequence of the noises he heard is identical to the one described by Mageau. That seems beyond a coincidence if you ask me.

After watching the movie Zodiac, from 2007, I have had a question about the car pulling into the lot and then leaving and coming back. I get the idea that the guy was looking for Darlene Ferrin. I think when he found her, he went ballistic. He was enraged and wanted blood. Scorned lovers are a very dangerous sort. Crimes of passion are usually looked at differently than other killings, because of the state of mind of the culprit. I think he was stalking the girl.

Was Betty Lou because of a scorned lover? Was Cecelia? Was Paul?

All of these victims were equally attacked…some died, some didn’t.